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Do Democrats think all religious views must be subjected to leftist secularist approval?

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marke said:
It seems modern leftist Americans have no mercy on Christians who stand against homosexuality because God opposes sodomy. Should the state allow those Christians to be destroyed by the wicked for refusing to compromise their beliefs in the face of growing hostility against Christian beliefs?

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You want to live in a theocracy, move somewhere else.
 
beefheart said:
You want to live in a theocracy, move somewhere else.
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You think a country which protects the rights of Christians to freely exercise their religious views is some sort of bad theocracy? No wonder democrats hate Trump and his supporters.
 
marke said:
You think a country which protects the rights of Christians to freely exercise their religious views is some sort of bad theocracy? No wonder democrats hate Trump and his supporters.
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What a stupid post.

I am for freedom of religion, and freedom from religion, and a clear separation of church and state. No one is keeping you from your religious practices.
 
beefheart said:
What a stupid post.

I am for freedom of religion, and freedom from religion, and a clear separation of church and state. No one is keeping you from your religious practices.
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How do you feel about homosexual persecution of Christians?
 
marke said:
It seems modern leftist Americans have no mercy on Christians who stand against homosexuality because God opposes sodomy. Should the state allow those Christians to be destroyed by the wicked for refusing to compromise their beliefs in the face of growing hostility against Christian beliefs?
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The law has nothing to do with Christianity. Or do you think an non-Christian photographer with an equally strong moral objection to same-sex marriage should still be forced to take the pictures?

The situation is simple; The law prevents anyone from discriminating on a range of grounds, including race, religion, gender and sexual orientation. Why they’re discriminating is irrelevant. The only rational objection would be against those laws in their entirety. You can’t say “You can’t discriminate against me but I can discriminate against you”. It’s an all or nothing so if you’re arguing for the right of Christians to stand against homosexuality, you’re also arguing for the right of people to stand against religion, racial-equality and gender-equality.

Unless, of course, you think Christians should get special protections, in which case why not go all out and campaign for a theocracy?
 
marke said:
How do you feel about homosexual persecution of Christians?
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How do you feel about meaningless hyperbolic trolling statements?
 
HonestJoe said:
The law has nothing to do with Christianity. Or do you think an non-Christian photographer with an equally strong moral objection to same-sex marriage should still be forced to take the pictures?
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Yes
The situation is simple; The law prevents anyone from discriminating on a range of grounds, including race, religion, gender and sexual orientation. Why they’re discriminating is irrelevant. The only rational objection would be against those laws in their entirety. You can’t say “You can’t discriminate against me but I can discriminate against you”. It’s an all or nothing so if you’re arguing for the right of Christians to stand against homosexuality, you’re also arguing for the right of people to stand against religion, racial-equality and gender-equality.
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Homosexuality is a lifestyle behavior and not an immutable characteristic. It is not characteristic of equality to force people to provide you services. If people are equals then either party has a right to deny service.
Unless, of course, you think Christians should get special protections, in which case why not go all out and campaign for a theocracy?
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The problem is, the far left will never let anyone but the Muslims have a theocracy. A Jewish homeland was created and look at how the leftists treat them.
 
marke said:
It seems modern leftist Americans have no mercy on Christians who stand against homosexuality because God opposes sodomy. Should the state allow those Christians to be destroyed by the wicked for refusing to compromise their beliefs in the face of growing hostility against Christian beliefs?



Govt punishment of NM photographer stands, compelled speech problem unresolved…for now
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Despite your wishes, the USA is not going to become a theocracy (Christian or otherwise).

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ttwtt78640 said:
Despite your wishes, the USA is not going to become a theocracy (Christian or otherwise).

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Well that’s not true. Leftism is a religion in all but name and we’re rapidly becoming a theocratic state to this leftist religion
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Well that’s not true. Leftism is a religion in all but name and we’re rapidly becoming a theocratic state to this leftist religion
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Hyperbolic nonsense.
 
beefheart said:
Hyperbolic nonsense.
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Yes it is.

It has sacramental practices like reducing carbon footprint, which is done for the grace of mother Gaia, it has Saints like Harvey Milk and FDR, a full liturgical calendar like black history month and pride month, it has shunning and ostracization of apostates (cancel culture) and infallible moral teachings like banning guns or jacking up the minimum wage
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Well that’s not true. Leftism is a religion in all but name and we’re rapidly becoming a theocratic state to this leftist religion
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Rest assured that "leftism" was not responsible for prohibition, slavery or Jim Crow laws. That fact that my girlfriend and I "live in sin" or that SSM has been officially recognized does not limit anyone's ability to be a "good Christian".
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Rest assured that "leftism" was not responsible for prohibition, slavery or Jim Crow laws. That fact that my girlfriend and I "live in sin" or that SSM has been officially recognized does not limit anyone's ability to be a "good Christian".
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Well in a way it does. Because your degenerate behavior in shacking up with a lady you’re not married to contributes to a societal acceptance of such behavior. Why do you not love her enough to commit?

And also prohibition was a progressive cause in the 20th century. But not a bad one, it saved many lives. The rate of liver disease plummeted. It was a major public health victory.

Now you’re talking about Jim Crow? How is that even relevant? That was a secular law passed by a secular state. That’s not ecclesiastical law passed by a church state.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Yes
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OK, so you’re proudly discriminatory. What other rights do you think non-Christians should lose?

EMNofSeattle said:
Homosexuality is a lifestyle behavior and not an immutable characteristic.
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That is open to dispute. Religion is certainly “a lifestyle behaviour” rather than immutable characteristic though so you’re not in a strong position to use that as justification for discrimination.

EMNofSeattle said:
If people are equals then either party has a right to deny service.
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The question is the reason though. Should a business be free to turn you away because you’re Christian or male or white or heterosexual without any legal consequence?

EMNofSeattle said:
The problem is, the far left will never let anyone but the Muslims have a theocracy. A Jewish homeland was created and look at how the leftists treat them.
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You’re not talking to “the far left”. Nobody “allows” a theocracy to exist but they are commonly condemned and attacked. The question remains; do you want a Christian theocracy where non-Christians are treated as second class citizens (or just entirely eliminated)?
 
HonestJoe said:
OK, so you’re proudly discriminatory. What other rights do you think non-Christians should lose?
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everybody is discriminatory in some way.

That is open to dispute. Religion is certainly “a lifestyle behaviour” rather than immutable characteristic though so you’re not in a strong position to use that as justification for discrimination.
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It is not open to dispute.
The question is the reason though. Should a business be free to turn you away because you’re Christian or male or white or heterosexual without any legal consequence?
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I would say yes, to all
You’re not talking to “the far left”. Nobody “allows” a theocracy to exist but they are commonly condemned and attacked. The question remains; do you want a Christian theocracy where non-Christians are treated as second class citizens (or just entirely eliminated)?
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I don’t think non Christians should be killed. But I would love to have somewhere in the world be a Catholic theocracy for me to voluntarily move to, and I think the best option would be for this hypothetical state to not give permanent citizenship so that subversives who don’t like the theocracy Can just be deported.

Oh and no, the far left is openly running news directly lifted from the propaganda of the Iranian regime. So they’re not condemning the Islamic Republic of Iran. The democrats just blocked a resolution in congress to condemn that regime for shooting down an airliner and gunning down demonstrators
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Well in a way it does. Because your degenerate behavior in shacking up with a lady you’re not married to contributes to a societal acceptance of such behavior. Why do you not love her enough to commit?

And also prohibition was a progressive cause in the 20th century. But not a bad one, it saved many lives. The rate of liver disease plummeted. It was a major public health victory.

Now you’re talking about Jim Crow? How is that even relevant? That was a secular law passed by a secular state. That’s not ecclesiastical law passed by a church state.
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The major reason that we do not marry is that by not doing so her SS will increase by about $1K/month if (when?) her ex-husband (who is 9 years older than myself) dies since she would then enjoy surviving spouse SS benefits. I have "committed" in the sense that she and her three daughters are my (only) heirs.
 
"Religious views" are only regulated by the Constitution and statute laws.
 
another day, another example of how ****ing stupid right wingers are
 
marke said:
It seems modern leftist Americans have no mercy on Christians who stand against homosexuality because God opposes sodomy. Should the state allow those Christians to be destroyed by the wicked for refusing to compromise their beliefs in the face of growing hostility against Christian beliefs?



Govt punishment of NM photographer stands, compelled speech problem unresolved…for now
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Any false witness bearing on their part means they are just practitioners of the Abomination of Hypocrisy and false Christians anyway. True Gamorans and true Sodomites make better Citizens than false Christians.
 
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You have to start with "Jesus loves gay people."

If you don't believe that, then you're not a Christian. Once we have that established, you can start talking about the rest of the Bible.
 
Christians need to look in the mirror and determine if they, themselves, are living by the word of God.

For example, if a Christian lies about other people then they are breaking a major religious rule. Adultry? Another major sin. Killing? Major. Taking someone else's property? Major.

Can you guys think of people (political or here) that do just those 4 major things?
 
marke said:
It seems modern leftist Americans have no mercy on Christians who stand against homosexuality because God opposes sodomy. Should the state allow those Christians to be destroyed by the wicked for refusing to compromise their beliefs in the face of growing hostility against Christian beliefs?

Govt punishment of NM photographer stands, compelled speech problem unresolved…for now
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True Christians don't organize their business on a for-the-Profit-of-Lucre basis if they want to practice their Religious beliefs in public accommodation.

A July 2013 Rasmussen poll found that 85 percent of Americans believe a Christian photographer has the right to say no if asked to create pictures at a same-sex ceremony that conflicts with the photographer’s religious beliefs. The editorial boards of both The Los Angeles Times and The Washington Times agreed.
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Organizing on a For-Profit basis means capital Lucre above morals.
 
Won't liberals think of the Christians right to beat and discriminate against gays! To lock minorities up in jail! To berate people not like them. It's just not fair, those darn liberals. Christians can't even string up a black man anymore, what's wrong with this country
 
swing_voter said:
You have to start with "Jesus loves gay people."

If you don't believe that, then you're not a Christian. Once we have that established, you can start talking about the rest of the Bible.
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I don't see in the Bible where it says "God says if you are a professional photographer you are required to photograph gay porn make out scenes."

Anyone who has done wedding photography knows that many couples act like the photographer is invisible and will say and do anything as if the photographer is not even present in the changing room and elsewhere.
 
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