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Louisiana requires "In God We Trust"

ataraxia said:
So you are saying that the South did not go from voting heavily Democratic to voting heavily Republican? Because there is no historical controversy there.

The question is just: why?
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No, I'm saying it didn't happen overnight, and it happened 30 years after the Civil Rights Act.

This idea that Southern Democrats switched to Republicans and the South went Republican as a reaction to the Civil Rights Act is pure Democrat fairy tale.

I'm also saying if there was a Nixonian or even Reaganite "Southern Strategy," it wasn't particulalry effective. The voting patterns say so.
 
vegas giants said:
Prove it
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Prove what? You have to discover the truth for yourself. Me providing a Godly quote from later in his life is not going to convince you. You first need to denounce the liberal revisionists history of the United States and start over.
 
Iron_Merc said:
Prove what? You have to discover the truth for yourself. Me providing a Godly quote from later in his life is not going to convince you. You first need to denounce the liberal revisionists history of the United States and start over.
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I accept you have no evidence
 
Iron_Merc said:
Southern democrats, conservative? No, you just embrace the liberal revisionists history of the United States.
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And you are in denial. It’s conservatives, not liberals, who fly the confederate flag and throw tantrums when white supremacist monuments are removed.
 
ataraxia said:
Here are the facts:
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You keep bringing up "strategy." It doesn't matter to the fact that the South didn't start generally voting Republican until the 1990s (and very few Democrats switched parties).

So you can scream "Southern Strategy!!!!" all night long; the facts of how the South voted are what they are.
 
Iron_Merc said:
The facts are this. Liberals have a very difficult time acknowledging the conservative values stem from the Christian belief structure.
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Nope. No problem doing that. Kinda like this:

"[Slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God...it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation...it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts."
-Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of America.

"There is not one verse in the Bible inhibiting slavery, but many regulating it. It is not then, we conclude, immoral."
-Rev. Alexander Campbell

"The right of holding slaves is clearly established in the Holy Scriptures, both by precept and example."
-Rev. R. Furman, D.D., Baptist, of South Carolina

"The hope of civilization itself hangs on the defeat of Negro suffrage."
-Prominent 19th-century southern Presbyterian pastor, cited by Rev. Jack Rogers, moderator of the Presbyterian Church (USA).

"The doom of Ham has been branded on the form and features of his African descendants. The hand of fate has united his color and destiny. Man cannot separate what God hath joined."
-United States Senator James Henry Hammond
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Harshaw said:
You keep bringing up "strategy." It doesn't matter to the fact that the South didn't start generally voting Republican until the 1990s (and very few Democrats switched parties).

So you can scream "Southern Strategy!!!!" all night long; the facts of how the South voted are what they are.
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The strategy took a few decades to hit full steam. If it was not a deliberate strategy, why would Ken Mehlman, chair of the RNC, officially apologize for it to the NAACP in 2005?
 
ataraxia said:
The strategy took a few decades to hit full steam. If it was not a deliberate strategy, why would Ken Mehlman, chair of the RNC, officially apologize for it to the NAACP in 2005?
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Quote where I said it wasn't a deliberate strategy, or indeed anything remotely like it. G'head.
 
Iron_Merc said:
So you are saying God didn't use Lincoln to end slavery in the United States?
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I wouldn't know. I don't even know which god you are talking about: the God of the Confederates or the God of Lincoln. I am not even sure any of them even exist, any more than Allah. Maybe Allah used Lincoln to end slavery in the United States. Who knows? "God" just seems to be a concept everyone projects their latest opinions to.

Why do you ask? And how does that help the discussion?
 
Iron_Merc said:
At best a born again Christian, which he was. That quote you used against him was said earlier in his life, before God transformed him
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When was he transformed? And how do you know?
 
Harshaw said:
No, I'm saying it didn't happen overnight, and it happened 30 years after the Civil Rights Act.

This idea that Southern Democrats switched to Republicans and the South went Republican as a reaction to the Civil Rights Act is pure Democrat fairy tale.

I'm also saying if there was a Nixonian or even Reaganite "Southern Strategy," it wasn't particulalry effective. The voting patterns say so.
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Looking at Southern voting patterns from 1960 to 1990, I am not sure how it could be any more effective. Powerful!
 
ataraxia said:
Looking at Southern voting patterns from 1960 to 1990, I am not sure how it could be any more effective. Powerful!
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You've obviously never done that in any detail, and to any extent you've ever bothered to glance through it, you've done so on a fishing expedition to confirm your "big switch" myth.
 
ataraxia said:
I wouldn't know. I don't even know which god you are talking about: the God of the Confederates or the God of Lincoln. I am not even sure any of them even exist, any more than Allah. Maybe Allah used Lincoln to end slavery in the United States. Who knows? "God" just seems to be a concept everyone projects their latest opinions to.

Why do you ask? And how does that help the discussion?
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Yes it helps the discussion because now I know where you stand:

YOU don't know

ps. get acquainted with the living God
 
Iron_Merc said:
One thing is for certain, democrats certainly didn't stand for conservative, republican values personified by Lincoln.

But we are getting off track here. In regards to IN GOD WE TRUST its perfectly legal.

Take a look at this:

Accommodationism - Wikipedia
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Oh I understand that it's according to the law, and it's not really a life or death issue for me.
They want to besmirch God by turning God into Mammon, so be it.

But personally speaking, I find it disgusting, and I wager God does, too.
 
Iron_Merc said:
I will also have you know that Lincoln as killed by a liberal democrat.
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bearpoker said:
There you go again. This is a debate forum. Document or shut up.
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How much you want to bet that he's going to document it by stating Hitler was a lefty?
I say ten bucks says he slips that in somewhere in his explanation...oh yeah, almost forgot, the US is not a democracy either...betcha he slips that bullcrap in there, too.

How many times have we slapped that bit of nonsense down this year?
I'm telling you, these PragerU folks are like The Walking Dead, knock one down and two hundred more come out of the woods.
 
Iron_Merc said:
If you are not happy here in a country based on Christian origins, you might try North Korea. They seem to have the socialism thing going on. That's the best way to escape from God, for now.
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They do? Well, after all, they have "Democratic" in their name, so naturally they must be socialists, right?
After all, everyone knows Dems are just Marxists, right?
Oh, by the way, how about Vladimir Zhironovsky's Liberal Party in Russia? Were they liberals?
 
Harshaw said:
You keep bringing up "strategy." It doesn't matter to the fact that the South didn't start generally voting Republican until the 1990s (and very few Democrats switched parties).

So you can scream "Southern Strategy!!!!" all night long; the facts of how the South voted are what they are.
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So Ken Mehlman had nothing to apologize for?
 
Iron_Merc said:
Yes it helps the discussion because now I know where you stand:

YOU don't know

ps. get acquainted with the living God
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Which one? This one?

”And rely upon the Ever-Living God who does not die, and exalt Him [Allah] with His praise. And sufficient is He to be, with the sins of His servants, Acquainted –(The Holy Quran, Surat Al-Furqan 25:58 )”
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Because it certainly can’t be the god of Jefferson, Lincoln, or most of the other founding fathers, as they so amply made clear:


”Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid or produces only atheists or fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of despotism, and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests, but so far as respects the good of man in general it leads to nothing here or hereafter.
-Thomas Payne
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Iron_Merc said:
Just a wild guess but far more substantiated that your southern strategy myth.
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So all these top Republican strategists on record talking about how they plan to exploit southern racism to win elections, and then later on record apologizing for it, were actually not interested in exploiting racism to win elections?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
They do? Well, after all, they have "Democratic" in their name, so naturally they must be socialists, right?
After all, everyone knows Dems are just Marxists, right?
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Not all democrats are Marxists (yet) but yes that is the natural progression, where do you fit in, my friend?
Center --->Liberal Democrat---->Social Democrat---->Socialist/Marxist/Communist--->Fascist (aka leftist utopia)
 
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