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Louisiana requires "In God We Trust"

dairyair said:
Find god in the DoI.
Creator can mean anything to anyone.
god is not in there.
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You haven't read the document, have you?

"The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

Who do you think the authors of the DOI meant by "creator"? Context is important.
 
bongsaway said:
Obviously the term god on our currency is non denominational since no specific name is used such as jesus or allah. As far as I'm concerned the god on our currency is benjamin franklin.
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In English language the capital g depicts 1 god. The god of Abraham. god to the jews, christians, and muslims.
If it was Ben Franklin as god, it would be a small g.
 
mike2810 said:
You haven't read the document, have you?

"The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

Who do you think the authors of the DOI meant by "creator"? Context is important.
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In my interpretation, 'their creator', means each individuals own creator. Whatever that may mean to one.
 
nekrodev said:
naw, that won't do. it has to be large and noticeable, and spend taxpayer money to implement.
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So their deity needs the biggest signage he can get. What a pathetic excuse for a god.
 
kitsune said:
So their deity needs the biggest signage he can get. What a pathetic excuse for a god.
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I mean, this was the same dude who, according to their book, wiped out all of humanity once because we weren't doing as he wanted us to. But, he loves us.
 
dairyair said:
In my interpretation, 'their creator', means each individuals own creator. Whatever that may mean to one.
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I didn't ask for your interpretation. I asked what you thought the authors of the DOI meant. To help you I gave a hint of context is important. That is think of when the DOI was written.
 
mike2810 said:
I didn't ask for your interpretation. I asked what you thought the authors of the DOI meant. To help you I gave a hint of context is important. That is think of when the DOI was written.
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I won't try to guess what people thought over 250 yrs ago.
I always figured, if they meant god, they would use the word god in the DoI. Not 'their creator'.

They understood how important word choice was and used words they wanted. And god was not part of it.
 
nekrodev said:
I mean, this was the same dude who, according to their book, wiped out all of humanity once because we weren't doing as he wanted us to. But, he loves us.
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I know. But we must trust him anyway. And his sheep have to constantly remind us that we must trust him. Apparently he is not capable of gaining our trust all by himself. He needs human help.
 
bongsaway said:
Obviously the term god on our currency is non denominational since no specific name is used such as jesus or allah. As far as I'm concerned the god on our currency is benjamin franklin.
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But clearly not everyone believes in God. It doesn't matter if it's non-denominational or not. It's still speaking about something which isn't accepted by all.

Well Benjamin Franklin did exist, and isn't a religious icon.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
But clearly not everyone believes in God. It doesn't matter if it's non-denominational or not. It's still speaking about something which isn't accepted by all.

Well Benjamin Franklin did exist, and isn't a religious icon.
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I don't believe in a god or gods. I do know this much, I would rather have ben in my pocket than god.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Law requires Louisiana public schools to display '''in God we trust''' signs [Video]

"New school year brings requirement that all public schools in Louisiana must display national motto; reaction and analysis from Fox News contributor Jonathan Morris."

Now, this is very interesting. Because it's on the coins. So, how can you tell them they can't display this, and yet have it on federal money?
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This country has become a theocracy in many ways. The Cajuns are very religious. Religion and superstition go hand in hand.

This pales in comparison to the religious influence in Washington, as demonstrated with all that comes from the annual Morning Prayer Breakfast, or whatever it's called, that elected representatives and POTUS have attended for many long decades, going back to Ike.

The Family, as covered in the Netflix documentary of the same name, has been instrumental in this US theocracy behind the scenes.
 
gulfman said:
It should say "In Trump We Trust" on all our coins and money
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I think more people trust a made up character than those who trust Trump
 
AProudLefty said:
Hence the reason for the Constitution. The Founding Fathers knew our government could be turned into a tyranny so it was written to prevent that.
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How were they supposed to prevent what was already a tyranny for Native Anericans and African slaves? The principles were wonderful, but the Declaration included reference to the "merciless Indian savages," and the Constitution included acceptance of slavery, and of course, only allowed certain people to vote. Still, it is a magnificent document. The Founders made a great, albeit hypocritical contribution to human freedom. Humanity is better off for it, as we are for the spirit behind the French Revolution, but let's not get too starry eyed. There is Jefferson, the inspiration to so many, and then there is Sally Hemmings.
 
I have never worried much about this issue when it sat barely noticed on our coinage. I thought my fellow atheists who sweated the writing on the penny, needed to learn to pick better battles, like making sure there was a strict separation in our public schools. Now in Louisiana, it appears to be the same battle. Public schools should not have this engraved in their schools as their motto, especially their grade school or middle schools.
 
I'm a Christian and here's why I don't like this move by Louisiana. I hold history sacred like Sam Kinison's portrayal of Professor Terguson in the movie, "Back to School." I believe that we need to stop this growing civil war between Red vs. Blue. Religion is definitely becoming political. A move like this is definitely taking pot shots at the left. The left, in turn, will fire back. There is almost nothing either side agrees on any more and everything is becoming weaponized. We seriously need to knock it off.

We need to start finding common ground. God was once common ground. That's changed. He shouldn't be used as a weapon. If we don't weaponize God, maybe the left will be happy to leave God on buildings and currency as a tribute to history, if the right doesn't force God onto new buildings and other public or government property? The left needs to understand that having God embedded in our national DNA is not forcing anyone to follow a religion. That old phrase, "Freedom of religion is not freedom from religion." The right needs to remember the words of Jesus who said, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's." I don't think God likes being conscripted into political wars nor does He like just being paid lip service by politicians who don't believe, but pretend to believe in God to get votes.

Maybe if we could somehow respect one another's belief and disbelief, respecting one another on religion might lead to respecting one another on the next thing, and the next, and the next until we are Americans again?
 
Hondo said:
I'm a Christian and here's why I don't like this move by Louisiana. I hold history sacred like Sam Kinison's portrayal of Professor Terguson in the movie, "Back to School." I believe that we need to stop this growing civil war between Red vs. Blue. Religion is definitely becoming political. A move like this is definitely taking pot shots at the left. The left, in turn, will fire back. There is almost nothing either side agrees on any more and everything is becoming weaponized. We seriously need to knock it off.

We need to start finding common ground. God was once common ground. That's changed. He shouldn't be used as a weapon. If we don't weaponize God, maybe the left will be happy to leave God on buildings and currency as a tribute to history, if the right doesn't force God onto new buildings and other public or government property? The left needs to understand that having God embedded in our national DNA is not forcing anyone to follow a religion. That old phrase, "Freedom of religion is not freedom from religion." The right needs to remember the words of Jesus who said, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's." I don't think God likes being conscripted into political wars nor does He like just being paid lip service by politicians who don't believe, but pretend to believe in God to get votes.

Maybe if we could somehow respect one another's belief and disbelief, respecting one another on religion might lead to respecting one another on the next thing, and the next, and the next until we are Americans again?
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Actually scotus has ruled about a dozen times that citizens have freedom from religion
 
vegas giants said:
Actually scotus has ruled about a dozen times that citizens have freedom from religion
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Oh, SCOTUS. The brilliant legal minds who gave us Dred Scott, Plessey v. Ferguson, Pace v. Alabama, and Korematsu v. United States. Cancel culture is fun.
 
Hondo said:
Oh, SCOTUS. The brilliant legal minds who gave us Dred Scott, Plessey v. Ferguson, Pace v. Alabama, and Korematsu v. United States. Cancel culture is fun.
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Yeah those guys. You know ....the ones who's opinions count
 
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