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Louisiana requires "In God We Trust"

jmotivator said:
If atheists were half as comfortable in their beliefs as they put on they wouldn't be so scared by displays of religiosity. It's like they are afraid they might accidentally start to have faith. :lol:
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I always wondered why atheists are so obsessed with removing something that has no meaning for them and is of no value to them.
 
jmotivator said:
If atheists were half as comfortable in their beliefs as they put on they wouldn't be so scared by displays of religiosity. It's like they are afraid they might accidentally start to have faith. :lol:
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Er.... okay.

I'm not an atheist, and this isn't about being afraid of religion. This is about believing that the government has no place in religion and religion has no place in government. Do you want to have a state religion which people are forced to practice?
 
Barnacle said:
I always wondered why atheists are so obsessed with removing something that has no meaning for them and is of no value to them.
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1. It is a violation of Constitutional Rights. Separation of church and state. No religion should enjoy the sponsorship of the State.

2. Atheists, agnostics, and the millions who practice non-Christian religions do not want their actions prescribed and dictated to and/or forced upon them by agents of the government in the name of a religion that has no meaning to them and is of no value to them. Christians wouldn't like it either.
 
Praxas said:
If Christians were half as comfortable in their beliefs as they put on, they wouldn't be so scared to have "In God We Trust" removed from currency. It's like they are afraid they might accidentally lose their faith if it wasn't on currency. :lol:
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That is one way to look at it.
If those not wanting the phrase on coins or in public schools removed were half as comfortable in "their beliefs" they would find more pressing issues.

Wondering when "they" will demand the Declaration of Independence be amended. Got to get rid of "creator" and "God" in that document, right? :lamo
 
Praxas said:
If Christians were half as comfortable in their beliefs as they put on, they wouldn't be so scared to have "In God We Trust" removed from currency. It's like they are afraid they might accidentally lose their faith if it wasn't on currency. :lol:
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Well, no, who ever claimed that being Christian is comfortable? it is part of the faith that godlessness leads to moral collapse. Our fear is prescribed by our faith. We fully understand that in the deluge of amorality that is life we fall away from the faith if we don't fight to keep it near us.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Er.... okay.

I'm not an atheist, and this isn't about being afraid of religion. This is about believing that the government has no place in religion and religion has no place in government. Do you want to have a state religion which people are forced to practice?
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The constitution protects the free expression of religion, it doesn't protect from the expression of religion. Let me know when there is a Church of the United States like the Church of England. It is that state that the Constitution proscribes. Proscribing religion is the opposite of the intent, like Senators openly questioning is a judge nominee is too Catholic to be a judge... it's that **** that is unconstitutional.
 
Risky Thicket said:
1. It is a violation of Constitutional Rights. Separation of church and state. No religion should enjoy the sponsorship of the State.

2. Atheists, agnostics, and the millions who practice non-Christian religions do not want their actions prescribed and dictated to and/or forced upon them by agents of the government in the name of a religion that has no meaning to them and is of no value to them. Christians wouldn't like it either.
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I thought you liked democracy ...

"... Passage of the bill was approved by a 33-0 vote in the Senate, and a 93-0 vote in the House before it was signed by the governor. ..."
 
Barnacle said:
I thought you liked democracy ...

"... Passage of the bill was approved by a 33-0 vote in the Senate, and a 93-0 vote in the House before it was signed by the governor. ..."
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That is the point, isn't it? The politicization of religion.

I don't support that. The federal government doesn't support that. In your view of politicized religion, you would willingly support Sharia law, the daily recitation of the 4 Noble Truths in schools and before government meetings, and a statue of Satan on the grounds of state court houses would you not?
 
Risky Thicket said:
That is the point, isn't it? The politicization of religion.

I don't support that. The federal government doesn't support that. In your view of politicized religion, you would willingly support Sharia law, the daily recitation of the 4 Noble Truths in schools and before government meetings, and a statue of Satan on the grounds of state court houses would you not?
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... :violin ...
 
OrphanSlug said:
The current disposition of the courts suggest this challenge has no chance.

Note, I did not say Constitutional argument. I am only referring to the courts.

While everyone is paying attention to the Democratic hopefuls and whatever asinine comment Trump comes up with next, behind the scenes and not very well covered Republicans in the Senate and Trump have stacked the courts “conservative” at just about every level where these challenges would show up.

I mean think about it my friends. Why do you think Louisiana is trying this at this particular time? Why do you think Alabama, Georgia, and several others are orchestrating the next challenge to prior Roe v Wade decision(s)?

The courts are being stacked to allow these actions to stand. Fair warning.
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The red states In God We Trust efforts are not at all coincidental. It is part - keyword there, part - of a nationally organizated effort of right wing Christian religionists.

Read it here, Project Blitz.
 
Barnacle said:
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You appear to have forgotten to answer my question:

"In your view of politicized religion, you would willingly support Sharia law, the daily recitation of the 4 Noble Truths in schools and before government meetings, and a statue of Satan on the grounds of state court houses would you not?"
 
BUT HAS VALUE FOR OTHERS! This is a great example of retaliatory leftists.

Barnacle said:
I always wondered why atheists are so obsessed with removing something that has no meaning for them and is of no value to them.
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Frigidweirdo said:
Yes, but then what happens when the Constitution ends up producing tyranny? For the most part this exists because of the way elections function.
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We've been nearly 250 years living with the Constitution and I don't see any tyranny.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Er.... okay.

I'm not an atheist, and this isn't about being afraid of religion. This is about believing that the government has no place in religion and religion has no place in government. Do you want to have a state religion which people are forced to practice?
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I am, and that's my position. Government needs to stay out of religion. Religion needs to stay out of government.
 
History of 'In God We Trust'

The Reverend Mark R. Watkinson of 'Ridleyville', Pennsylvania, (pastor of Prospect Hill Baptist Church in present-day Prospect Park, Pennsylvania) in a letter dated November 13, 1861, petitioned the Treasury Department to add a statement recognizing "Almighty God in some form on our coins" in order to "relieve us from the ignominy of heathenism".[20][21] At least part of the motivation was to declare that God was on the Union side of the Civil War.[22] Treasury Secretary Salmon P. Chase acted on this proposal and directed the then-Philadelphia Director of the Mint, James Pollock, to begin drawing up possible designs that would include the religious phrase. Chase chose his favorite designs and presented a proposal to Congress for the new designs in late 1863.
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It was and always will be religious and any non christian american should rightly be concerned; even muslims and jews who also share the same Abrahamaic god.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Law requires Louisiana public schools to display '''in God we trust''' signs [Video]

"New school year brings requirement that all public schools in Louisiana must display national motto; reaction and analysis from Fox News contributor Jonathan Morris."

Now, this is very interesting. Because it's on the coins. So, how can you tell them they can't display this, and yet have it on federal money?
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So how about if all the schools in Louisiana just tape a quarter to the wall and call it good?
 
kitsune said:
So how about if all the schools in Louisiana just tape a quarter to the wall and call it good?
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naw, that won't do. it has to be large and noticeable, and spend taxpayer money to implement.
 
Someone will sue. Guaranteed.
 
jmotivator said:
The constitution protects the free expression of religion, it doesn't protect from the expression of religion. Let me know when there is a Church of the United States like the Church of England. It is that state that the Constitution proscribes. Proscribing religion is the opposite of the intent, like Senators openly questioning is a judge nominee is too Catholic to be a judge... it's that **** that is unconstitutional.
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Well, based on your logic, I can only complain when the whole thing is done, I can't complain when they're trying to set up religion in everyone's faces.
 
jimbo said:
We've been nearly 250 years living with the Constitution and I don't see any tyranny.
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Really? Must be nice to be able to ignore it all.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Law requires Louisiana public schools to display '''in God we trust''' signs [Video]

"New school year brings requirement that all public schools in Louisiana must display national motto; reaction and analysis from Fox News contributor Jonathan Morris."

Now, this is very interesting. Because it's on the coins. So, how can you tell them they can't display this, and yet have it on federal money?
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Obviously the term god on our currency is non denominational since no specific name is used such as jesus or allah. As far as I'm concerned the god on our currency is benjamin franklin.
 
And after they are done they must salute the flag and bless donald trump and the republican party.
 
Barnacle said:
I always wondered why atheists are so obsessed with removing something that has no meaning for them and is of no value to them.
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Why do you think it's atheists?
It could be buddahists, hinduists, shamanists, satanists, or any other 1000s of other religions that aren't for 1 particular god that might be fictional.
 
mike2810 said:
That is one way to look at it.
If those not wanting the phrase on coins or in public schools removed were half as comfortable in "their beliefs" they would find more pressing issues.

Wondering when "they" will demand the Declaration of Independence be amended. Got to get rid of "creator" and "God" in that document, right? :lamo
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Find god in the DoI.
Creator can mean anything to anyone.
god is not in there.
 
jmotivator said:
Well, no, who ever claimed that being Christian is comfortable? it is part of the faith that godlessness leads to moral collapse. Our fear is prescribed by our faith. We fully understand that in the deluge of amorality that is life we fall away from the faith if we don't fight to keep it near us.
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Your faith is your faith.
My faith is my faith.
I won't force my faith on you, and I hope likewise, you won't force yours on me or anyone else.
 
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