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California WTF? A rant.

~ This will be coming to a city near you - and soon ...! Remember who you vote for . 😯
 
eohrnberger said:
Liberal / Progressive / Leftist utopia.

As you stated, place blame (and additional expense) on those who do work to take care of themselves rather than those who refuse to take care of themselves, and worse, to enable those who refuse to take care of themselves to make matters worse on those that are paying for it all.

Liberal / Progressive / Leftist utopia, coming to a Liberal / Progressive / Leftist utopia controlled city near you soon.
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It sucks here.

Please don't come here.

It's for your own good.
 
What if...? said:
People don't like to convention in the snow.
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I go to a convention every March. Nashville last year. Orlando next, Waikiki year after that. San Francisco used to be in the rotation.....its been a while though Fargo North Dakota was never in. Must be the snow.....

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Fledermaus said:
Because reality.

Typhus in city hall for example. Typhus. When was the last time you heard that word?
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That's what happens when the rising tide only lifts some boats. Kicking all the mentally ill out on the streets didn't help.

The homeless problem is always worse where the weather doesn't kill you.

Not all of our homeless are from California.
 
trixare4kids said:
That's so easy for people who don't live around this squalor to say...
Have you no empathy for people whose neighborhoods are being taken over by people living in their streets, parks?
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We had a hepatitis a outbreak here last year

That's what happens when you close all the public restroom in the hopes that the homeless will leave.

They don't, and you get hep a outbreaks.
 
vesper said:
I have watched several documentaries on the devastating conditions posing real health risks to the public in LA, San Fran and Seattle. The threat of typhus in LA didn't just happen. They had an outbreak in October of last year. There are two main sources for typhus. One is infected fleas and the other type comes from body lice. The human feces and needles found daily on the ground is a major threat to the public. I watched a documentary of pre-school students that had to walk in one such areas and they had to step over human waste and used needles.
Typhus Outbreak in California Expands in LA and Long Beach — Precision Vaccinations
And then I read an article that jails in LA and other cities in California are battling bed bugs and fleas. Turns out that bed bugs are more dangerous than the fleas. Apparently they are one of the insects that transmit the parasite that causes Chagas disease. Chagas is a life threatening infection that can do bad things to the heart. It is called the American trypanosomiasis.. It is found in Latin American countries and in the southern states there have been increasing numbers of reported cases..

When the public's wellbeing is no longer a priority, then we have a real problem. Whatever these places have been doing is a total fail and they need to address it ASAP.

There are several factors involved in all the homeless. The cost for real estate is a factor in these cities but their unemployment rate is rather low. Last month they added over 16,000 jobs in California. These folks living on skid row in LA, San Fran, etc do not work. Most can't because they are strung out on drugs. The coast is a magnet for homeless people in general. It is a magnet for the homeless who are junkies. The weather is mild enough all year they can sleep outside. The drug usage is tied to the homeless population. And by the number of needles they have to cleanup daily there is no shortage of supply in these areas.
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More law enforcement is going to require more taxes to pay for it.
We have always had a larger "bum problem" than most other places, all the way back to the 19th century.

Having the economically displaced added to an already bad problem is what's stretching it to the breaking point because if it was just the bums and addicts we'd just do what other cities do, crack down.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Yeah every city has issues, but liberal west coast American cities are off the charts.

Try visiting Santiago de Chile, you won’t see any derelict RVs, homelessness is uncommon, no litter, strong police presence who will arrest people who violate public order. And the population is similar to LA, similar climate, Mexico City looks better then LA as of 2019, I’ve been there too. So cities in other parts of world seem to know that you can’t tolerate these drug encampments
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So how do they deal with it? Goon squads? Workhouses? Prison?

What are they doing that is different?
 
jmotivator said:
I see this argument used a lot, but it seems to come from people who don't seem to understand that absolutrely NO, not every city has **** in the streets, shanty towns and the rest. No, that isn't normal.

Saying that LA is fine because you can find places that, I assume, don't allow the homeless, is a "let them eat cake" moment.
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I guess Las Cruces New Mexico must be liberal:
America's Tent Cities for the Homeless

And a pox on that liberal hellhole, Las Vegas

And of course none of them actually have jobs...oh wait.

Look, these are Hoovervilles. You may as well face the fact that this is a NATIONAL problem.
Not a liberal problem, not a California problem, a NATIONAL problem.
Homeless encampments are popping up all over the country, and we can bat this nonsense back and forth until it is so bad that it is undeniable or we can admit that we have a national problem which requires more than crackdowns on bums and addicts.
 
What if...? said:
That's what happens when the rising tide only lifts some boats. Kicking all the mentally ill out on the streets didn't help.

The homeless problem is always worse where the weather doesn't kill you.

Not all of our homeless are from California.
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Annnnnnnnd?

The homeless congregate when they get stuff for free and where they don't get hassled.

And that is now LA.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I guess Las Cruces New Mexico must be liberal:
America's Tent Cities for the Homeless

And a pox on that liberal hellhole, Las Vegas

And of course none of them actually have jobs...oh wait.

Look, these are Hoovervilles. You may as well face the fact that this is a NATIONAL problem.
Not a liberal problem, not a California problem, a NATIONAL problem.
Homeless encampments are popping up all over the country, and we can bat this nonsense back and forth until it is so bad that it is undeniable or we can admit that we have a national problem which requires more than crackdowns on bums and addicts.
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The nation does have a liberal problem

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Checkerboard Strangler said:
I guess Las Cruces New Mexico must be liberal:
America's Tent Cities for the Homeless

And a pox on that liberal hellhole, Las Vegas

And of course none of them actually have jobs...oh wait.

Look, these are Hoovervilles. You may as well face the fact that this is a NATIONAL problem.
Not a liberal problem, not a California problem, a NATIONAL problem.
Homeless encampments are popping up all over the country, and we can bat this nonsense back and forth until it is so bad that it is undeniable or we can admit that we have a national problem which requires more than crackdowns on bums and addicts.
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I said not every city has **** in the streets, showing that cities have homeless isn't a counter point, nor is showing photos of "tent cities" that are clearly sanctioned and well managed.

No, none of what you show comes close to the disaster of San Francisco and LA, it simply doesn't.

Also... what point were you trying to make with Hoovervilles? :roll:
 
jmotivator said:
I said not every city has **** in the streets, showing that cities have homeless isn't a counter point, nor is showing photos of "tent cities" that are clearly sanctioned and well managed.

No, none of what you show comes close to the disaster of San Francisco and LA, it simply doesn't.

Also... what point were you trying to make with Hoovervilles? :roll:
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Today's national homeless problem are the modern day version of Hoovervilles.
Putting aside the perennial problem of bums, vagrants, drunks and addicts, (of which CA has always had a vast oversupply) we still have a vast segment of society which I demonstrated are still working people and working families who cannot afford housing.

If you want to complain that S.F. and L.A. aren't doing enough to combat the bums, vagrants, drunks and addicts, you won't get much of a fight from me, we have a serious problem and more needs to be done about it.
But conversely, if one takes away all the displaced people who simply cannot afford a place to live, you have a law enforcement problem.

So in essence you're complaining that we're not enforcing our laws as well as you'd like.
Point taken, but what do we do about the economically displaced homeless who need our help?
It is a national problem, not a "liberal problem".

There's a movement afoot to recall Mayor Eric Garcetti in Los Angeles.
I didn't vote for the guy, so I'm not going to be upset if he's dismissed and another mayor takes his place.
Perhaps a new mayor will do a better job.

But a new mayor in Los Angeles still won't be able to singlehandedly combat the problem of thousands of people who can't afford a place to live without us acknowledging that it's a national problem.
He can sweep all the bums, vagrants, drunks and addicts from the streets and we will still have thousands of people who don't have affordable housing.

And the same goes for San Francisco. They too could sweep all the bums, vagrants, drunks and addicts from the streets and they too would barely make a dent in the problem of the tent cities.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Today's national homeless problem are the modern day version of Hoovervilles.
Putting aside the perennial problem of bums, vagrants, drunks and addicts, (of which CA has always had a vast oversupply) we still have a vast segment of society which I demonstrated are still working people and working families who cannot afford housing.
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No, you demonstrated no such thing. Your source focus on a handful of tent cities around the country, and of them at least one is a planned community with raised plots, electricity and, I assume, restroom facilities. That is not what we are talking about here no matter how bad you want to change the subject.

What we are talking about here is the lax attitude that California cities have for the homeless that have allowed tents to spring up allover the city along with mountains of trash, dirty needles and human **** everywhere. Those cities are run like ****... literally.

If you want to complain that S.F. and L.A. aren't doing enough to combat the bums, vagrants, drunks and addicts, you won't get much of a fight from me, we have a serious problem and more needs to be done about it.
But conversely, if one takes away all the displaced people who simply cannot afford a place to live, you have a law enforcement problem.
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But that is EXACTLY what we are talking about here and I DID get a fight from you. WTF, dude...


So in essence you're complaining that we're not enforcing our laws as well as you'd like.
Point taken, but what do we do about the economically displaced homeless who need our help?
It is a national problem, not a "liberal problem".
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So you clearly have zero knowledge of what we are discussing here. The issue isn't lack of law enforcement, it is the active action of these California cities to get rid of the laws all together. It isn't lack of policing causing the issues in these cities, it is the lack of laws to control humans ****ting in the streets and dumping their trash wherever they feel like. In fact, these stupid California cities have implemented policies that PROTECT these trash piles from being collected for fear of throwing away vagrant property.

Again, this isn't a national problem, this is a very particular Progressive-Stupidity problem endemic of the state of California.

There's a movement afoot to recall Mayor Eric Garcetti in Los Angeles.
I didn't vote for the guy, so I'm not going to be upset if he's dismissed and another mayor takes his place.
Perhaps a new mayor will do a better job.
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Well, I think that is a weird way to say that... so should I assume that you would be upset had you voted for him, even in the face of the catastrophic failures by the Mayor?

But a new mayor in Los Angeles still won't be able to singlehandedly combat the problem of thousands of people who can't afford a place to live without us acknowledging that it's a national problem.
He can sweep all the bums, vagrants, drunks and addicts from the streets and we will still have thousands of people who don't have affordable housing.
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Well, again, the problem has to do with the mindset of the LA, and California as-a-whole, leadership. I don't think there is a hope in Hell that LA will be able to fix the problem until it accepts that the Progressive experiment is a failure. But then it is not in the progressive DNA to admit policy failure, they always assume they just didn't progressive hard enough.

And the same goes for San Francisco. They too could sweep all the bums, vagrants, drunks and addicts from the streets and they too would barely make a dent in the problem of the tent cities.
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It would be more effective than you are willing to consider.
 
jmotivator said:
No, you demonstrated no such thing. Your source focus on a handful of tent cities around the country, and of them at least one is a planned community with raised plots, electricity and, I assume, restroom facilities. That is not what we are talking about here no matter how bad you want to change the subject.
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Oh I see, I did not include ENOUGH sources. So unless I include more sources, you're still claiming that these places are not the equivalent of Hoovervilles.

Oh, one of them is a location in a city that took a better shot at doing something about it so therefore all the other sources don't count. I get it. It doesn't change the fact that all of these people are unable to afford housing, even if they work.

jmotivator said:
What we are talking about here is the lax attitude that California cities have for the homeless that have allowed tents to spring up allover the city along with mountains of trash, dirty needles and human **** everywhere. Those cities are run like ****... literally.
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It sounds like you've decided that unless California negates the vote of everyone but the Republicans, they won't be able to respond adequately to the problem, and yet several of these other cities, which are at least somewhat liberal, seem to be doing a better job.

jmotivator said:
So you clearly have zero knowledge of what we are discussing here. The issue isn't lack of law enforcement, it is the active action of these California cities to get rid of the laws all together. It isn't lack of policing causing the issues in these cities, it is the lack of laws to control humans ****ting in the streets and dumping their trash wherever they feel like. In fact, these stupid California cities have implemented policies that PROTECT these trash piles from being collected for fear of throwing away vagrant property.

Again, this isn't a national problem, this is a very particular Progressive-Stupidity problem endemic of the state of California.
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Yeah it IS a national problem. People are living in tents everywhere in the country where housing is becoming unaffordable.
And when people live outside, they still have to defecate. I guess liberals are unable to put up porta potties and make more public restroom facilities available.
God forbid that might mitigate the problem.

jmotivator said:
Well, again, the problem has to do with the mindset of the LA, and California as-a-whole, leadership. I don't think there is a hope in Hell that LA will be able to fix the problem until it accepts that the Progressive experiment is a failure. But then it is not in the progressive DNA to admit policy failure, they always assume they just didn't progressive hard enough.
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Funny how a couple of decades earlier, the conservative DNA dictated that "they didn't conservative hard enough" and that failed to attract the support of voters, which is why conservatives lost California in the first place, or do you blame George Soros for that? Maybe Kansas didn't "conservative hard enough" either, but it's funny...the voters lost patience and got rid of the Kansas Experiment.

More "all progressive bad, all conservative good".
Doesn't jive with the fact that both conservative and liberal cities alike are able to tackle the problem, but I wouldn't dream of trying to dither your hard-boiled conviction that liberals cause homelessness.
 
X Factor said:
It’s just possible that a mix of liberalism and conservatism is actually better than either side just having their own way without challenge.
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Ummm, that would be America before things got so polarized that it became impossible for cons and libs to sit down and address problems in bipartisan fashion.

I am all for California inviting more conversations from around the country to broaden their liberal outlook on many issues.
We should talk to Salt Lake City, hardly a leftist mecca, for tips on how to implement THEIR solutions to the homeless issue.

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Except it looks like Utah decided to get rid of the funding for their programs. :(

Once a national model, Utah (again) struggles with homelessness

Once lauded as a leader among U.S. cities struggling to relieve homelessness, the number of people sleeping rough in Utah’s capital has spiked in the past two years, as funding for its groundbreaking housing program dried up.
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I live in San Diego. A five cent a gallon gas tax takes effect tomorrow, making CA the highest gas tax in the nation. I don't know if I can buy ammo for my handgun without some BS expensive backround check. We just lost a major car manufacturer to some southern state. I just want to say right up front, California sucks ass, don't even consider moving here. Unless you are a bum or an illegal alien. Then, it's worth it.

Sorry. Do I sound pissed? I am, and I'm not the only one.
 
Grandpappy said:
I live in San Diego. A five cent a gallon gas tax takes effect tomorrow, making CA the highest gas tax in the nation. I don't know if I can buy ammo for my handgun without some BS expensive backround check. We just lost a major car manufacturer to some southern state. I just want to say right up front, California sucks ass, don't even consider moving here. Unless you are a bum or an illegal alien. Then, it's worth it.

Sorry. Do I sound pissed? I am, and I'm not the only one.
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I gather you are white but not rich. California exists for rich white people and poor non-white people to serve them. It sounds like you don't fit in.
 
Grandpappy said:
I live in San Diego. A five cent a gallon gas tax takes effect tomorrow, making CA the highest gas tax in the nation. I don't know if I can buy ammo for my handgun without some BS expensive backround check. We just lost a major car manufacturer to some southern state. I just want to say right up front, California sucks ass, don't even consider moving here. Unless you are a bum or an illegal alien. Then, it's worth it.

Sorry. Do I sound pissed? I am, and I'm not the only one.
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you post causes me to ask an obvious question: why the **** are you still there if you hate it so much?


i ask a similar question of yankees who come down south and then piss and moan because the south is not like their homes up north
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Oh I see, I did not include ENOUGH sources. So unless I include more sources, you're still claiming that these places are not the equivalent of Hoovervilles.

Oh, one of them is a location in a city that took a better shot at doing something about it so therefore all the other sources don't count. I get it. It doesn't change the fact that all of these people are unable to afford housing, even if they work.
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Again, you keep trying to change the subject and it's not going to work. The subject is the idiotic policy of the state of California and the cities of LA and San Francisco which have been disastrous for the homeless and the cities as a whole.



It sounds like you've decided that unless California negates the vote of everyone but the Republicans, they won't be able to respond adequately to the problem, and yet several of these other cities, which are at least somewhat liberal, seem to be doing a better job.
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LOL. Straw man. My position is that the policies of LA, San Francisco and the state of California as a whole are a disaster unfolding in slow motion.

The problem is that every progressive nitwit I have even met in my whole life is convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that the solution to failed progressive policies is bigger progressive policies. Where that leads is what we see in LA and San Francisco.

in a normal city the homeless issue would be addressed with either policing and services to get the homeless off the streets. In LA and San Francisco they have made homelessness a right, and ****ting in the street an expression of that right. :roll:


Yeah it IS a national problem. People are living in tents everywhere in the country where housing is becoming unaffordable.
And when people live outside, they still have to defecate. I guess liberals are unable to put up porta potties and make more public restroom facilities available.
God forbid that might mitigate the problem.
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No, it's not a national problem. Other parts of the nation actually manage to deal with their homeless communities effectively, unlike California. Your state's rock-stupid policies are not the countries problem, they are your state's problems and the problem of who you elected to dismantle your state.

Funny how a couple of decades earlier, the conservative DNA dictated that "they didn't conservative hard enough" and that failed to attract the support of voters, which is why conservatives lost California in the first place, or do you blame George Soros for that? Maybe Kansas didn't "conservative hard enough" either, but it's funny...the voters lost patience and got rid of the Kansas Experiment.
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Yeah, well, we see what you guys got for that brave stand against sanity. :lamo

Go figure you'd try to turn this conversation into a matter of winning elections rather than sane policy. :roll:

If it makes you feel any better I have always been of the opinion that people deserve exactly what they voted for, and so I think California truly deserves this.

More "all progressive bad, all conservative good".
Doesn't jive with the fact that both conservative and liberal cities alike are able to tackle the problem, but I wouldn't dream of trying to dither your hard-boiled conviction that liberals cause homelessness.
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Well, no, Progressive policies are usually disastrous, and Conservative solutions to Progressive disasters is to look back to the better times before those disastrous policies and see what worked then and return to it. Progressives just plow ahead with more radical, less tested policies hoping one will work.
 
justabubba said:
you post causes me to ask an obvious question: why the **** are you still there if you hate it so much?


i ask a similar question of yankees who come down south and then piss and moan because the south is not like their homes up north
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My wife wants to stay close to family members. I'd prefer Nevada (not Vegas) or my native state, Arizona, but again, not a big city.
 
Fledermaus said:
Because reality.

Typhus in city hall for example. Typhus. When was the last time you heard that word?
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When antivaxxers came along..
 
X Factor said:
Shouldn’t the poor and homeless be actually better off in a city run by more liberal leaders?
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They would probably be better off in cities without the obscenely hight housing prices.
 
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