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    Re: Should the Trump hotel lose its liquor license over Trump’s lack of ‘good character’?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    Liz never misrepresented herself on her Bar application
    you need better, factual, material
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    Re: Should the Trump hotel lose its liquor license over Trump’s lack of ‘good character’?

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    No one cares if Elizabeth Warren is or isn't Native American. Please try a different, legitimate form of criticism.
    So your answer is no, you do not care about the ethical character of Warren or lawyers.

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    Re: Should the Trump hotel lose its liquor license over Trump’s lack of ‘good character’?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    Liz never misrepresented herself on her Bar application
    you need better, factual, material
    Yes she did. She claimed she is Native American, just like she did to Harvard. As a lawyer, she knew in fact that even if her own claim of NA ancestry was accurate, it did not qualify her as NA under law.

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    Re: Should the Trump hotel lose its liquor license over Trump’s lack of ‘good character’?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Yes she did. She claimed she is Native American, just like she did to Harvard. As a lawyer, she knew in fact that even if her own claim of NA ancestry was accurate, it did not qualify her as NA under law.
    please cite the Native American law that you believe Liz Warren ignored when completing her Bar app
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    Re: Should the Trump hotel lose its liquor license over Trump’s lack of ‘good character’?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.ae6545677c94


    the complainants are prominent citizens:
    an inactive senior U.S. District Court judge
    a retired magistrate judge of the D.C. Superior Court who has served as executive attorney of the D.C. Board on Professional Responsibility and senior attorney for the U.S. Department of Justice Professional Responsibility Advisory Office
    senior pastor of the city’s historic Metropolitan African Methodist Episcopal Church.
    founding executive director of Faith in Public Life, a strategy center for faith and politics, and former chair of the White House Council on Faith and Neighborhood Partnerships
    general secretary and chief administrative officer of the Progressive National Baptist Convention
    a Conservative rabbi who since 2015 has been executive director and president of Interfaith Alliance in the District
    an Orthodox rabbi who works with Jews in their 20s and 30s in the District


    ABC board rules against Trump — he may lose his liquor license for Trump DC Hotel – Raw Story

    the donald's character - or lack of it - is causing the ABC Commission to give consideration to the effort to rescind the liquor permit for tRump's DC hotel

    had he divested - as he promised before being sworn in - his morals and character would not now be able to be used against him in this unique effort


    Trump is an utterly despicable human being, but I have known some real scumbags that owned bars, so not sure why he should lose his liquor license over it.
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    Re: Should the Trump hotel lose its liquor license over Trump’s lack of ‘good character’?

    OMG, really?
    Liquor license, good moral character. My goodness, a lot of watering holes would be out of business.
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    Re: Should the Trump hotel lose its liquor license over Trump’s lack of ‘good character’?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    please cite the Native American law that you believe Liz Warren ignored when completing her Bar app
    Tribal governments which maintain Federal relationships via binding treaties recognizing sovereignty, have varying regulations demanding anywhere from 1/16 tribal ancestry upwards, and such regulations are considered law pursuant to those treaties by Federal courts. During the 1950's, individuals who claimed Apache, Kiowa, and Navaho ancestry claiming benefits from all three tribal governments simultaneously in New Mexico found themselves denied benefits from all three by a district court. Appeals to the appellate resulted in a decision obligating the tribal government whereby the plurality ancestry was the deciding factor, since the benefits ultimately were Federally sourced and were considered double dipping by the court, but still applicable from one tribal government. Case law, not legislative law, however a lawful precedent for determining Native American ancestry values for many other cases in almost every state.

    In some states which maintain treaties and or recognition of tribes not recognized by the Federal government, the same case law standard has been used to certify tribal membership. An example, the Shinnecock Tribe of Long Island, recognized by the state, not the Federal government, for purposes of obtaining a casino license, tribal membership determined by provable 1/16 family ancestry in the tribe. Obviously, such case law can only be use to deny Tribal benefits, and not accrue any other lawful status for false claims.

    The Iroquois Nation Tribal Council passed a law stating anyone claiming Iroquois ancestry without approval of formal tribal councils, found living on Iroquois lands as subject to $10k fines and up to one year in a Reservation Jail. Yet to be tested in either tribal or other courts. Iroquois tribal lands extend from northern Ohio, parts of northern NY, parts of Connecticut and Vermont, as well as parts of Canada. Not all those lands are recognized formally as tribal by either US or Canadian Federal authorities, often acquired by other independent purchases by the membership tribes and individual members over the years outside of treaty recognition.

    A false claim of Native American ancestry by a Russian organized crime group in the Catskill region of NYS for the purposes of obtaining a NYS gaming and casino license about 12 years ago was adjudicated on the basis of fraud, embezzlement, counterfeiting, forgery, lying on government application forms, attempted bribery and so forth was very comically entertaining. Especially when one of the accused walked into the court wearing full and complete tribal attire of a Sioux shaman. Fake hair extensions hanging from his belt to simulate scalps of his enemies, and an Inuit sable fur headpiece (sable is not found in the US, strictly an animal of the Russian Steppes). The rest of his costume rented from Ruby's, a well known source of theater, TV video productions and movie costumes, consumer costumes, masks and make up for the celebration of Halloween. Members of the Onondaga tribe present as expert witnesses for the prosecution were rolling on the floor laughing. So were the most of the rest of the court, including some of the other defendants. Even the judge was having trouble maintaining a straight face. One of the prosecuting attorney team members is a personal friend who takes great joy in telling about this court experience. He's of Russian descent, speaks Russian fluently, reads and writes Cyrillic, the reasons he was drafted on the team. His usual haunt at the time, the Brooklyn DA's office. Today in private practice, he mostly does RE closings, estate work and occasional minor criminal defenses for a firm focused on personal injury and small business litigation.
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    Re: Should the Trump hotel lose its liquor license over Trump’s lack of ‘good character’?

    Liquor boards are fickle things. The ABC liquor board style of regulation exists in 17 states (mostly red states) and are state run (or city run in DC's case). However, each board has slightly different ways of doing certain things in each state.

    But one thing is for certain; politics ALWAYS plays a role.

    When you look closer at the rulings of various ABC boards, you will almost always find an ulterior motive. Usually stemming from one business trying to retain control of a market. And if that business happens to support the party in power locally, then it becomes easier for the ABC board members to nod and wink and use the character clause to shut down a competitor. BTW, most ABC board members are appointed by governors. Further, ABC boards usually have their own law enforcement force specifically tasked to the state's liquor laws under the direction of the ABC board.

    In the case of DC, it would be safe to assume that is what they are doing. Now, before some of you waggle your fingers and cry shame and pretend that its unfair....the majority of 17 states that have ABC boards are, as I said before, red states, or conservative states. And they use it as a tool to help the GOP just as Washington DC is doing it to help the DNC. Don't like it? Cool...but at least be vocally on how it is also being misused by the GOP as well.

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    Re: Should the Trump hotel lose its liquor license over Trump’s lack of ‘good character’?

    It would have been hilarious if Trump had lost his liquor license because of lack of good character.

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    Re: Should the Trump hotel lose its liquor license over Trump’s lack of ‘good character’?

    Last time I checked, character was not a qualification of holding a liquor license.

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