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    'I'm gay': Mormon Republican lawmaker in Utah comes out

    I debated with myself for some time where to post this discussion. 'I'm gay': Mormon Republican lawmaker in Utah comes out (NBC)
    Republican lawmaker Nathan Ivie says it took him more than 20 years to come to terms with his identity.

    But on Wednesday morning the 40-year-old Utah County commissioner sat in front of his computer and publicly shared the secret that has caused him pain and confusion since he was 9 years old: He is gay.

    In a video posted to Facebook that has since been viewed more than 11,000 times, Ivie embraces his sexual orientation and recounts the difficult experience of growing up feeling at odds ďspiritually and biologically.Ē Ivie is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, but he declined to comment on his faith. The Utah-based faith strictly opposes gay marriage and still considers same-sex relationships to be a serious transgression.
    I decided that the uniqueness of the Utah situation made it a "local" political story, albeit with national ramifications. 20 years in the closet, 13 years married and with two kids. Yet, in a community dominated by a religion that calls him a "sinner", he was finally able to reconcile who he is with who he is in the community. I applaud it. And, apparently, so does his community.
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    Re: 'I'm gay': Mormon Republican lawmaker in Utah comes out

    Is he allowed to have several husbands?

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    Re: 'I'm gay': Mormon Republican lawmaker in Utah comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by NWRatCon View Post
    I debated with myself for some time where to post this discussion. 'I'm gay': Mormon Republican lawmaker in Utah comes out (NBC)

    I decided that the uniqueness of the Utah situation made it a "local" political story, albeit with national ramifications. 20 years in the closet, 13 years married and with two kids. Yet, in a community dominated by a religion that calls him a "sinner", he was finally able to reconcile who he is with who he is in the community. I applaud it. And, apparently, so does his community.
    I applaud it as well. It's got to be an exhausting life living a lie, and I wish him the best. Same thing for his family - it can be tough for them to deal with socially, even if they accept their son/brother/grandson/nephew, etc. Was a little tough for me when my brother came out. I'm well over it and just don't care anymore if someone has a problem. If they do, **** em, they're not a friend I care to keep. But it wasn't easy at first.

    The good thing is a lot of his friends, family and associates accepted him and respected him before he came out, and now will have to wrestle with the fact that the person they knew and respected is gay. In my little world, the vast majority adjust just fine, and that's ultimately how things change for the better. Nathan Ivie is the same good guy they all liked a year ago, he's just....gay and that's OK.
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    Re: 'I'm gay': Mormon Republican lawmaker in Utah comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by NWRatCon View Post
    I debated with myself for some time where to post this discussion. 'I'm gay': Mormon Republican lawmaker in Utah comes out (NBC)

    I decided that the uniqueness of the Utah situation made it a "local" political story, albeit with national ramifications. 20 years in the closet, 13 years married and with two kids. Yet, in a community dominated by a religion that calls him a "sinner", he was finally able to reconcile who he is with who he is in the community. I applaud it. And, apparently, so does his community.
    Good for him! You love who you love and itís very difficult to do otherwise. I hope his family can accept this and he maintains a good relationship with them.
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    Re: 'I'm gay': Mormon Republican lawmaker in Utah comes out

    Republican lawmaker Nathan Ivie says it took him more than 20 years to come to terms with his identity.
    Big mistake.
    Say goodbye to your career and family Ivie...

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    Re: 'I'm gay': Mormon Republican lawmaker in Utah comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by NWRatCon View Post
    I debated with myself for some time where to post this discussion. 'I'm gay': Mormon Republican lawmaker in Utah comes out (NBC)

    I decided that the uniqueness of the Utah situation made it a "local" political story, albeit with national ramifications. 20 years in the closet, 13 years married and with two kids. Yet, in a community dominated by a religion that calls him a "sinner", he was finally able to reconcile who he is with who he is in the community. I applaud it. And, apparently, so does his community.
    I'm completely for gay rights, equality and SMM. That said..

    What a total asshole! To do this to his wife?! Steal her youth on his lying day and night to her day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year? What a bastard! As much of a lowlife a scumball liar as it gets! Purely completely selfish trash.

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    Re: 'I'm gay': Mormon Republican lawmaker in Utah comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by NWRatCon View Post
    I debated with myself for some time where to post this discussion. 'I'm gay': Mormon Republican lawmaker in Utah comes out (NBC)

    I decided that the uniqueness of the Utah situation made it a "local" political story, albeit with national ramifications. 20 years in the closet, 13 years married and with two kids. Yet, in a community dominated by a religion that calls him a "sinner", he was finally able to reconcile who he is with who he is in the community. I applaud it. And, apparently, so does his community.
    It seems to be a good rule of thumb, that anything which is harmful to children will be celebrated by the left. If the harm derives from the selfishness and narcissism of a parent, all the better.
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    Re: 'I'm gay': Mormon Republican lawmaker in Utah comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by NWRatCon View Post
    I debated with myself for some time where to post this discussion. 'I'm gay': Mormon Republican lawmaker in Utah comes out (NBC)

    I decided that the uniqueness of the Utah situation made it a "local" political story, albeit with national ramifications. 20 years in the closet, 13 years married and with two kids. Yet, in a community dominated by a religion that calls him a "sinner", he was finally able to reconcile who he is with who he is in the community. I applaud it. And, apparently, so does his community.
    I too am glad that he came out, and that he lives the life he now feels free to live. But joko104 raises an important issue: What about his wife? It sounds like they are still on relatively good terms for the sake of their children, but that is something very difficult to come to terms with. The idea that your most intimate bedrock relationship was based on a lie, that your spouse never found you attractive, that you gave someone your youth, only to find out that they never loved you the way you believed they did? It is a betrayal. And he and any other closeted gay man (or woman for that matter) had damn well better be able to accept any refusal to forgive such a betrayal on their unknowing wives' parts and play nicey-nice with them later, even if other spouses are more seemingly-understanding.
    Last edited by Felis Leo; 05-24-19 at 02:50 AM.
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    Re: 'I'm gay': Mormon Republican lawmaker in Utah comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    I am glad that he came out, and that he lives the life he now feels free to live. But joko104 raises an important issue: What about his wife? It sounds like they are still on relatively good terms for the sake of their child, but that is something very difficult to come to terms with. The idea that your entire relationship was based on a lie, that your husband never found you attractive, that you gave someone your youth, only to find out that they never loved you the way you believed they did? It is a betrayal. And he and any other closeted gay man (or woman for that matter) had damn well better be able to accept any refusal to forgive such a betrayal on their unknowing wives' parts and play nicey-nice with them later.
    If it is anything like other such couples I have known, there isn't a lot of recrimination. That expectation is based upon a fundamental misperception of human relations and human sexuality. I could give specifics, but it would violate trusts that I'm not prepared to do. In my experience, though, it is much easier to "forgive" (that is not the right word at all) come to terms with a partner that comes out to be publicly the person they have always been, because they've known them as a real human being with all their qualities. I suspect your experience is much more circumscribed.
    Last edited by NWRatCon; 05-24-19 at 02:59 AM.
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    Re: 'I'm gay': Mormon Republican lawmaker in Utah comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by NWRatCon View Post
    If it is anything like other such couples I have known, there isn't a lot of recrimination. That expectation is based upon a fundamental misperception of human relations and human sexuality. I could give specifics, but it would violate trusts that I'm not prepared to do. In my experience, though, it is much easier to "forgive" (that is not the right word at all) come to terms with a partner that comes out to be publicly the person they have always been, because they've known them as a real human being with all their qualities. I suspect your experience is much more circumscribed.
    It certainly has been. I know of one other such couple who were family friends of my parents and whose children were mine and my brother's friends. The husband's coming out destroyed his relationship with his wife and children.
    Itís in the small things that the rot starts. Do the wrong thing once, itís easier to do it again. Do the individualistic thing once, it is easy to do it again.

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