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    Re: Hillary will run again in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Surrealistik View Post
    Bernie, Warren, Tulsi, Ojeda, Beto (if you assume he's turned a new leaf and is now a progressive; I don't, but others do; the man screams duplicity/Obama 2.0 to me personally) are the big ones at this time.

    By the way, I have to admit it astonishes me how Beto is somehow considered this big political force and a serious contender for the nomination (just check out the odds on betting sites) despite losing his district and Ojeda is somehow not, with the same people vaunting and praising Beto dismissing Ojeda over his loss in a much more hostile district, despite having made far more progress there than Beto did in Texas; the sheer cognitive dissonance baffles the mind.
    Yea that is a good point. Ojeda was also a veteran wasnt he? Thats a huge plus in many areas. I do think Bernie might run again but not clear on what measures the DNC took so he can or cannot run again as a democrat. If he runs as an indie it wont end well. I also just saw Deval Patrick says he wont be running.

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    Re: Hillary will run again in 2020

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    Yea that is a good point. Ojeda was also a veteran wasnt he? Thats a huge plus in many areas. I do think Bernie might run again but not clear on what measures the DNC took so he can or cannot run again as a democrat. If he runs as an indie it wont end well. I also just saw Deval Patrick says he wont be running.
    Ojeda worked his way up from grunt to a rank of Major in the army, served in Korea, Honduras, Jordan, Haiti, Afghanistan, and Iraq over a 24 year career including in combat zones where friends of his died; he's definitely the real deal.

    TBH, whether Bernie ultimately runs I think depends on the field of candidates in the end; if he sees no suitable progressive to bear his torch, he will do whatever is necessary to step in (which I feel was the case last time), I have no doubt.
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    Re: Hillary will run again in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Surrealistik View Post
    Ojeda worked his way up from grunt to a rank of Major in the army, served in Korea, Honduras, Jordan, Haiti, Afghanistan, and Iraq over a 24 year career including in combat zones where friends of his died; he's definitely the real deal.

    TBH, whether Bernie ultimately runs I think depends on the field of candidates in the end; if he sees no suitable progressive to bear his torch, he will do whatever is necessary to step in (which I feel was the case last time), I have no doubt.
    Sanders did say this past weekend that he will announce who he will pick as his VP when or if he decides to announce. I think the idea is to have voters get behind him if he has a younger VP so the age thing wont be around his neck. That I would like to see. Tulsi or maybe even Ojeda would be interesting choices. I dont think Warren will get in if he does and her ancestry thing kind of hurt her. Her being a former republican also might not help her.

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    Re: Hillary will run again in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by pilot16 View Post
    Sanders did say this past weekend that he will announce who he will pick as his VP when or if he decides to announce. I think the idea is to have voters get behind him if he has a younger VP so the age thing wont be around his neck. That I would like to see. Tulsi or maybe even Ojeda would be interesting choices. I dont think Warren will get in if he does and her ancestry thing kind of hurt her. Her being a former republican also might not help her.
    I do think he needs to give his VP pick careful consideration, as it most definitely matters. I would be fine with either Tulsi or Ojeda, and I feel both, particularly Ojeda, would help him with the southern states and the rust belt.

    Warren I don't mind, but yeah, I think she has some exploitable aspects, and her brand among progressives has diminished per her complete lack of support of Bernie during the primaries and recent creep towards the center, while the establishment wing didn't particularly care for her in the first place as she actually took a meaningful stand against their megadonors from time to time; rock and a hard place situation.
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