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Make California Great Again....

noonereal said:
lol, you could not afford a hot dog there....

not for nothing, you have the wealthiest people on the PLANET in NYC, you really think they could not afford to live in a non shi%hole like Buffalo if they wanted?

Keep talking, I love when you people make fools of yourselves.
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Its kind of the same thing here in California, well more in the Bay Area.
 
noonereal said:
lol, you could not afford a hot dog there....

not for nothing, you have the wealthiest people on the PLANET in NYC, you really think they could not afford to live in a non shi%hole like Buffalo if they wanted?

Keep talking, I love when you people make fools of yourselves.
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Yep. There is a reason people are playing $9M and up for an apartment in the City these days.
 
Fledermaus said:
Reality is the basis. Knowledge of the recycling options available and the usage of said option..

Now, what is the fallacy?
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lol. simply claiming that is not an argument. that is the fallacy. i can claim, the opposite.

gossip, is easy; even wo-men can do that.
 
enderpotato00 said:
What will banning plastic straws accomplish? They only make up 1% of all ocean trash. We as a country, only contribute to 1% of the oceans plastic problem. Thus banning plastic straws is a stupid feel good tactic.
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One per cent is better than zero per cent. Every little bit helps keep our environment safe and clean.
 
enderpotato00 said:
Why don't you (and the other liberals, and illegal immigrants) leave, so we can rebuild this state
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Ok, so you want all the millionaires to leave. So you can rebuild the craphole state that runs the fifth largest economy in the world. Because you think those millionaires you want to leave should pay less taxes. And definitely those millionaires you want to leave should stop voting for people they trust to use their tax dollars in ways they want. Like helping the poor. Because we all know when you get a bunch of millionaires moving into your state looking to invest in the social infrastructures and actual infrastructures. It just goes downhill from there.

So basically, you want to curb people's freedom in California. Curb the free market. So that you can get rid of all the Capitalists making it to expensive. I want you to think about that. Just for a second. Who does that sound like from history...

Conservatives want a merit based society, yet when they live in one. And fall short. They want to call it a crap hole. Knock over the pile of cards because their card is on the bottom. And they feel they are Entitled to a better deal.

All this Trump bull****, is because people who claim to want a merit based society more than anything, lost out on the merit part. And now want to be propped up, while being told they deserve it.

At least with hand outs to the poor, we call it what it is, a handout out. What Trump supporters want is to piss down everyone's backs and have them say, boy, sure is rainy out today.

**** that. If you don't like a place, move. You are entitled to nothing. No one is required to care about you or your happiness. I hear Russia has everything you want in a government. Why not move there for a year, try it out.

Their economy is so ****ty, you can take your 6 month budget for living expenses in that craphole, and go someplace that caters to ultra conservative values and live like a king. Nevermind almost everyone in that country lives in abject poverty. It's got a horrendous life expectancy, the worst alcohol problem in the world, and rampant crime.

It's a Conservative utopia. Go there. Leave the craphole to the millionaires who want it.
 
enderpotato00 said:
California used to be a great state, now its a liberal ****hole. Your thoughts?
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Umm...Almost all of California's struggles came under Republican Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. After electing Jerry Brown(who by the way used to be governor back in the day when people like you seem to think it was great) the state has actually been kicking ass and doing very well for almost a decade now.
 
MrWonka said:
Umm...Almost all of California's struggles came under Republican Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. After electing Jerry Brown(who by the way used to be governor back in the day when people like you seem to think it was great) the state has actually been kicking ass and doing very well for almost a decade now.
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Yea, but Brown has made it worse.
 
MrWonka said:
Umm...Almost all of California's struggles came under Republican Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. After electing Jerry Brown(who by the way used to be governor back in the day when people like you seem to think it was great) the state has actually been kicking ass and doing very well for almost a decade now.
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Either simple ignorance or a lie.... Hmmmm
 
MrWonka said:
By literally every single solitary objective measure that you can use to judge the quality of a state you are wrong, and California is actually better.
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Better in taxation? No.

Better in "railways to nowhere"? No.

Better in homeless camps and feces and needles in the street? No.

Better business climate? No?

Shall I go on?
 
Fledermaus said:
Better in taxation? No.
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Yes, actually it is. Some people actually recognize the value in using tax dollars to invest in a state and avoid budget deficits.

Fledermaus said:
Better in "railways to nowhere"? No.
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Yes, actually while some infrastructure projects can be expensive there is little doubt that a cheap rail system would be widely beneficial to California. Kudos to them for being willing to lead on this type of thing despite the inevitable problems associated with trying something new and difficult.

Fledermaus said:
Better in homeless camps and feces and needles in the street? No.
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These problems existed under Arnold as well. The problem with a good climate and a good economy is you do tend to attract some homeless beggars, but that is not inherently bad.

Fledermaus said:
Better business climate? No?
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Do you just not know what Silicon Valley is? California now has a bigger economy than all but 5 individual nations.
 
MrWonka said:
Yes, actually it is. Some people actually recognize the value in using tax dollars to invest in a state and avoid budget deficits.


Yes, actually while some infrastructure projects can be expensive there is little doubt that a cheap rail system would be widely beneficial to California. Kudos to them for being willing to lead on this type of thing despite the inevitable problems associated with trying something new and difficult.


These problems existed under Arnold as well. The problem with a good climate and a good economy is you do tend to attract some homeless beggars, but that is not inherently bad.


Do you just not know what Silicon Valley is? California now has a bigger economy than all but 5 individual nations.
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The taxation has also resulted in many 1%ers bailing out increasing the middle class taxes. Sales tax, car tax, etc are amongst the highest in the nation. The gas tax was touted as being needed to repair the roads... Which is what the previous gas tax was supposed to be for but got siphoned off into other projects.

As to the "railway to nowhere" it was not a cheap rail system in ANY sense of the word. Nor is it high speed" which is what it was sold to the people as...

And the homeless/feces/needles problem existed during the time of Arnold and prior only to grow exponentially...

And yes I know what Silicon Valley is. Probably better than you. As I also know what impact three deep water ports have. And the major airports.

It is the 1% owners, investors and operators that drive much of the "top five" economic status you mention. All while the rank and file struggle with a dwindling manufacturing base.... You do know multiple major corporations and manufacturers have up and left California.. Right?



So, please tell us of YOUR first hand knowledge of California.
 
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MrWonka said:
Yes, actually it is. Some people actually recognize the value in using tax dollars to invest in a state and avoid budget deficits.
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Yeah, it balances the budget by conveniently leaving infrastructure repairs and construction out, and then assesses a new tax to pay for that. Spreadsheet legerdemain is a poor substitute for enlightened fiscal management.

MrWonka said:
Yes, actually while some infrastructure projects can be expensive there is little doubt that a cheap rail system would be widely beneficial to California. Kudos to them for being willing to lead on this type of thing despite the inevitable problems associated with trying something new and difficult.
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The rail system is not now nor ever will be "cheap".

MrWonka said:
These problems existed under Arnold as well. The problem with a good climate and a good economy is you do tend to attract some homeless beggars, but that is not inherently bad.


Do you just not know what Silicon Valley is? California now has a bigger economy than all but 5 individual nations.
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California DOES have a huge economy but it is very insular - high tech, aerospace, entertainment on one side and 1/3 of the nation's welfare cases and one fifth of children living in poverty on the other.
 
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