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Make California Great Again....

Some things to remember...

34% of the nation’s welfare recipients live in California but only 12% of the U.S. population resides here.

In the state of California, 55 percent of all immigrants are on public assistance.

California’s top tier income tax rate is the highest in the nation at 13.3 percent.

California’s top tier income tax rate kicks in at 1 Million.

Additional tiers.

$41,629 - $52,612 8.00%
$52,612 - $268,750 9.30%
$268,750 - $322,499 10.30%

Per capita, Californians pay $1,991 annually in state income taxes, which ranks fourth highest in the country.

By 2019, when you take all taxes and fees together in California, you get: 47.3/gallon cents in primary and secondary excise taxes.

Emergency Rooms all over the state have been closing since the 2000s as they have been swamped with non-paid balances.

In poll after poll the worst place to start a business is No. 50 California...

15.0 percent of motorists are uninsured. The percentage in Southern California much, much higher.

Illegal Immigration has depressed the wages of farm, construction and other jobs in California.

The list goes on, and on, and on....




And, YES, we are looking to move.

After a couple of kin die and we are no longer required to care for them.
 
Middleground said:
Paying taxes is part of what makes it great. A greater good society.
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The implicit assumption here, one that I'm challenging, is the assumption that paying more taxes makes for a better society.

The logical extension is that at 100% tax rate you'd have the best possible society. This seems rather communistic to me.

I think the best possibly society is one where the least amount of taxes are paid to provide the government services that are required of the population, that those funds are being spent wisely, cost efficiently, and with the greatest effect per dollar spending.

Just because there are high taxation rates doesn't necessarily mean that they are well spent, nor that society as a whole benefits from the high taxation and commensurate high government spending. I think this is a fallacy.
 
Middleground said:
It's the 5th largest economy in the world. Jeepers you have weird standards.
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If that's true, why are there so many homeless, why are there homeless allowed to use anywhere as a toilet and used needles littering everywhere?

If that's what a 5th largest economy looks like, i'd hate to see what kind of a dump the 1st largest looks like!
 
eohrnberger said:
Just because there are high taxation rates doesn't necessarily mean that they are well spent,
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I agree.

nor that society as a whole benefits from the high taxation and commensurate high government spending. I think this is a fallacy.
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You opinion does not match reality. The best countries in the world are the ones that are taxed higher.
 
calamity said:
Unlike the rest of the country, women can deliver babies there without dying.
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Just hope those women don't let their kids crawl in the grass. They might get pricked with a dirty needle or crawl in some homeless person's business.
 
Roadvirus said:
If that's true, why are there so many homeless, why are there homeless allowed to use anywhere as a toilet and used needles littering everywhere?

If that's what a 5th largest economy looks like, i'd hate to see what kind of a dump the 1st largest looks like!
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In any society there are going to be rich and poor. For the most part, many homeless suffer from other issues besides the lack of money. Especially those who come from highly taxed countries.
 
Middleground said:
I agree.
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Fair enough. A part were we are in agreement.

You opinion does not match reality. The best countries in the world are the ones that are taxed higher.
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I think that what's being missed is the effectiveness of that government spending as opposed to how much is being spent.

Would you agree to the concept that wise and effective spending need not be directly coupled to size of that spending?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I live here, too. In fact, I live in Los Angeles, Whittier to be exact. We pay our taxes. We enjoy what we get from them, too.
Life's great.
We used to live in Texas. Our house was MUCH MUCH cheaper down there! It really was!
In fact, it was so cheap that if we were to sell our house that we have here right now, we could buy back our old house in Mansfield, Texas right now CASH on the barrelhead, no mortgage, completely paid off, and we'd have a ton of money left over besides.

Only problem: My wife would go back to being a prisoner in the house half the year round due to the Saudi-Arabian weather, we'd be dreading tornado season twice a year, we'd be listening to neighbors who like cracking N-word jokes, and secessionist crackpots who want to go to war against the government, I'd be back to making alt-Right videos for a living (made a living doing Tea Party videos back then), I'd be driving 70 miles round trip every day that I work with my old partner, which means being stuck in bumper to bumper traffic for two hours in the afternoon...in short...we'd be miserable and the house wouldn't be adding much value, because it's a **** hole neighborhood even though it's almost brand new.
(Built in 2006)

That's why housing is cheap down there, it's North Texas.

Why don't YOU move down there! You'd LOVE IT!!
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Los Angeles. The very area I hate in this state.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Forgive me, but based on the sheer stupidity of your OP, I simpy don't believe you. You're not from here. You've never been here.

I'm from NorCal.

You just don't have what it takes to make it in either part of the state.

If you're actually here now? Pick yourself off and move to Oklahoma.
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Thats right, I'm only born here, and have Only lived in California. I live here dumbass. Just b/c of my statement, doesn't mean I've never lived here. I've been to cities like San Franscisco, they ain't ****ing pretty anymore. So many god damn homeless people there.
 
Chomsky said:
Maybe if you would've studied harder in school, worked harder in life, and made better decisions, you too could be living well!
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Nope, nope. Wrong. This state is only livable for the rich now.
 
enderpotato00 said:
Thats right, I'm only born here, and have Only lived in California. I live here dumbass. Just b/c of my statement, doesn't mean I've never lived here. I've been to cities like San Franscisco, they ain't ****ing pretty anymore. So many god damn homeless people there.
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If the housing market was not stuck with the bane of prop thirteen, we would not be stuck with property artificially frozen at 1970 levels until they actually passed on to new owners.
 
Fledermaus said:
Our taxes are going towards the High Speed Train to nowhere...
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The world's 40 largest mega-regions account for two-thirds of all the global economic activity and 85 percent of the world's technological innovation while housing just 18 percent of its people. So it makes perfect sense to install a high speed rail corridor in California.

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Texas, Arkansas and Oklahoma seem to be planning high speed rail corridors, only because these are in red states, people on the Right will refer to them as "important projects to promote freedom and prosperity."
 
eohrnberger said:
The implicit assumption here, one that I'm challenging, is the assumption that paying more taxes makes for a better society.

The logical extension is that at 100% tax rate you'd have the best possible society.
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That doesn't logical, it sounds like someone inflating a figure to an absurd level to make a gotcha point.
Reducto ad absurdum

Of course, since that supports your continual blanket assumption that all liberals are wannabe Communists, it's not surprising that you'd resort to such partisan hack tactics.

The truth is, because we pay somewhat more in taxes, we get somewhat more in services, but "somewhat more" is the key word here.
Like any real world logical extension, one might want to be mindful that there is a sweet spot, both in taxation, and in personal wealth, where one "has enough".
Most people would dream of having unlimited wealth but in reality they'd be satisfied to just "have enough" to have a decent life.
Most people would dream of not having to pay any taxes but in reality they're satisfied if they "pay enough" and they know that what they pay is being used wisely.

"Enough" is the key word.
It's the key word because it is in between "too little" and "too much".
The assumption is NOT that paying more and more and more taxes makes for a better society.
That would be the assumption in an idiotic argument.
In a logical argument the assumption would be that "paying ENOUGH" in taxes makes for a better society.

We pay enough in taxes. The fact that some might think we pay too much is accepted as par for the course, but that doesn't mean that EVERYONE believes we pay too much, it simply means that some would rather not pay any taxes at all.
Yeah, and my 25 year old daughter wants a Tesla Model S, too.

Maybe someday...
 
eohrnberger said:
Fair enough. A part were we are in agreement.



I think that what's being missed is the effectiveness of that government spending as opposed to how much is being spent.

Would you agree to the concept that wise and effective spending need not be directly coupled to size of that spending?
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Oh it's always good to argue that wise and effective spending be something to aspire to but what's also in question is whether or not we we spend enough to get the kinds of services that the majority of California want.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
If the housing market was not stuck with the bane of prop thirteen, we would not be stuck with property artificially frozen at 1970 levels until they actually passed on to new owners.
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We did manage to make some adjustments to the Jarvis Law but much of it is still hanging over our heads.
And yes, it is part of the reason why the housing market is the way it is. People are hoarding housing and property partly because of that reason.
 
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