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Don't Like Trump? Why?

Meseeks

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Aside from his personality, can anyone give me solid information on his policies and why you think they're bad for the United States?
 
Aside from his personality, can anyone give me solid information on his policies and why you think they're bad for the United States?

Trump is the magician's left hand, distracting folks with his childish behavior while the GOP and his cabinet move to dismantle policies that folks like me like and institute odious ones. That's no different than any other republican (elections have consequences) except that along the way he insults women, Muslims, blacks, Mexicans, lies about refugees, etc.

But to be specific about Donald: the catastrophe on the border, a re-run of last year's catastrophe at airports, withdrawal from the Paris and Iran agreements, weakening NATO, his disdain for courts and the rule of law, weakening worker safety regulations, his legitimizing (through his admiration) of brutal dictatorships, the fact that his constant lying may result in a "boy who cried wolf" effect where no one believes him when a crisis arrives, his rudeness to our allies in actions and words, all this and more make us disliked by folks around the world by people who normally admire our principles, and make dictators and torturers/murderers of their own people feel encouraged.

All bad for the U.S. Not for Donald and some of his admirers who both play the bullied victims, finally getting back at the big bad democracy/rule of law they distain. One hopes for an uneventful world through the course of his administration. And, of course, one counts on the media, Confress, and Americans' stubborn unwillingness to put up with prolonged idiocy.
 
I love the guy.He's doing a great job.He is making America great again.
 
Aside from his personality, can anyone give me solid information on his policies and why you think they're bad for the United States?

The latest wealthy tax breaks have only helped companies buy back stocks and hasn't transitioned to workers, his policies of insulting allies we've had for decades but kisses dictator's ass, Kissing up to Kim and claiming he denuclearized NK and ended the Korean war even though Kim still has his nuclear program and the war is not ended, even after shown that Russia did in fact meddle in the election won't call them out on it and still will meet with Putin, supporting Pruitt for so long and supporting gutting agencies, saying he will give a better healthcare solution than Obamacare that will cover EVERYONE but has failed at that and his solutions would end pre-existing conditions and cost people more, his policies of calling everything fake news when he doesn't like it but everything out of his mouth is fake news and his immigration stance of separating families and now cant get them back together after being ordered to do so.

Now even though this is just a sample, let's see the excuses from you.
 
I love the guy.He's doing a great job.He is making America great again.

Yep he's trying to Make America White Again, I'm sure you love that. Hows the klan meetings going for you?
 
Yep he's trying to Make America White Again, I'm sure you love that. Hows the klan meetings going for you?

And Making America Die Again as Asbestos Don, beloved in the Soviet Union 2.0.
 
It seems to me like a lot of this Pro/Anti-Trump feud is indeed stemmed in race and doesn't have much to do with our policies both domestic and abroad. I find this to be most true among the common people.




There's a lot of tension today that keeps fueling more incidents which in turn fuels both sides and the war continues on. The common white man backs Trump because they feel like they are being attacked by a black/latino uprising that is anti-white. I've seen this bring out more racial discussion in folks who otherwise never would have given race a second thought.


On the other side, we have the black/latino community becoming more and more agitated by the increased displays of racism found both on the net and in public.



Both sides here think that the others are trying to completely dominate the other which causes fear and leads to the kind of violence and hate on BOTH sides that we see today. We need to get to the point where we are willing to listen to one another and work together to move forward as Americans first, not White, Black, Muslim, Christian etc.




I asked about Trump because I legitimately want to know where people stand and why they believe in what they do. I don't know a damn thing about his policies as a President. I don't know much about the policies of any President for that matter. You need a team of lawyers to translate all the bills.



I only know what I see, and what I see is a nation divided between black and white that is going to defend whoever they think will help strike a blow against their opposition. This used to be just about red and blue, democrats and republicans....but it's so much more than that today. We've transcended beyond politics into a literal civil war.



What's it going to take for everyone to just step back and take a good look at the big picture? Most of the time it takes a lot of pain and suffering. We know this from history. Why insist on waiting for the inevitable cataclysm? Is this the only way for humans to see outside themselves? I can't use the word learn because clearly we haven't learned anything yet if we can't recognize what's going on and hit the brakes.
 
It seems to me like a lot of this Pro/Anti-Trump feud is indeed stemmed in race and doesn't have much to do with our policies both domestic and abroad. I find this to be most true among the common people.

A lot? Two people thus far mentioned race...
 
I you dont support open borders or nearly open borders you will likely get called a racist now, and many people will try very hard to ignore you.

This is were we are now, ideas that re not wanted get labeled garbage and are disposed of without examination.

Those who promote this "garbage" are told to shut up.

They are defective garbage without speech rights.

We really do suck now.





EDIT: I was trying to point out that this is the sort of thing Trump gets wrapped in, and that it happens because so many brains are warped.
 
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Aside from his personality, can anyone give me solid information on his policies and why you think they're bad for the United States?

His continuous attempts to undermine the ACA, without offering an alternative, are very bad for those that depend on the program for healthcare entirely or subsidies for their healthcare. His policy of family separation at the border was needlessly inhumane and obviously short-sighted given the trouble they are having reunifying the families. The trade war he seems intent on igniting has the potential to hurt a hell of a lot of the American people. His Supreme Court just recently attacked labor unions with their Janus ruling. Declining union power is pretty often considered one of the reasons that worker's wages have been stagnant for decades. His tax cuts have already shifted the conversation towards cutting the social safety net. All of these things are either just disgusting, family separation, or they directly negatively impact the working people in this country. If he had not inherited an economy that was slowly moving in the right direction anyways his approval would be even worse than it is now.
 
Aside from his personality, can anyone give me solid information on his policies and why you think they're bad for the United States?

you need to go back 35-40 years and view Trump thru' the lense of his experience, how he treated others, the track record of contempt Trump has for other humans, how he manipulates people & how Trump ****s on them. Maybe once you educate yourself on how Trump really has been his entire life, then you can get a taste for how Trump really has no regard for anyone BUT himself.

The fact that this individual is POTUS & has nuclear weapons at his beck & call is just beyond the real life ****ing horror story that it IS.

Good luck in your research, if you are so inclined ...........
 
I love the guy.He's doing a great job.He is making America great again.

No, his foreign policies and attitude seem to be: "You think you have seen the "Ugly American" before? Suck on this, assholes." The phrase is really, MAHA, "Make America Hate (and Hated) Again."
 
I can agree that he has no place in the White House regardless of anyone's political view solely based on is methods of diplomacy. So let's shift the conversation slightly away from Trump for a moment and tackle the greater beast that is Blue vs Red.

Can anyone give some insight as to why we have this gang-like mentality between these two parties? One thing I have noticed is that there just seems to be no middle ground. Blue wants what it wants, no compromises and Red wants the same. No wonder there's so much fighting and name calling.

How did we divert from the path of learning to work together both in every day life and in Washington? Not only can we not agree on much these days, but our "protests" are becoming a little too close to how things are handled countries who are constantly in a state of civil war.

Some say be active! Get out and Vote!


Vote for what? We're only going to keep voting for the same types of politicians to continue the same fight.



We're all looking to Washington like they're going to fix everything on their own, but the problems aren't in Washington. The biggest problem we have is ourselves. US... You.. Me... The guy next door. All of us.


If we want America to see the light of a brighter future, then we have to be willing to make the changes necessary to make that happen and not without compromise.


Do we have the courage to bring up these issues in our town/city meetings or to create meetings solely for the purpose of having this discussion? That's no short order...to bring up controversial subjects in a time where everything we say and do is recorded and unforgivingly held against us.


Is it any surprise that we all flock to our keyboards to talk about these things instead of doing it face to face? If we thought that standing up for what's right was hard BEFORE youtube and smartphones, imagine how hard it is to do now. What does any of this say to you?


To me, as I write this, it tells me that we can start by treating each other better. Who hasn't read about the Salem Witch trials or the Holocaust in school and thought to themselves, "how can people act like this" or felt rage whenever we learned about any kind of mob mentality where people took pleasure in the suffering of others.


Future history books will show us stomping and beating on one another in our own streets and neighborhoods and those kids will wonder "how can people act like this".
 
Aside from his personality, can anyone give me solid information on his policies and why you think they're bad for the United States?

Trump/GOP policy is bad for anyone who isn't a part of the .01%. They've managed to trick the evangelicals, but that doesn't make the policies actually good for them.
 
Yep he's trying to Make America White Again, I'm sure you love that. Hows the klan meetings going for you?

Hows the LBGTQ meetings going with you?
 
Hows the LBGTQ meetings going with you?

Great, I have plenty of LGBT friends that my wife and I support. Thanks for asking.
 
Aside from his personality, can anyone give me solid information on his policies and why you think they're bad for the United States?

I prefer my president be tough on Russians and not the FBI, CIA, DOJ and American Media.

But hey :shrug: maybe that's just me
 
I wasn't referring to this thread specifically. I mean in general based on personal experience.

A lot of people in posts above named much that I agreed with but here's more:

The endless and almost peristaltic drive to privatize all areas of the public sector, public goods and services, including Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and VA.
My wife is a 100% service connected disabled Navy veteran who depends upon the excellent care she gets from the VA Health Care System and if that is privatized, overwhelming evidence from every single veterans group in existence points to a catastrophe in the making, as private medicine cannot begin to meet the specialized needs of millions of disabled military veterans who currently receive good care now in the present system.

The ONLY group that feels differently is the Koch Brothers funded "Concerned Veterans for America" which primarily represents private hedge fund managers and private medical insurers despite their claims of being "a veterans group" and who stand to profit in the hundreds of billions from doing away with the VA system.

The current Trump position is to privatize every aspect of modern life to the maximum extent possible.
This is a death move for all but the wealthiest at the topmost elite segments of society.

Roads, highways, postal, infrastructure, education, all of the above and more will become unaffordable luxuries rather than accessible public goods used by the largest number of Americans.
Transferring Social Security to a Wall Street investment cartel almost guarantees that funds will no longer be available in short order, as a certain economic downturn will cause that money to evaporate in an instant with no recourse or guarantee to those who have invested a lifetime's contributions.

Women, minorities, immigrants, (even legal ones) and non-religious are slated to become second class citizens at risk of having their rights stripped altogether.

Sorry but I did not sign up for an America that resembles a cross between The Hunger Games and The Handmaid's Tale.
That leads me to The Dominionists, the hardcore radicalized evangelical fundamentalists who worship Trump as a deity.

1. In order for them to succeed in implementing right wing authoritarian fascist theocracy and rule by wealthy oligarchy, SECULAR DEMOCRACY MUST BE DESTROYED, and it must be destroyed with the consent of the governed.

2. Once that happens, civil society, civil order and the rule of law will collapse.

3. The people will BEG for a strongman to restore order from the chaos.

4. This is THE DOMINIONIST movement's MOMENT, when they march in on white steeds like SAVIORS, and promise to restore order IF the people will ACCEPT their rule.

5. According to Dominionists:
The poor ARE poor because, according to THEIR interpretation of scripture, they are WICKED.
The poor are poor because they are wicked. Get that THROUGH your HEADS, it is repeated every Sunday in their sermons all over the country.
The righteous shall rule over the wicked, the wicked shall have their wealth transferred to the righteous.
Anyone, ANYBODY, who opposes their theology, rich OR poor, are THE WICKED.

6. The weapon they are using to destroy democracy IS DONALD TRUMP.

The holy roller Dominionists don't embrace Donald Trump for his FAITH, they embrace him for his POWER, his power to help them achieve their agenda. He is their VIRUS, their weapon of mass destruction. The Trump Chaos Tornado is meant to destroy democracy. That is its purpose.

The billionaires are perfectly fine with this because they share common cause with the holy rollers. They are even more insulated from the law in a theocracy than they are in a democracy, and so as long as the authoritarians aren't Marxist, they're perfectly fine with the idea.
 
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@Checkerboard Strangler,

That's an awful lot to chew on. I get a lot of answers like this when I ask any kind of political question, but they don't really do me any good if I have no idea what they're talking about. Can you put some of your points into format that's easier for the every day person who doesn't follow politics to understand and maybe cite some sources?
 
a president who cared about America more than his global investments would be nice too.
 
That's no different than any other republican (elections have consequences) except that along the way he insults women, Muslims, blacks, Mexicans, lies about refugees, etc.

But to be specific about Donald: the catastrophe on the border, a re-run of last year's catastrophe at airports, withdrawal from the Paris and Iran agreements, weakening NATO, his disdain for courts and the rule of law, weakening worker safety regulations, his legitimizing (through his admiration) of brutal dictatorships, the fact that his constant lying may result in a "boy who cried wolf" effect where no one believes him when a crisis arrives, his rudeness to our allies in actions and words, all this and more make us disliked by folks around the world by people who normally admire our principles, and make dictators and torturers/murderers of their own people feel encouraged.

Let's review......you say " he insults women, Muslims, blacks, Mexicans, lies about refugees, etc. "

There must be a bunch of examples you can give.....please back up your claim with a bunch of actual quotes with LINKS to those quotes.

LOL! You can't.

Next.....you say, "catastrophe at the border." So keeping the border secure is somehow a catastrophe?

LOL! Only for illegal aliens.

Next.....you say, "catastrophe at airports." LOL! The Supreme Court upheld his ban on problematic countries.

Next.....you say, "withdrawal from the Paris and Iran agreements....."Huh? That was GOOD for America. Those agreements did us harm.

Next.....you say, "weakening NATO"....." but he has actually strengthened NATO by increasing funding as he pressured freeloaders to pay their fair share.

Next.....you say, "his disdain for courts and the rule of law"......but the Supreme Court is backing him up......sort of ruins your fake news, doesn't it? :D

Next.....you say, "weakening worker safety regulations....." That's new.....do you have proof?

Next.....you say, "his legitimizing (through his admiration) of brutal dictatorships, the fact that his constant lying may result in a "boy who cried wolf" effect where no one believes him when a crisis arrives, his rudeness to our allies in actions and words, all this and more make us disliked by folks around the world by people who normally admire our principles, and make dictators and torturers/murderers of their own people feel encouraged." LOL!

Do you have any actual evidence that he has done ANY of that?

Other than what you might call "Rudeness" and I would call honesty.......You can't provide proof of any of this, can you. :mrgreen:

You are just re-babbling the nonsensical babble you see in the media and believe because you WANT it to be true.

But......it's fake news.

You are indeed highly entertaining.......but pathetic in your total dishonesty and regurgitation of lies.
 
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