She sold one child for $2,500 — and planned to sell two more to pay off drug debt

MrMike · Jul 9, 2018

How sad. Poor kids...

She sold one child for $2,500 — and planned to sell two more to pay off drug debt

Esmerelda Garza, 29, and her boyfriend owed money for drugs, police say. And she was willing to sell anything, or anyone, to pay it off, according to the affidavit.

Troopers with Texas' Department of Public Safety arrested Garza and two others Friday as she attempted to complete the sale of her 7-year-old son to knock $2,500 off that debt, according to KIII-TV.

They executed a search warrant at a home near Corpus Christi on Friday. A woman in that home admitted to police that she bought the boy from Garza for that sum, according to the Corpus Christi Caller-Times.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article214387149.html

cuban smokes · Jul 9, 2018

some people would call that adoption ............. jus' sayin' ................ there may be a 'legal' difference but it's still the same thing ..............

justabubba · Jul 9, 2018

her 'inventory' is too easy to come by
hell, we have to get a permit to go fishing yet any fool with a viable womb - such as the subject of that article - can get pregnant and give births to wards of the state

Captain Adverse · Jul 9, 2018

cuban smokes said:
some people would call that adoption ............. jus' sayin' ................ there may be a 'legal' difference but it's still the same thing ..............

IMO only those people who consider children "chattel," who can be bought, sold, and traded like any other commodity. You know, as in "human trafficking?" :roll:

"Hey hon, we need some more money for drugs...which kid should we sell this time?" :doh

cuban smokes · Jul 9, 2018

Captain Adverse said:
IMO only those people who consider children "chattel," who can be bought, sold, and traded like any other commodity. You know, as in "human trafficking?" :roll:

"Hey hon, we need some more money for drugs...which kid should we sell this time?" :doh

30 Reasons Why Women "Give a Child Up" for Adoption

https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/reasons-to-give-your-child-up-for-adoption

reason # 3: she can't afford to raise the baby

economics is economics; some folks make ****ty choices on the front end/some folks make ****ty choices on the back end ...........

.......... that is called reality .........

calamity · Jul 9, 2018

Why should a mother not be allowed to sell her child?

Assume its sold to a loving parent. We have laws against abusing children, sex crap and other illegal use of child. I'm talking a legal transaction where one person who has a child they do not want sells it to someone who wants it.

Fledermaus · Jul 9, 2018

calamity said:
Why should a mother not be allowed to sell her child?

Assume its sold to a loving parent. We have laws against abusing children, sex crap and other illegal use of child. I'm talking a legal transaction where one person who has a child they do not want sells it to someone who wants it.

It depends on the state.

Master PO · Jul 9, 2018

Captain Adverse said:
IMO only those people who consider children "chattel," who can be bought, sold, and traded like any other commodity. You know, as in "human trafficking?" :roll:

"Hey hon, we need some more money for drugs...which kid should we sell this time?" :doh

one thing ICE does is arrest people who engage in human trafficking

Master PO · Jul 9, 2018

calamity said:
Why should a mother not be allowed to sell her child?

Assume its sold to a loving parent. We have laws against abusing children, sex crap and other illegal use of child. I'm talking a legal transaction where one person who has a child they do not want sells it to someone who wants it.

:doh...

Captain Adverse · Jul 9, 2018

cuban smokes said:
30 Reasons Why Women "Give a Child Up" for Adoption

https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/reasons-to-give-your-child-up-for-adoption

reason # 3: she can't afford to raise the baby

economics is economics; some folks make ****ty choices on the front end/some folks make ****ty choices on the back end ...........

.......... that is called reality .........

And NONE of those reasons turns a child into a commodity! :doh

calamity said:
Why should a mother not be allowed to sell her child?

Assume its sold to a loving parent. We have laws against abusing children, sex crap and other illegal use of child. I'm talking a legal transaction where one person who has a child they do not want sells it to someone who wants it.

Simply because children are not property, a mere commodity to be bought and sold. How is that so hard to understand?

It is one thing for a woman to give up a child because of the reasons listed in post #5...quite another to make a PROFIT by doing so!

What's to stop women from turning themselves into "baby factories," bringing personally unwanted children into the world simply to sell to the highest bidder?

There are literally MILLIONS of orphans around this world who go wanting for a good family placement; many ending up instead being used and abused, sex slaves or criminals often as not sold as callously as by the "parents" in the OP article.

Yet we seem to have Forum members arguing that "selling" children is a good thing, depending on the needs of the parent to make some profit out of the deal. :doh

It is one thing to give up a child for adoption because one cannot care for it themselves, quite another to SELL one for profit.

Sampson Simpson · Jul 9, 2018

cuban smokes said:
some people would call that adoption ............. jus' sayin' ................ there may be a 'legal' difference but it's still the same thing ..............

Or what about surrogates that gets 10s of thousands of dollars to incubate other people's babies

cuban smokes · Jul 9, 2018

Captain Adverse said:
And NONE of those reasons turns a child into a commodity! :doh

Simply because children are not property, a mere commodity to be bought and sold. How is that so hard to understand?

It is one thing for a woman to give up a child because of the reasons listed in post #5...quite another to make a PROFIT by doing so!

What's to stop women from turning themselves into "baby factories," bringing personally unwanted children into the world simply to sell to the highest bidder?

There are literally MILLIONS of orphans around this world who go wanting for a good family placement; many ending up instead being used and abused, sex slaves or criminals often as not sold as callously as by the "parents" in the OP article.

Yet we seem to have Forum members arguing that "selling" children is a good thing, depending on the needs of the parent to make some profit out of the deal. :doh

It is one thing to give up a child for adoption because one cannot care it themselves, quite another to SELL one for profit.

the situation is STILL economics

in one situation the 'mother' is offering to have the child adopted to save herself from spending $$$$, thus it is an economic decision

in the other situation the mother is offering to sale the child for $$$, thus it is an economic decision

like I said B 4; there may be a 'legal' difference but it's still the same thing

I know that may be difficult to grasp but ..........

Captain Adverse · Jul 9, 2018

Sampson Simpson said:
Or what about surrogates that gets 10s of thousands of dollars to incubate other people's babies

NOT "the same thing." :no:

The child incubating in a surrogate is typically created via artificial insemination of the donor parent's egg and sperm, and then implanting the fertilized egg in the surrogate to bring to term.

The surrogate is being paid to incubate the baby. In the procedure I described the child is not hers, she has simply contracted to endure the procedure. As I support a woman's right to control her own body, I see nothing wrong with THIS procedure.

I don't see this as the same as a woman getting pregnant, then selling one's own child for profit.

ALiberalModerate · Jul 9, 2018

cuban smokes said:
some people would call that adoption ............. jus' sayin' ................ there may be a 'legal' difference but it's still the same thing ..............

It is not in any way the same thing.

ALiberalModerate · Jul 9, 2018

calamity said:
Why should a mother not be allowed to sell her child?

You do not own your children. You cannot own a human being.

calamity · Jul 9, 2018

SouthernDemocrat said:
You do not own your children. You cannot own a human being.

You do realize children are sold via third-party agents all the time. The only people banned from making money off of the deal are the parents.

Check out the going rate for a Chinese baby these days.

ALiberalModerate · Jul 9, 2018

calamity said:
You do realize children are sold via third-party agents all the time. The only people banned from making money off of the deal are the parents.

Check out the going rate for a Chinese baby these days.

We have adopted from China twice. We did not buy our kids.

The vast majority of adoption expenses are for travel, the preparation of the dossier, fees related to their U.S. immigration and so on. The actual fees to the Chinese Social Welfare agency are relatively small in comparison.

Harshaw · Jul 9, 2018

cuban smokes said:
some people would call that adoption ............. jus' sayin' ................ there may be a 'legal' difference but it's still the same thing ..............

This may be the dumbest comment you've ever made.

calamity · Jul 9, 2018

SouthernDemocrat said:
We have adopted from China twice. We did not buy our kids.

The vast majority of adoption expenses are for travel, the preparation of the dossier, fees related to their U.S. immigration and so on. The actual fees to the Chinese Social Welfare agency are relatively small in comparison.

Fees way over $20K, from what I heard recently.

holbritter · Jul 9, 2018

MrMike said:
How sad. Poor kids...

She sold one child for $2,500 — and planned to sell two more to pay off drug debt

Esmerelda Garza, 29, and her boyfriend owed money for drugs, police say. And she was willing to sell anything, or anyone, to pay it off, according to the affidavit.

Troopers with Texas' Department of Public Safety arrested Garza and two others Friday as she attempted to complete the sale of her 7-year-old son to knock $2,500 off that debt, according to KIII-TV.

They executed a search warrant at a home near Corpus Christi on Friday. A woman in that home admitted to police that she bought the boy from Garza for that sum, according to the Corpus Christi Caller-Times.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article214387149.html

Pathetic excuse for a human being, let alone a mother. Selling her children to pay a drug debt....she should be sterilized.

vesper · Jul 9, 2018

Gosh this is a horrible story but unfortunately when it comes to people strung out on drugs their lives are full of horrible stories that burden, hurt and devastate everyone around them.

Here's hoping all her children have been taken from her and she is sitting in a cell someplace in Texas going through a most horrific detox right now.

SDET · Jul 9, 2018

cuban smokes said:
30 Reasons Why Women "Give a Child Up" for Adoption

https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/reasons-to-give-your-child-up-for-adoption

reason # 3: she can't afford to raise the baby

economics is economics; some folks make ****ty choices on the front end/some folks make ****ty choices on the back end ...........

.......... that is called reality .........

That's a load of crap. I have seen mothers raise a child on $30 per month. Where there's a will, there's a way.

Roadvirus · Jul 9, 2018

MrMike said:
How sad. Poor kids...

She sold one child for $2,500 — and planned to sell two more to pay off drug debt

Esmerelda Garza, 29, and her boyfriend owed money for drugs, police say. And she was willing to sell anything, or anyone, to pay it off, according to the affidavit.

Troopers with Texas' Department of Public Safety arrested Garza and two others Friday as she attempted to complete the sale of her 7-year-old son to knock $2,500 off that debt, according to KIII-TV.

They executed a search warrant at a home near Corpus Christi on Friday. A woman in that home admitted to police that she bought the boy from Garza for that sum, according to the Corpus Christi Caller-Times.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article214387149.html

Toss both of them in jail and flush the key.

Some people shouldn't be allowed to have children.

Roadvirus · Jul 9, 2018

cuban smokes said:
some people would call that adoption ............. jus' sayin' ................ there may be a 'legal' difference but it's still the same thing ..............

The legal term is "Human Trafficking". It's a crime.

Lovebug · Jul 9, 2018

Fledermaus said:
It depends on the state.

Selling a child is a third-degree felony in Texas.

I feel bad for the mother and the kids. Desperate people.

She sold one child for $2,500 — and planned to sell two more to pay off drug debt

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