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    Re: Ft Myers rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    It's rare in your world for people to hate enemies of the United States? Hmm. Seems to me the problem is the people you surround yourself with rather than anything else.
    We're talking about current American citizens here. They are not enemies of the US. Someone's pulling your leg.


    There's a big difference between "remembering your ancestors" and "celebrating hundreds of years of brutal oppression, the murders of US troops, and treason" which is what these monuments--- and the Neo Confederate movement as a whole--- is about. In case you missed it, Robert E Lee himself said that celebrating the Confederacy would be bad for the country-- he was against monuments to the slavers.
    That's what they're doing -- remembering their ancestors -- no one is "celebrating hundreds of years of brutal oppression." Get real.

    Oh, I do hate the Nazis, the Imperial Japanese, etc. The thing is(other than the fact that many Neo Confederates also deeply admire Nazi Germany) is that you don't have people trying to set up monuments celebrating Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

    But I get it. You think it's "loony" to hate enemies of the United States. Like I said....I can't wait for your denunciation of those who hate ISIS and Al Qaeda.
    It's loony to hate -- period. It's self-defeating. That's why I don't do it.

    The same sort of consideration, empathy, understanding and respect the Confederacy totally denied loyal Americans and that their followers continued to deny Americans their rights for a century after the war until forced practically at bayonet point to stop their crap.
    Good golly, you really can't stop, can you? You just go on and on an on in an attempt to justify your hatred. Over 150 years have passed -- years that you never experienced -- yet you're going to hang onto that hatred like a pit bull hangs on to a bone. Suit yourself. It's your loss.

    And it's exactly like you don't give a damn about those people-- you are too busy worrying about the feelings of the poor Klansmen whose idols are being taken down.
    The interesting thing is that your narrow-minded perspective is not far removed from the klansmen of old. They, like you, harbored hatred without justification. And, you see where that got us?

    Lol what a patheticly weak argument. How many statues of Hitler are there again? How many people do you think don't know who he is? Arguing that removing monuments to terrorism and tyranny is "erasing history" is foolish at best.

    Here's the thing. Unlike you, I don't consider support for slavery, terrorism, and brutal oppression to be acceptable.
    This is your fatal mistake. You think the people who appreciate those statues consider "slavery, terrorism and brutal oppression" to be acceptable. But, they don't. They just want to honor their ancestors, whether or not you think they should. And, interestingly enough, the 1st Amendment allows them to honor those ancestors.

    You have no moral high ground.

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    Re: Ft Myers rally

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    We're talking about current American citizens here. They are not enemies of the US. Someone's pulling your leg.




    That's what they're doing -- remembering their ancestors -- no one is "celebrating hundreds of years of brutal oppression." Get real.



    It's loony to hate -- period. It's self-defeating. That's why I don't do it.



    Good golly, you really can't stop, can you? You just go on and on an on in an attempt to justify your hatred. Over 150 years have passed -- years that you never experienced -- yet you're going to hang onto that hatred like a pit bull hangs on to a bone. Suit yourself. It's your loss.



    The interesting thing is that your narrow-minded perspective is not far removed from the klansmen of old. They, like you, harbored hatred without justification. And, you see where that got us?



    This is your fatal mistake. You think the people who appreciate those statues consider "slavery, terrorism and brutal oppression" to be acceptable. But, they don't. They just want to honor their ancestors, whether or not you think they should. And, interestingly enough, the 1st Amendment allows them to honor those ancestors.

    You have no moral high ground.
    Yet they celebrate the murder of US troops as well as terrorism and oppression of loyal Americans. That doesn't sound like decent human beings, much less loyal Americans.

    https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/54426...emacist-future

    Hmm.....looks like the only time these individuals think it's worth "remembering" their slaver ancestors is when minorities want to exercise their constitutional rights. Your excuses for the defense are getting weaker and weaker.

    Well guess what--- despite your personal opinion, hating enemies of the United States is not "self defeating".

    And you continue to toss out pathetically weak defenses for your beloved slaver monuments. Your slaver loving pals continued to murder and rape with impunity for more than a century after the war. It took paratroopers to keep your slaver loving pals from attacking kids for daring to go to high school. People like you, who glibly expect everyone to just "get over" terrorism, murder and oppression, have no room to talk.

    Ah yes, the "if you hate the Klan you are just as bad as them" line. Spare me the bull****. It's not just wrong, it's pathetically wrong.

    And as I just showed, the massive spikes in construction of your precious slaver monuments during periods where minorities were advocating for their rights---rights they were unjustly denied by your slaver loving pals---show the exact problem with your excuses. They simply don't hold water.

    You are defending people who routinely blew up little kids, on top of the slavery and oppression. Your opinion on "the moral high ground" is so far out of reality it's not even funny.

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    Re: Ft Myers rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Yet they celebrate the murder of US troops as well as terrorism and oppression of loyal Americans. That doesn't sound like decent human beings, much less loyal Americans.

    https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/54426...emacist-future

    Hmm.....looks like the only time these individuals think it's worth "remembering" their slaver ancestors is when minorities want to exercise their constitutional rights. Your excuses for the defense are getting weaker and weaker.

    Well guess what--- despite your personal opinion, hating enemies of the United States is not "self defeating".

    And you continue to toss out pathetically weak defenses for your beloved slaver monuments. Your slaver loving pals continued to murder and rape with impunity for more than a century after the war. It took paratroopers to keep your slaver loving pals from attacking kids for daring to go to high school. People like you, who glibly expect everyone to just "get over" terrorism, murder and oppression, have no room to talk.

    Ah yes, the "if you hate the Klan you are just as bad as them" line. Spare me the bull****. It's not just wrong, it's pathetically wrong.

    And as I just showed, the massive spikes in construction of your precious slaver monuments during periods where minorities were advocating for their rights---rights they were unjustly denied by your slaver loving pals---show the exact problem with your excuses. They simply don't hold water.

    You are defending people who routinely blew up little kids, on top of the slavery and oppression. Your opinion on "the moral high ground" is so far out of reality it's not even funny.
    Look, there's no reasoning with you, that's obvious, so this is going to be my last post on the subject. Suffice it to say that I think your level of hatred approaches extremism. I'm not interested in playing into your obsession.

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    Re: Ft Myers rally

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    Look, there's no reasoning with you, that's obvious, so this is going to be my last post on the subject. Suffice it to say that I think your level of hatred approaches extremism. I'm not interested in playing into your obsession.
    Yes, I think everyone gets that you are too busy crying about your precious slaver loving pals to comprehend why people hate the Confederacy and Neo Confederates. Unfortunately for you people are only growing less tolerant of the legacy of racism, oppression, terrorism and tyranny that the Confederacy--- and the monuments--- represents.

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    Re: Ft Myers rally

    "The principle for which we contended is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form." Jefferson Davis, after the defeat of the CSA.

    Worshipping the mythology of the so-called Lost Cause is just a pretense. As Robert Penn Warren wrote in The Legacy of the Civil War, "We may say that only at the moment when Lee handed Grant his sword was the Confederacy born; or to state matters in another way, in the moment of death the Confederacy entered upon its immortality."

    And if that doesn't make the statues and rhetoric of preserving history a myth, a failed creed and a shameful ideology, read the "Confederate Catechism."

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    Re: Ft Myers rally

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    No, the only sad bit is that you had to wildly extrapolate and pretend that I was referring to women and children when I had specifically stated what I did in the context of Lee, not the general populce.

    You're obsessed with not appearing foolish, and you've now come out on the side of honoring treason and traitors.

    Go ahead and have the last word. I'm through exposing your dishonesty.
    Like I said, be more precise next time and its probably going to save you this same embarrassment from happening again. When you say "All of them" without stating exactly who "all of them" is going to be. Don't be surprised when someone pokes a hole in your own royal **** up. Admit to what you screwed up on and at least try to save some face next time.

    Also claiming that I have honored treason in some way is just another crude cover up for your own mistakes. So I would advise you to grow up on that regard as well.

    Being away for work, only to return to this poor display was not a highlight of my night.
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