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iguanaman said:
Mueller is investigating why Trump was elected. Let's wait for his conclusion OK? Meanwhile we will see in a few months if Trump and his goons are really as popular as you think. When the Dems take back the House you will be singing different tune.
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Keep hope alive.
 
rocket88 said:
You know, there's very few statues of Hitler. And as we all know, everybody has forgotten all about him.
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Comparing some Confederate leader to Hitler isn't really all that equal.
 
HowardBThiname said:
This post is indicative of the kind of thing that is creating racial division in our nation. Those "losers" as you like to call them, are the ancestors of millions of Americans. But, you want to re-fight the Civil War today. What craziness is that? What lunacy?

Perhaps we should also get rid of all Native American symbols since those "losers" who fought against early Americans shouldn't be "coddled," as you say.

Something is broken in you, dude.

Something important.
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What's "lunacy" is worshipping the people who murdered hundreds of thousands of American soldiers and sailors in a desperate attempt to preserve slavery.

There is no reason to coddle those who admire traitors who continued to brutally oppress Americans for a century after the war was over.
 
Tigerace117 said:
What's "lunacy" is worshipping the people who murdered hundreds of thousands of American soldiers and sailors in a desperate attempt to preserve slavery.
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"Worship" and "respect" are two very different things.

There is no reason to coddle those who admire traitors who continued to brutally oppress Americans for a century after the war was over.
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It's interesting how quickly hatred grows. Until Obama said there was no longer a reason to have the Confederate Flag flying in certain public places, most folks thought of the flag as a symbol of rebellion, and teens, especially liked it. But Obama said it and the brainless minions flew into action - protesting - defacing - shaming. And now, a couple of years down the road, those who previously hadn't given the idea any thought, are taking part in name-calling and pure hatred. So much hatred, it virtually drips from posts such as yours.

Once again, I would point to the difference between Jimmy Carter, who tried to be the peacemaker, and those who spread seeds of hatred today.

We live in interesting times.
 
HowardBThiname said:
"Worship" and "respect" are two very different things.



It's interesting how quickly hatred grows. Until Obama said there was no longer a reason to have the Confederate Flag flying in certain public places, most folks thought of the flag as a symbol of rebellion, and teens, especially liked it. But Obama said it and the brainless minions flew into action - protesting - defacing - shaming. And now, a couple of years down the road, those who previously hadn't given the idea any thought, are taking part in name-calling and pure hatred. So much hatred, it virtually drips from posts such as yours.

Once again, I would point to the difference between Jimmy Carter, who tried to be the peacemaker, and those who spread seeds of hatred today.

We live in interesting times.
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There's no reason to "respect" the Confederacy either.

It's interesting how some think the murder of US troops, slavery, and brutal oppression is no big deal. Yes, lots of idiots loved the Confederate flag--- especially the Klansmen and their ilk. Obama merely pointing the blindingly obvious, and the Neo Confederates-- people who already despised the man because of his skin color-- went into hysterics.

Yes, I get that you think it's bad thing to hate people who murder US troops. I can't wait to hear your denunciations of those who despise Nazis, ISIS, and Al Qaedea next.

Yes, it's quite "interesting" the lengths those who worship slavers will go to defend that tyrannical regime.
 
Tigerace117 said:
There's no reason to "respect" the Confederacy either.

It's interesting how some think the murder of US troops, slavery, and brutal oppression is no big deal. Yes, lots of idiots loved the Confederate flag--- especially the Klansmen and their ilk. Obama merely pointing the blindingly obvious, and the Neo Confederates-- people who already despised the man because of his skin color-- went into hysterics.
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Unbelievable, the hatred you possess. If you ever wonder where the hatred comes from that drives mass shootings and gangland shootings, just look within your own psyche.

Yes, I get that you think it's bad thing to hate people who murder US troops. I can't wait to hear your denunciations of those who despise Nazis, ISIS, and Al Qaedea next.

Yes, it's quite "interesting" the lengths those who worship slavers will go to defend that tyrannical regime.
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I've already said "unbelievable." There's very little else to say at this point. I will add, however, that people with your attitude are part of the problem and not the solution.
 
HowardBThiname said:
"Worship" and "respect" are two very different things.



It's interesting how quickly hatred grows. Until Obama said there was no longer a reason to have the Confederate Flag flying in certain public places, most folks thought of the flag as a symbol of rebellion, and teens, especially liked it. But Obama said it and the brainless minions flew into action - protesting - defacing - shaming. And now, a couple of years down the road, those who previously hadn't given the idea any thought, are taking part in name-calling and pure hatred. So much hatred, it virtually drips from posts such as yours.

Once again, I would point to the difference between Jimmy Carter, who tried to be the peacemaker, and those who spread seeds of hatred today.

We live in interesting times.
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So on my way to work I had a pick up truck beside me. Mexican flag defacing his license plate ( very small, but present ), Putin/Trump and such stickers all over his truck. At the next stop light, and right in front of this truck, some poor dear couldn't get his car to go. You should have heard the guy in the truck (windows open). Nice guy.
No, I'm not saying that all anti Trump people are like that, but dang...
 
Lovebug said:
So on my way to work I had a pick up truck beside me. Mexican flag defacing his license plate ( very small, but present ), Putin/Trump and such stickers all over his truck. At the next stop light, and right in front of this truck, some poor dear couldn't get his car to go. You should have heard the guy in the truck (windows open). Nice guy.
No, I'm not saying that all anti Trump people are like that, but dang...
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Gosh darn -- I hate it when that happens. Some folks seem a little "off," I mean, they just carry their opinions and emotions to extremes - no time to help others - no respect. And, they exude an in-your-face rudeness, such as the guy you mentioned. They lack the ability to see any situation from the other guy's point of view. I always wonder what their life has been like for them to have such a big chip on their shoulder. And, for some odd reason, every time I see someone like that -- I'm reminded of the Tom Petty song, "Refugee."

Somewhere, somehow, somebody must have kicked you around some
Who knows maybe you were kidnapped tied up
Taken away and held for ransom
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HowardBThiname said:
Gosh darn -- I hate it when that happens. Some folks seem a little "off," I mean, they just carry their opinions and emotions to extremes - no time to help others - no respect. And, they exude an in-your-face rudeness, such as the guy you mentioned. They lack the ability to see any situation from the other guy's point of view. I always wonder what their life has been like for them to have such a big chip on their shoulder. And, for some odd reason, every time I see someone like that -- I'm reminded of the Tom Petty song, "Refugee."
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It happens more and more. We get outraged when he hear and read about Nazi rallies, but we don't have to go that far. Nazis are very few, and they are sick and someone should send them to a deserted island so they can stew in their own misery.
But...what about our very own day to day interaction? We don't seem concerned about the cars behind or beside us on the road. We slow down and swerve when we must text about our important self, we cut people off, we get impatient when someone drives slower than we do. We must strut our egos when authorities question us. We stand in the middle of the grocery aisle chatting and texting, we don't say excuse me when we pass in front of another, our kids run into people and we don't ask them to apologize. We get impatient and cuss and curse, we are so much more important than others around us.
We don't need to point fingers at anyone until we deal with self.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Unbelievable, the hatred you possess. If you ever wonder where the hatred comes from that drives mass shootings and gangland shootings, just look within your own psyche.



I've already said "unbelievable." There's very little else to say at this point. I will add, however, that people with your attitude are part of the problem and not the solution.
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Truly astounding how offended you are that I hate murderous traitors who brutally oppressed innocent Americans. It was so bad the ****ing Nazis were appalled. Do you know how ****ing bad you have to be for a ****ing Nazi to think your crap is bad?

https://timeline.com/nazi-prisoners-war-texas-f4a0794458ea

Hell, literal Nazis were treated exponentially better than loyal Americans serving their country!

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/02/0227_0228_tuskegee_2.html

Your problem is that you really can't seem to understand why people would hate those who murder US troops in the name of slavery and who tyrannized African Americans for generations.

Lol yes. Hating the Confederacy makes me the same as mass shooters and gangsters. :roll: Thanks for shooting your argument in the foot.

Yes, it's unbelievable that your heroes would brutally oppress Americans for a century after they had already murdered hundreds of thousands of loyal Americans in a desperate bid to preserve slavery. It's "unbelievable" how much time you spend crying about people hating the scumbags who continue to murder innocent Americans long after the war was over.

I hate to break it to you bud, but the times are changing. People no longer are interested in putting up with the same sort of Neo Confederate crap.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Unbelievable, the hatred you possess. If you ever wonder where the hatred comes from that drives mass shootings and gangland shootings, just look within your own psyche.
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Laughable, the respect you harbor for treason and traitors. Why do you hate the United States?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Truly astounding how offended you are that I hate murderous traitors who brutally oppressed innocent Americans. It was so bad the ****ing Nazis were appalled. Do you know how ****ing bad you have to be for a ****ing Nazi to think your crap is bad?
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I'm not offended in the least -- I'm fascinated. It's a rare occurance (in my world) to see someone trying so hard to justify their hatred.

Hell, literal Nazis were treated exponentially better than loyal Americans serving their country!
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That really has nothing to do with the fact that you exude hatred toward millions of Americans, simply because they want to remember their deceased ancestors.

Your problem is that you really can't seem to understand why people would hate those who murder US troops in the name of slavery and who tyrannized African Americans for generations.
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If you truly hated those who "murdered US troops" you'd hate the Japanese, Germans, etc. Even that would be on the loony side, but that's not what you're doing - -is it?

Lol yes. Hating the Confederacy makes me the same as mass shooters and gangsters. :roll: Thanks for shooting your argument in the foot.
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Hatred is a strong word -- too strong I'm thinking for you to throw about so carelessly. But yes, hatred is what drives people to kill. Consideration, understanding, empathy and respect are what build bridges of peace.

Yes, it's unbelievable that your heroes would brutally oppress Americans for a century after they had already murdered hundreds of thousands of loyal Americans in a desperate bid to preserve slavery. It's "unbelievable" how much time you spend crying about people hating the scumbags who continue to murder innocent Americans long after the war was over.

I hate to break it to you bud, but the times are changing. People no longer are interested in putting up with the same sort of Neo Confederate crap.
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This is an amazing diatribe. It's almost like you think you can relate to those who suffered at the hands of slavery, although we both know you can't.

The deal is - you're trying to erase history and that's an unAmerican thing to do. If you were confident in your argument, you would not feel threatened by people who disagree with you.

Think about it.
 
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HowardBThiname said:
I'm not offended in the least -- I'm fascinated. It's a rare occurance (in my world) to see someone trying so hard to justify their hatred.



That really has nothing to do with the fact that you exude hatred toward millions of Americans, simply because they want to remember their deceased ancestors.



If you truly hated those who "murdered US troops" you'd hate the Japanese, Germans, etc. Even that would be on the loony side, but that's not what you're doing - -is it?



Hatred is a strong word -- too strong I'm thinking for you to throw about so carelessly. But yes, hatred is what drives people to kill. Consideration, understanding, empathy and respect are what build bridges of peace.



This is an amazing diatribe. It's almost like you think you can relate to those who suffered at the hands of slavery, although we both know you can't.

The deal is - you're trying to erase history and that's an unAmerican thing to do. If you were confident in your argument, you would not feel threatened by people who disagree with you.

Think about it.
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It's rare in your world for people to hate enemies of the United States? Hmm. Seems to me the problem is the people you surround yourself with rather than anything else.

There's a big difference between "remembering your ancestors" and "celebrating hundreds of years of brutal oppression, the murders of US troops, and treason" which is what these monuments--- and the Neo Confederate movement as a whole--- is about. In case you missed it, Robert E Lee himself said that celebrating the Confederacy would be bad for the country-- he was against monuments to the slavers.

Oh, I do hate the Nazis, the Imperial Japanese, etc. The thing is(other than the fact that many Neo Confederates also deeply admire Nazi Germany) is that you don't have people trying to set up monuments celebrating Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

But I get it. You think it's "loony" to hate enemies of the United States. Like I said....I can't wait for your denunciation of those who hate ISIS and Al Qaeda.

The same sort of consideration, empathy, understanding and respect the Confederacy totally denied loyal Americans and that their followers continued to deny Americans their rights for a century after the war until forced practically at bayonet point to stop their crap.

And it's exactly like you don't give a damn about those people-- you are too busy worrying about the feelings of the poor Klansmen whose idols are being taken down.

Lol what a patheticly weak argument. How many statues of Hitler are there again? How many people do you think don't know who he is? Arguing that removing monuments to terrorism and tyranny is "erasing history" is foolish at best.

Here's the thing. Unlike you, I don't consider support for slavery, terrorism, and brutal oppression to be acceptable.
 
Tigerace117 said:
It's rare in your world for people to hate enemies of the United States? Hmm. Seems to me the problem is the people you surround yourself with rather than anything else.
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We're talking about current American citizens here. They are not enemies of the US. Someone's pulling your leg.


There's a big difference between "remembering your ancestors" and "celebrating hundreds of years of brutal oppression, the murders of US troops, and treason" which is what these monuments--- and the Neo Confederate movement as a whole--- is about. In case you missed it, Robert E Lee himself said that celebrating the Confederacy would be bad for the country-- he was against monuments to the slavers.
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That's what they're doing -- remembering their ancestors -- no one is "celebrating hundreds of years of brutal oppression." Get real.

Oh, I do hate the Nazis, the Imperial Japanese, etc. The thing is(other than the fact that many Neo Confederates also deeply admire Nazi Germany) is that you don't have people trying to set up monuments celebrating Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

But I get it. You think it's "loony" to hate enemies of the United States. Like I said....I can't wait for your denunciation of those who hate ISIS and Al Qaeda.
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It's loony to hate -- period. It's self-defeating. That's why I don't do it.

The same sort of consideration, empathy, understanding and respect the Confederacy totally denied loyal Americans and that their followers continued to deny Americans their rights for a century after the war until forced practically at bayonet point to stop their crap.
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Good golly, you really can't stop, can you? You just go on and on an on in an attempt to justify your hatred. Over 150 years have passed -- years that you never experienced -- yet you're going to hang onto that hatred like a pit bull hangs on to a bone. Suit yourself. It's your loss.

And it's exactly like you don't give a damn about those people-- you are too busy worrying about the feelings of the poor Klansmen whose idols are being taken down.
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The interesting thing is that your narrow-minded perspective is not far removed from the klansmen of old. They, like you, harbored hatred without justification. And, you see where that got us?

Lol what a patheticly weak argument. How many statues of Hitler are there again? How many people do you think don't know who he is? Arguing that removing monuments to terrorism and tyranny is "erasing history" is foolish at best.

Here's the thing. Unlike you, I don't consider support for slavery, terrorism, and brutal oppression to be acceptable.
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This is your fatal mistake. You think the people who appreciate those statues consider "slavery, terrorism and brutal oppression" to be acceptable. But, they don't. They just want to honor their ancestors, whether or not you think they should. And, interestingly enough, the 1st Amendment allows them to honor those ancestors.

You have no moral high ground.
 
HowardBThiname said:
We're talking about current American citizens here. They are not enemies of the US. Someone's pulling your leg.




That's what they're doing -- remembering their ancestors -- no one is "celebrating hundreds of years of brutal oppression." Get real.



It's loony to hate -- period. It's self-defeating. That's why I don't do it.



Good golly, you really can't stop, can you? You just go on and on an on in an attempt to justify your hatred. Over 150 years have passed -- years that you never experienced -- yet you're going to hang onto that hatred like a pit bull hangs on to a bone. Suit yourself. It's your loss.



The interesting thing is that your narrow-minded perspective is not far removed from the klansmen of old. They, like you, harbored hatred without justification. And, you see where that got us?



This is your fatal mistake. You think the people who appreciate those statues consider "slavery, terrorism and brutal oppression" to be acceptable. But, they don't. They just want to honor their ancestors, whether or not you think they should. And, interestingly enough, the 1st Amendment allows them to honor those ancestors.

You have no moral high ground.
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Yet they celebrate the murder of US troops as well as terrorism and oppression of loyal Americans. That doesn't sound like decent human beings, much less loyal Americans.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/5442...e-built-to-further-a-white-supremacist-future

Hmm.....looks like the only time these individuals think it's worth "remembering" their slaver ancestors is when minorities want to exercise their constitutional rights. Your excuses for the defense are getting weaker and weaker.

Well guess what--- despite your personal opinion, hating enemies of the United States is not "self defeating".

And you continue to toss out pathetically weak defenses for your beloved slaver monuments. Your slaver loving pals continued to murder and rape with impunity for more than a century after the war. It took paratroopers to keep your slaver loving pals from attacking kids for daring to go to high school. People like you, who glibly expect everyone to just "get over" terrorism, murder and oppression, have no room to talk.

Ah yes, the "if you hate the Klan you are just as bad as them" line. Spare me the bull****. It's not just wrong, it's pathetically wrong.

And as I just showed, the massive spikes in construction of your precious slaver monuments during periods where minorities were advocating for their rights---rights they were unjustly denied by your slaver loving pals---show the exact problem with your excuses. They simply don't hold water.

You are defending people who routinely blew up little kids, on top of the slavery and oppression. Your opinion on "the moral high ground" is so far out of reality it's not even funny.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yet they celebrate the murder of US troops as well as terrorism and oppression of loyal Americans. That doesn't sound like decent human beings, much less loyal Americans.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/5442...e-built-to-further-a-white-supremacist-future

Hmm.....looks like the only time these individuals think it's worth "remembering" their slaver ancestors is when minorities want to exercise their constitutional rights. Your excuses for the defense are getting weaker and weaker.

Well guess what--- despite your personal opinion, hating enemies of the United States is not "self defeating".

And you continue to toss out pathetically weak defenses for your beloved slaver monuments. Your slaver loving pals continued to murder and rape with impunity for more than a century after the war. It took paratroopers to keep your slaver loving pals from attacking kids for daring to go to high school. People like you, who glibly expect everyone to just "get over" terrorism, murder and oppression, have no room to talk.

Ah yes, the "if you hate the Klan you are just as bad as them" line. Spare me the bull****. It's not just wrong, it's pathetically wrong.

And as I just showed, the massive spikes in construction of your precious slaver monuments during periods where minorities were advocating for their rights---rights they were unjustly denied by your slaver loving pals---show the exact problem with your excuses. They simply don't hold water.

You are defending people who routinely blew up little kids, on top of the slavery and oppression. Your opinion on "the moral high ground" is so far out of reality it's not even funny.
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Look, there's no reasoning with you, that's obvious, so this is going to be my last post on the subject. Suffice it to say that I think your level of hatred approaches extremism. I'm not interested in playing into your obsession.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Look, there's no reasoning with you, that's obvious, so this is going to be my last post on the subject. Suffice it to say that I think your level of hatred approaches extremism. I'm not interested in playing into your obsession.
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Yes, I think everyone gets that you are too busy crying about your precious slaver loving pals to comprehend why people hate the Confederacy and Neo Confederates. Unfortunately for you people are only growing less tolerant of the legacy of racism, oppression, terrorism and tyranny that the Confederacy--- and the monuments--- represents.
 
"The principle for which we contended is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form." Jefferson Davis, after the defeat of the CSA.

Worshipping the mythology of the so-called Lost Cause is just a pretense. As Robert Penn Warren wrote in The Legacy of the Civil War, "We may say that only at the moment when Lee handed Grant his sword was the Confederacy born; or to state matters in another way, in the moment of death the Confederacy entered upon its immortality."

And if that doesn't make the statues and rhetoric of preserving history a myth, a failed creed and a shameful ideology, read the "Confederate Catechism."
 
Tanngrisnir said:
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No, the only sad bit is that you had to wildly extrapolate and pretend that I was referring to women and children when I had specifically stated what I did in the context of Lee, not the general populce.

You're obsessed with not appearing foolish, and you've now come out on the side of honoring treason and traitors.

Go ahead and have the last word. I'm through exposing your dishonesty.
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Like I said, be more precise next time and its probably going to save you this same embarrassment from happening again. When you say "All of them" without stating exactly who "all of them" is going to be. Don't be surprised when someone pokes a hole in your own royal **** up. Admit to what you screwed up on and at least try to save some face next time.

Also claiming that I have honored treason in some way is just another crude cover up for your own mistakes. So I would advise you to grow up on that regard as well.

Being away for work, only to return to this poor display was not a highlight of my night.
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