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Ft Myers rally

I believe it's important to note that these participation trophies for traitorous scum were not built to commemorate locals in their terrorist act. They were erected in random places half a century or more later to tell blacks to shut up.

Don't let the absurdity of participation trophies for scumbags cloud the purpose of them.
 
Harshaw said:
Vandalism is never proper.

The Confederacy was a traitorous, evil cause.

There ARE those who want to put whole swathes of history down the memory hole.

Confederacy fetishists are deeply annoying.

There are also those who WILL attempt the same for Jefferson, Washington, Madison, etc.

Symbols of the Confederacy, including the Bonnie Blue flag, are to the South what Nazi symbolism is to Germany.

None of the above statements conflict.
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Here's an example of how Germany is dealing with the stain of Nazism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentation_Center_Nazi_Party_Rally_Grounds

I've actually been to that museum and it's excellent. It does a great job of walking you through what the folks in Germany experienced during those years. You walk out thinking, "never again". That's the point.

I'm not a history erasing type, but those monuments that were set up all over the country by the Daughters of the Confederacy during the Jim Crow and desegregation eras don't have my sympathy.
 
jonny5 said:
If what I said was true it literally makes what you said wrong.
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Considering I never said a word about who Confederacy fetishists are, no, it "literally" does no such thing.

I'm gathering that you're among the feitshists, though.


They werent traitors. They left the union, they didnt try to overthrow it.
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I'm sorry that you don't actually understand the word "treason," either in a colloquial sense or especially its Constitutional definition.


It wasnt until the North attacked Virginia that there was even a war.
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This is historically vapid.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Here's an example of how Germany is dealing with the stain of Nazism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentation_Center_Nazi_Party_Rally_Grounds

I've actually been to that museum and it's excellent. It does a great job of walking you through what the folks in Germany experienced during those years. You walk out thinking, "never again". That's the point.

I'm not a history erasing type, but those monuments that were set up all over the country by the Daughters of the Confederacy during the Jim Crow and desegregation eras don't have my sympathy.
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Well, Germany is more draconic about it than we should be. The symbolism or speech shouldn't be illegal, as it is there, but it shouldn't be celebrated. (Of course, that's also true of Communist symbolism, but that's a whole other fight.)
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Fort Myers rally tommorow
The NAACP and Sons of Confederate Veterans, will hold a rally in Ft. Myers Fl., tomorrow. The NAACP wants to remove a Robert E Lee monument, while the Sons of Confederate Veterans want it to stay. Ft Myers is in LEE county for crying out loud!
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Makes sense. Florida is a loser state, so why not be the county of a loser general.

lol

"Sons of Confederate Veterans"....pretty sure there are no sons any longer. But whatever, if people want to celebrate the loser Confederacy, let them.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
History erasers, coming to a town near you, soon!

They hate the America of our fathers. They wont stop at Confederate monuments, as we have seen.
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What non.Confederate things have they taken down?
 
Just move them to a Museum and stop the whining.
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jonny5 said:
The Taliban didnt exist in 1850. The North slaughtered quite a lot of Americans to preserve tyranny to this day. And of course western slavery didnt end with WW2. Blacks were convicted in order to satisfy a loophole in the 13th amendment which allowed forced labor as a method of punishment. Mexico continued slavery until the 1900s. In WW2, the Germans abducted and forced jewish and polish civilians to work. The allies likewise forced germans to work after the war.
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Taliban started in 1866... so close.
 
Harshaw said:
Considering I never said a word about who Confederacy fetishists are, no, it "literally" does no such thing.

I'm gathering that you're among the feitshists, though.




I'm sorry that you don't actually understand the word "treason," either in a colloquial sense or especially its Constitutional definition.




This is historically vapid.
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No, you're wrong!
 
ecofarm said:
I believe it's important to note that these participation trophies for traitorous scum were not built to commemorate locals in their terrorist act. They were erected in random places half a century or more later to tell blacks to shut up.

Don't let the absurdity of participation trophies for scumbags cloud the purpose of them.
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It doesnt really matter. If the locals like them, they should keep them. Repeatedly calling someone names doesnt really convince anyone.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
History erasers, coming to a town near you, soon!

They hate the America of our fathers. They wont stop at Confederate monuments, as we have seen.
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As usual, Republicans weep as statues put up to celebrate the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American servicemen are taken down.
 
jonny5 said:
The Taliban didnt exist in 1850. The North slaughtered quite a lot of Americans to preserve tyranny to this day. And of course western slavery didnt end with WW2. Blacks were convicted in order to satisfy a loophole in the 13th amendment which allowed forced labor as a method of punishment. Mexico continued slavery until the 1900s. In WW2, the Germans abducted and forced jewish and polish civilians to work. The allies likewise forced germans to work after the war.
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What a titantic load of crap. Then again, I'm not surprised that you think the South being forced to end slavery is "tyranny".

Mexico banned slavery in 1829. That was a big part of what enraged Texans enough to jump ship.
 
WCH said:
Wonder who or what they blame the next civil war on?
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That is not even remotely funny. It certainly will not be because of removing these racist relics that were erected to intimidate blacks. The South lost the civil war and the traitors should never be venerated. It is like Germany erecting statues of Adolf Hitler.
 
itsforthekids said:
Ahhhh....the left. Tolerant until they aren't. Their faux outrage over a statue that has been there for decades is appalling. It's merely driven by hatred toward President Trump. It stood during both of barry's terms, right? and by the way, these rabble rousers will be a violent mob ginned up by the naacp creeps...then they'll place the blame on those being attacked. Mark my words.
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Yes, the left isn't tolerant of traitors who murdered hundreds of thousands of American soldiers and sailors. That horrifies you, I know.
 
jonny5 said:
The North attacked the south first, so technically they declared war. And yeah, the north slaughtered americans to maintain tyranny (preserve the union). The south did not engage in islamic like terrorism though and they certainly didnt want to kill everyone.
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Lol no. The South started the war by attempting to steal federal property. Furthermore, the South's habit of murdering African American servicemen and enslaving any African Americans they came across during their invasion of the North contradicts your other claim quite easily.
 
Casper said:
Just move them to a Museum and stop the whining.
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Why isn't it this simple? :lol:

I guess it is kind of funny though to see some people who bust a rib if someone doesn't stand for the national anthem idolizing actual traitors.
 
iguanaman said:
That is not even remotely funny. It certainly will not be because of removing these racist relics that were erected to intimidate blacks. The South lost the civil war and the traitors should never be venerated. It is like Germany erecting statues of Adolf Hitler.
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No, it's nothing like that.

Those who fought on both sides were honorable, patriotic citizens. It was the politicians who made it a war.

Hitler was a maniacal tyrant who sought world domination. Doesn't even belong in this conversation.
 
WCH said:
No, it's nothing like that.

Those who fought on both sides were honorable, patriotic citizens. It was the politicians who made it a war.

Hitler was a maniacal tyrant who sought world domination. Doesn't even belong in this conversation.
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There’s nothing “honorable” about fighting for slavery.
 
WCH said:
No, it's nothing like that.

Those who fought on both sides were honorable, patriotic citizens. It was the politicians who made it a war.

Hitler was a maniacal tyrant who sought world domination. Doesn't even belong in this conversation.
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Hitler murdered millions for racist reasons. Lee took part and led in a racist war in the name of slavery where millions died "on both sides". I really don't see the distinction. Lee is especially to blame because he personally prolonged the war which caused the deaths of 10's of 1000's more. He was also a "maniacal" bigot who believed God gave him the right to enslave blacks. His very name is a stain on America and its values.
 
Tigerace117 said:
There’s nothing “honorable” about fighting for slavery.
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And taking part in a rebellion against the U.S. is treason not patriotism. There is nothing even remotely admirable about the South's war against their own country.
 
WCH said:
Very few of those soldiers had slaves to fight for. Most were owned by the powerful and rich.
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Myth #3: Only a small percentage of Southerners owned slaves.
Closely related to Myth #2, the idea that the vast majority of Confederate soldiers were men of modest means rather than large plantation owners is usually used to reinforce the contention that the South wouldn’t have gone to war to protect slavery. The 1860 census shows that in the states that would soon secede from the Union, an average of more than 32 percent of white families owned slaves. Some states had far more slave owners (46 percent in South Carolina, 49 percent in Mississippi) while some had far less (20 percent in Arkansas).

But as Jamelle Bouie and Rebecca Onion point out in Slate, the percentages don’t fully express the extent to which the antebellum South was a slave society, built on a foundation of slavery. Many of those white families who couldn’t afford slaves aspired to, as a symbol of wealth and prosperity. In addition, the essential ideology of white supremacy that served as a rationale for slavery, made it extremely difficult—and terrifying—for white Southerners to imagine life alongside a black majority population that was not in bondage. In this way, many non-slave-owning Confederates went to war to protect not only slavery, but to preserve the foundation of the only way of life they knew.
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https://www.history.com/news/history-lists/5-myths-about-slavery
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yes, the left isn't tolerant of traitors who murdered hundreds of thousands of American soldiers and sailors. That horrifies you, I know.
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There is no "murder" in the general sense during war.
 
WCH said:
Very few of those soldiers had slaves to fight for. Most were owned by the powerful and rich.
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Frankly, that’s even worse. They betrayed their country and murdered American troops over something that didn’t even benefit them.
 
itsforthekids said:
There is no "murder" in the general sense during war.
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1) Except Confederate troops committed atrocities against African American US troops

2) Furthermore, committing treason and killing loyal Americans in the process is murder.
 
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