Continue to pray for MSD's students

JC Callender · Mar 21, 2018

After breathtaking cowardice and incompetence by law enforcement aided Nikolas Cruz's shooting spree at Marjory Stoneman Douglas HS, a deputy on Monday was suspended for sleeping on the job while he was supposed to be guarding the school. And Cruz's brother Zachery was finally arrested after visiting the school grounds on three occasions since the shooting. He "surpassed all locked doors and gates and proceeded to ride his skateboard through school grounds." in order to "reflect on the school shooting and soak it in,". How would you feel if you were a student and knew who Zachary Cruz was and saw him skateboarding around your school campus? I'd assume it would be ****ing chilling. And looks like Sheriff Israel still has his job. I don't get it. Someone has to take control of that situation.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ool-where-mass-shooting-happened-w/443818002/

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/nikolas-cruz-brother-arrested/index.html

ttwtt78640 · Mar 21, 2018

JC Callender said:
After breathtaking cowardice and incompetence by law enforcement aided Nikolas Cruz's shooting spree at Marjory Stoneman Douglas HS, a deputy on Monday was suspended for sleeping on the job while he was supposed to be guarding the school. And Cruz's brother Zachery was finally arrested after visiting the school grounds on three occasions since the shooting. He "surpassed all locked doors and gates and proceeded to ride his skateboard through school grounds." in order to "reflect on the school shooting and soak it in,". How would you feel if you were a student and knew who Zachary Cruz was and saw him skateboarding around your school campus? I'd assume it would be ****ing chilling. And looks like Sheriff Israel still has his job. I don't get it. Someone has to take control of that situation.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ool-where-mass-shooting-happened-w/443818002/

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/nikolas-cruz-brother-arrested/index.html

Rest easy since that high school was, and still is, in compliance with the new Florida school security requirements - a single armed SRO is on duty and active shooter (shut up and hide?) drills are held quarterly. If something has been proven to work (or even if not) then make it the legal requirement.

vegas giants · Mar 21, 2018

ttwtt78640 said:
Rest easy since that high school was, and still is, in compliance with the new Florida school security requirements - a single armed SRO is on duty and active shooter (shut up and hide?) drills are held quarterly. If something has been proven to work (or even if not) then make it the legal requirement.

Gun control works. Other developed countries don’t need guards

Captain Adverse · Mar 21, 2018

JC Callender said:
...And Cruz's brother Zachery was finally arrested after visiting the school grounds on three occasions since the shooting. He "surpassed all locked doors and gates and proceeded to ride his skateboard through school grounds." in order to "reflect on the school shooting and soak it in,". How would you feel if you were a student and knew who Zachary Cruz was and saw him skateboarding around your school campus? I'd assume it would be ****ing chilling. And looks like Sheriff Israel still has his job. I don't get it. Someone has to take control of that situation.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/nikolas-cruz-brother-arrested/index.html

So aside from trespassing...

A Florida judge set bond Tuesday at $500,000 for Zachary Cruz, the younger brother of Parkland school shooter Nikolas Cruz, for a misdemeanor trespassing charge, despite protestations from his defense attorney, who said his client was being punished for his brother's crime.

...is there any evidence of "menacing" or something that would serve to enhance the offense?

That reduced from the $750,000 bond the Prosecutor was arguing for. Seems a bit excessive for a misdemeanor trespassing offense carrying a maximum sentence of 1 year in a county jail.

I wonder if they charge every kid who trespasses on school property, or only people related to killers?

JC Callender · Mar 21, 2018

Captain Adverse said:
So aside from trespassing...

...is there any evidence of "menacing" or something that would serve to enhance the offense?

That reduced from the $750,000 bond the Prosecutor was arguing for. Seems a bit excessive for a misdemeanor trespassing offense carrying a maximum sentence of 1 year in a county jail.

I wonder if they charge every kid who trespasses on school property, or only people related to killers?

Gaining illegal access to the school grounds on three occasions to skateboard at the scene of his brothers horrific crime to "soak it in" presents a pretty major red flag. It's incompetent by LE to let it happen three times and completely brazen by Zachery Cruz, esp. after everything his brother got away with prior to the mass shooting. So no, not excessive under the circumstances.

Captain Adverse · Mar 21, 2018

JC Callender said:
Gaining illegal access to the school grounds on three occasions to skateboard at the scene of his brothers horrific crime to "soak it in" presents a pretty major red flag. It's incompetent by LE to let it happen three times and completely brazen by Zachery Cruz, esp. after everything his brother got away with prior to the mass shooting. So no, not excessive under the circumstances.

I point to this:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment VIII U.S. Constitution.

IMO his defense attorney is correct; he is being "punished" via excessive bail for his brother's actions, not his own.

JC Callender · Mar 21, 2018

Captain Adverse said:
I point to this:

Amendment VIII U.S. Constitution.

IMO his defense attorney is correct; he is being "punished" via excessive bail for his brother's actions, not his own.

What would you do if you were the Prosecutor? And if your answer is the average fine for trespassing, then what would you do to follow up if you were Sheriff or Police Chief?

Captain Adverse · Mar 21, 2018

JC Callender said:
What would you do if you were the Prosecutor? And if your answer is the average fine for trespassing, then what would you do to follow up if you were Sheriff or Police Chief?

I am NOT "the Prosecutor," I stand for the defense and the defendant.

I am aware that the Prosecutor has all sorts of goals and agendas, and it is his job to "please the people" with his stance on the law. He represents the State and all the power behind it.

I don't feel the need to justify his position, even playing "devils advocate" for his side of the argument. Sorry. :shrug:

JC Callender · Mar 21, 2018

Captain Adverse said:
I am NOT "the Prosecutor," I stand for the defense and the defendant.

I am aware that the Prosecutor has all sorts of goals and agendas, and it is his job to "please the people" with his stance on the law. He represents the State and all the power behind it.

I don't feel the need to justify his position, even playing "devils advocate" for his side of the argument. Sorry. :shrug:

No problem. I think LE has made so many mistakes with both Cruz brothers so far that the overkill on bail is probably to make up for it, whether legal or not.

Excon · Mar 21, 2018

JC Callender said:
Continue to pray for MSD's students

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No.
There is no reason to pray for them.

JC Callender · Mar 21, 2018

Excon said:
No.
There is no reason to pray for them.

Ok, well then at least demand LE get's their head out of the asses in Parkland.

Excon · Mar 21, 2018

JC Callender said:
Ok, well then at least demand LE get's their head out of the asses in Parkland.

I wasn't aware any LE had their head in their ass. I would suggest folks stop trying to scapegoat them but I am sure they wont listen.

polgara · Mar 21, 2018

JC Callender said:
Gaining illegal access to the school grounds on three occasions to skateboard at the scene of his brothers horrific crime to "soak it in" presents a pretty major red flag. It's incompetent by LE to let it happen three times and completely brazen by Zachery Cruz, esp. after everything his brother got away with prior to the mass shooting. So no, not excessive under the circumstances.

Greetings, JC Callender. :2wave:

What is the kid trying to show people - that it's still not enough to prevent a repeat by someone?

Where have you been? I've missed you on here! No, I haven't moved to NC yet - I haven't even been down there in a while. The weather has been acting like it thinks it's a roller coaster, and I haven't felt comfortable enough yet to risk flying down there in a single engine plane, since flying in a snowstorm just doesn't sound like fun to me....:no:

JC Callender · Mar 21, 2018

polgara said:
Greetings, JC Callender. :2wave:

What is the kid trying to show people - that it's still not enough to prevent a repeat by someone?

Where have you been? I've missed you on here! No, I haven't moved to NC yet - I haven't even been down there in a while. The weather has been acting like it thinks it's a roller coaster, and I haven't felt comfortable enough yet to risk flying down there in a single engine plane, since flying in a snowstorm just doesn't sound like fun to me....:no:

Hi Polgara :kissy:

I'm here from time to time, I think we just miss each other as we're not on the same threads. Concerning Parkland, I hear a couple of other kids got arrested as well. There doesn't seem to be much of a fear of getting in trouble. And that incompetent (imo at least) Sheriff Israel still has a job.

So, are you all set up in North Carolina? Are you going to keep your current house?

polgara · Mar 21, 2018

JC Callender said:
Hi Polgara :kissy:

I'm here from time to time, I think we just miss each other as we're not on the same threads. Concerning Parkland, I hear a couple of other kids got arrested as well. There doesn't seem to be much of a fear of getting in trouble. And that incompetent (imo at least) Sheriff Israel still has a job.

So, are you all set up in North Carolina? Are you going to keep your current house?

I've got to buy horses, but that depends on whether or not I decide to just have a B & B for overnight travelers or something more for "vacationers," and that's a while off yet. I'll keep you advised.....

vesper · Mar 21, 2018

JC Callender said:
After breathtaking cowardice and incompetence by law enforcement aided Nikolas Cruz's shooting spree at Marjory Stoneman Douglas HS, a deputy on Monday was suspended for sleeping on the job while he was supposed to be guarding the school. And Cruz's brother Zachery was finally arrested after visiting the school grounds on three occasions since the shooting. He "surpassed all locked doors and gates and proceeded to ride his skateboard through school grounds." in order to "reflect on the school shooting and soak it in,". How would you feel if you were a student and knew who Zachary Cruz was and saw him skateboarding around your school campus? I'd assume it would be ****ing chilling. And looks like Sheriff Israel still has his job. I don't get it. Someone has to take control of that situation.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ool-where-mass-shooting-happened-w/443818002/

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/nikolas-cruz-brother-arrested/index.html

Last time I heard the name Zachary Cruz is the day after his brother committed mass murder and he was taken by force for mental evaluation.
Broward County is a leftist stronghold. Let's get that out front and center. Cruz never would have accomplished what he did in Broward County in many places in the states.

The political correctness happy horse poop in Broward county is at the bottom of the fail pail why Cruz was even allowed to purchase weapons.

Mr Person · Mar 29, 2018

Why pray for them when we can slander them as paid actors, photoshop pictures to make them look like they're doing bad things, and mock them for not getting into college? I mean, that's what we'd do if it was our family member who survived a mass shooting.

Right?

Moot · Mar 29, 2018

vesper said:
Last time I heard the name Zachary Cruz is the day after his brother committed mass murder and he was taken by force for mental evaluation.
Broward County is a leftist stronghold. Let's get that out front and center. Cruz never would have accomplished what he did in Broward County in many places in the states.

The political correctness happy horse poop in Broward county is at the bottom of the fail pail why Cruz was even allowed to purchase weapons.

BS...mass school shootings have occurred in republican strong holds, too.

Common decency seems to allude you, Vesper.

vesper · Mar 29, 2018

Moot said:
BS...mass school shootings have occurred in republican strong holds, too.

Common decency seems to allude you, Vesper.

:lol: decency would be admitting this bastion of liberal control in Broward County is a big part of the fail pail.

Moot · Mar 29, 2018

vesper said:
:lol: decency would be admitting this bastion of liberal control in Broward County is a big part of the fail pail.

If you're weren't so blinded by your sicko partisan politics you'd know that the fail had more to do with the gun laws written by the NRA that tied the hands of law enforcement to prevent Cruz from getting a gun in the first place.

How pro-NRA laws made it more difficult for the FBI to act on a tip about Nikolas Cruz

vesper · Mar 29, 2018

Moot said:
If you're weren't so blinded by your sicko partisan politics you'd know that the fail had more to do with the gun laws written by the NRA that tied the hands of law enforcement to prevent Cruz from getting a gun in the first place.

How pro-NRA laws made it more difficult for the FBI to act on a tip about Nikolas Cruz

sicko partisan politics? Look in the mirror.

Broward County failed those kids. They knew after over 30 reports of domestic violence and aggressive behavior he was a loose cannon. He was expelled from multiple schools. The last one was over death threats. This kid should have been institutionalized.

vegas giants · Mar 29, 2018

vesper said:
sicko partisan politics? Look in the mirror.

Broward County failed those kids. They knew after over 30 reports of domestic violence and aggressive behavior he was a loose cannon. He was expelled from multiple schools. The last one was over death threats. This kid should have been institutionalized.

Why do gop states have the most per capita gun deaths?

Moot · Mar 29, 2018

vesper said:
sicko partisan politics? Look in the mirror.

Broward County failed those kids. They knew after over 30 reports of domestic violence and aggressive behavior he was a loose cannon. He was expelled from multiple schools. The last one was over death threats. This kid should have been institutionalized.

Look in a mirror yourself.

The link I posted says it was the NRA that failed those kids and your sicko partisan blame game doesn't come close to rebutting it. Would you care to try again?

vesper · Mar 29, 2018

Moot said:
Look in a mirror yourself.

The link I posted says it was the NRA that failed those kids and your sicko partisan blame game doesn't come close to rebutting it. Would you care to try again?

You think your one damn link is the only thing out there that should be deemed the gospel over all? Get real. Your whole approach to this is nothing but a partisan slant.

17 beautiful children dead because government authorities didn't do their job to protect them. From Federal, State to Local and all you can friggen do is blame the NRA.

I am trying to think of a nice way to tell you to buzz off.

Linc · Mar 29, 2018

vegas giants said:
Why do gop states have the most per capita gun deaths?

Could it be that they get more than their fair share of money from the feds, as compared to blue states ?

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