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Did progressive Broward Co. "soloutin" cost 17 student lives?

Blkdirt Farmer said:
Interesting read, bet one I have seen so far.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...tion_cost_17_student_lives.html#ixzz57heAJI6A

Worth the read, and comments if you care to....
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A lot of "crimes" committed in school are handled within the school. I can't even count the number of fights in my school yet I know of only one person who was arrested for assault. One of those kids that didn't get arrested went on to murder a cop. I live in a "red" county so did my conservative county cost a cop his life? Of course not. The one who took the live(s) is to blame at the end of the day. Plus bringing up Trayvon Martin in this says it all.
 
americanwoman said:
A lot of "crimes" committed in school are handled within the school. I can't even count the number of fights in my school yet I know of only one person who was arrested for assault. One of those kids that didn't get arrested went on to murder a cop. I live in a "red" county so did my conservative county cost a cop his life? Of course not. The one who took the live(s) is to blame at the end of the day. Plus bringing up Trayvon Martin in this says it all.
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So you argue that no one dropped the ball on this kid? When you look at the total of the things he did, and all the officials who knew about him, how can you?
 
Blkdirt Farmer said:
So you argue that no one dropped the ball on this kid? When you look at the total of the things he did, and all the officials who knew about him, how can you?
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Of course there was a lot of ball dropping here but to act like this is a progressive county problem is trying to make this a partisan issue to divide us further. It should be a more broad nonpartisan look at schools not reporting crimes committed in the school. This doesn't just happen in progressive counties and this article is heavily biased.
 
americanwoman said:
Of course there was a lot of ball dropping here but to act like this is a progressive county problem is trying to make this a partisan issue to divide us further. It should be a more broad nonpartisan look at schools not reporting crimes committed in the school. This doesn't just happen in progressive counties and this article is heavily biased.
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I will agree with you on that. Kids lives should never be reduced to political partisanship. I do how ever find the contents about this young man hard to argue with..
 
Blkdirt Farmer said:
I will agree with you on that. Kids lives should never be reduced to political partisanship. I do how ever find the contents about this young man hard to argue with..
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Then why did you start this thread if not to push your vile partisan views on the backs of dead children?
 
Blkdirt Farmer said:
Worth the read, and comments if you care to....
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The article touches on a relatively common theme from Conservatives, if we were harder on crime then lives would be saved. Which is only slightly different than the harsh criticism of the FBI (that I more or less happen to agree with) for not doing something more with what was reported to them.

Where it gets interesting is the idea of being less harsh on crime because of the disparity between any two minority groups in the criminal justice system, or even comparison between any minority group and white people.

It does not matter if you like MIT economists, or Columbia University study on this, or the NIJ Study Group, or the Department of Justice itself the more we send to juvenile detention the more by percentage we see those kids become adults and end up in the Prison System as adults. I believe the going stat is something like 40% of kids who were in juvenile detention ended up in prison by 25 for some felony (give or take based on those sources.)

The question before us is neither system is perfect.

Sending more to juvenile detention for something does not necessarily mean we stop them from committing the next crime, and at the same time going with modern liberalism saying arrest less does not stop them from committing the next crime anyway.

So what gives?

The real point of these studies is a focus on the person does not always mean entry into the justice system is the answer, but it could be case to case. The American "Thinker" is only really pointing out the politics of all this suggesting that Obama's (or other liberals) are making us unsafe for not using the justice system for more cases. But we really do not have the statistics to say for either case mentioned that the next crime would be stopped. Just the suggestion that it might have. Which means we still need to be focusing on the individual that does these things instead of political rhetoric on liberals making us less safe masquerading as "thinking."
 
americanwoman said:
A lot of "crimes" committed in school are handled within the school. I can't even count the number of fights in my school yet I know of only one person who was arrested for assault. One of those kids that didn't get arrested went on to murder a cop. I live in a "red" county so did my conservative county cost a cop his life? Of course not. The one who took the live(s) is to blame at the end of the day. Plus bringing up Trayvon Martin in this says it all.
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You make some good points yet the NICS BGC relies on reported criminal and mental health data alone. Once we decide that our criminal justice system should only be used for some cases (based on what is the OP links gripe) then we defeat the purpose of the NICS BCG as a "solution". I am not saying that starting a single fight (assault and battery) should be a felony (and it is not in most states) but blowing that off (many times?) to avoid any "young person" from having less than a clean criminal record goes too far in the other direction.

Imagine if we did that for DUIs (a "serious" crime that requires no proof of intent) and counted only those done as adults and, even then, only those that caused injury or death. That would mean a (young?) driver could get 3 or 4 DUIs "forgiven" (if they were stopped before any injury or death resulted) and thus never have a criminal record to deny them 2A rights for life.

It seems that we are calling for more (universal?) NICS BGCs at the same time we are calling for less reporting of the criminal conviction or mental health data that makes them have any effect at all. We have plenty of laws that should have stopped that Floriduh "weird kid" from legally buying (or owning) a gun yet decided not to ruin his young life by arresting and convicting him of anything less than first degree murder.
 
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