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The system didn't fail-No state has a system for dealing with shooter threats

shrubnose

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Some people think that the system failed in the Florida school shooting case-but it didn't,there is no system and that is a huge problem.

Until we build a system to deal with mentally ill people,like the shooter in this case these attacks will continue.That's a fact.

:doh

We need to stop broken children from becoming mass killers.Doing nothing is not an option in this case.
 
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shrubnose said:
Some people think that the system failed in the Florida school shooting case-but it didn't,there is no system and that is a huge problem.

Until we build a system to deal with mentally ill people,like the shooter in this case these attacks will continue.That's a fact.

:doh

We need to stop broken children from becoming mass killers.Doing nothing is not an option in this case.
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They do have a way to deal with the so-called mentally ill... give or take a few million, 50 million of us are on psychotropic drugs.

https://www.facebook.com/jayla.holmes.14/videos/540387656330083/
 
shrubnose said:
Some people think that the system failed in the Florida school shooting case-but it didn't,there is no system and that is a huge problem.

Until we build a system to deal with mentally ill people,like the shooter in this case these attacks will continue.That's a fact.

:doh

We need to stop broken children from becoming mass killers.Doing nothing is not an option in this case.
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Either way we end up at "America has failed".

“The fact that the FBI is investigating this failure is not enough, Law enforcement personnel constantly remind the public that ‘if you see something, say something.’ In this tragic case, people close to the shooter said something, and our system utterly failed the families of seventeen innocent souls.”
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Rubio
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/911-syndrome-fbi-little-accountability/
 
I hesitate to venture into this subject, that being said, how does more than 30 visits by authorities to the home of a nineteen year old not translate into some preventative measure being implemented? I am in no way casting shade on any agency, but common sense tells me these visits (39 reported) didn't start when N Cruz was a toddler. One would think that this troubled young adult was on someone's radar......
 
Rexedgar said:
I hesitate to venture into this subject, that being said, how does more than 30 visits by authorities to the home of a nineteen year old not translate into some preventative measure being implemented? I am in no way casting shade on any agency, but common sense tells me these visits (39 reported) didn't start when N Cruz was a toddler. One would think that this troubled young adult was on someone's radar......
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obviously he was, but he can't be watched all the time unless he is locked up. As far as I know he did not do anything to warrant being locked up until he did the shooting
 
OlNate said:
"So called" mentally ill? Sorry, man, couldn't follow your FB link from work, what do you mean by so-called?
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They hand out psychotropic drugs like candy here in America. There has long been a link between these drugs and violence/mass shootings.
 
shrubnose said:
Some people think that the system failed in the Florida school shooting case-but it didn't,there is no system and that is a huge problem.

Until we build a system to deal with mentally ill people,like the shooter in this case these attacks will continue.That's a fact.

:doh

We need to stop broken children from becoming mass killers.Doing nothing is not an option in this case.
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Something like a concentration camp?
 
WCH said:
They hand out psychotropic drugs like candy here in America. There has long been a link between these drugs and violence/mass shootings.
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Likely that is a significant factor for the young man's behavior.

I have not followed closely on this story, apologies, but have they revealed any medication he may have been treated with?
 
shrubnose said:
Some people think that the system failed in the Florida school shooting case-but it didn't,there is no system and that is a huge problem.

Until we build a system to deal with mentally ill people,like the shooter in this case these attacks will continue.That's a fact.

:doh

We need to stop broken children from becoming mass killers.Doing nothing is not an option in this case.
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The system that was supposed to ensure there was a subsystem to prevent this DID fail.
 
WCH said:
They hand out psychotropic drugs like candy here in America. There has long been a link between these drugs and violence/mass shootings.
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You know I never really thought about it...

I've been on anti-anxiety medication before... and they can definitely make you manic. They make you less anxious and care less about what people think of you.

If someone already has extremely violent thoughts and tendency's, making you not be able to feel shame and care less about what people think of could definitely be a dangerous combination. Because maybe a lot of the time, what holds these cowards back from murdering people is their actual cowardice....take that away and you could have a monster
 
celticwar17 said:
You know I never really thought about it...

I've been on anti-anxiety medication before... and they can definitely make you manic. They make you less anxious and care less about what people think of you.

If someone already has extremely violent thoughts and tendency's, making you not be able to feel shame and care less about what people think of could definitely be a dangerous combination. Because maybe a lot of the time, what holds these cowards back from murdering people is their actual cowardice....take that away and you could have a monster
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I bet pharmaceutical companies give out more political contributions than the NRA.

https://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/every-mass-shooting-in-the-last-20-years-shares-psychotropic-drugs/
 
Rexedgar said:
I hesitate to venture into this subject, that being said, how does more than 30 visits by authorities to the home of a nineteen year old not translate into some preventative measure being implemented? I am in no way casting shade on any agency, but common sense tells me these visits (39 reported) didn't start when N Cruz was a toddler.
One would think that this troubled young adult was on someone's radar.....
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But he slipped off of the radar and killed 17,eh?
 
shrubnose said:
I agree that the FBI could have done something.But they did nothing until the shooting stopped.
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No, I mean our government failed to address the underlying issues that helped allow this.
 
shrubnose said:
Some people think that the system failed in the Florida school shooting case-but it didn't,there is no system and that is a huge problem.

Until we build a system to deal with mentally ill people,like the shooter in this case these attacks will continue.That's a fact.

:doh

We need to stop broken children from becoming mass killers.Doing nothing is not an option in this case.
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Locally, a copycat kid made a mass-shooting threat to the local HS the day after.

He was immediately identified and arrested.

Seems pretty effective.
 
Goshin said:
Locally, a copycat kid made a mass-shooting threat to the local HS the day after.

He was immediately identified and arrested.

Seems pretty effective.
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I agree the system isn't at fault but rather the culture.
 
Goshin said:
Locally, a copycat kid made a mass-shooting threat to the local HS the day after.

He was immediately identified and arrested.

Seems pretty effective
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Sounds like it worked in that case-But what if he had kept his mouth shut and attacked the school?

What then?
 
Goshin said:
Locally, a copycat kid made a mass-shooting threat to the local HS the day after.

He was immediately identiefied and arrested.
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The killer in Florida didn't make threats-he went to the school and started shooting.

Do you see the difference?He was arrested after he killed 17 people.
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