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If California split/ vote question

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If the state of California talk of a split ever went to a vote, would they all of a sudden require voters to have ID? If not I'd fly out and vote for the split in a heart beat.

How about you?
 
Good to know you're a man of principle.
 
Good to know you're a man of principle.

As they used to say in the Roman Senate .... "temporary expediency now and forever".

Or something like that. ;):roll:
 
I wouldn't care much. It's not going to happen.

And if it ever did happen, I'm sure liberal Southern Texas would decide to try and leave the rest of Texas.
 
I wouldn't care much. It's not going to happen.

And if it ever did happen, I'm sure liberal Southern Texas would decide to try and leave the rest of Texas.

Difficult to do. They first have to get their state congress to allow it. probably not going to happen.
then they have to petition congress for statehood.

again hard to do and if denied they are in limbo
 
As they used to say in the Roman Senate .... "temporary expediency now and forever".

Or something like that. ;):roll:

Isn't that somewhat like a "temporary tax"
 
If the state of California talk of a split ever went to a vote, would they all of a sudden require voters to have ID? If not I'd fly out and vote for the split in a heart beat.

How about you?

How about we just let all the area of west of the San Andreas Fault secede and then wave goodby when the big one hits:

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Isn't that somewhat like a "temporary tax"

Or better yet -a temporary tax cut on the working class while the corporations get a permanent one.
 
Or better yet -a temporary tax cut on the working class while the corporations get a permanent one.

Do you think a legal entity (a deed, a contract, a corporation) actually "pays taxes" Taxes are paid ONLY by humans.

Is it the government pension schemes who invest in these enterprise corporations who are not paying enough taxes?

OK then tax the government pensioners directly, why have the corporations collect their taxes?

How would you like to pay no taxes at all?

Simple, your employer reduces your income by 35% for federal taxes and another 10 to 15% for state taxes and all you have to pony up is your FICA and Medicare payments.

You can giggle at how the government finally screwed your employer instead of you.
 
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Do you think a legal entity (a deed, a contract, a corporation) actually "pays taxes" Taxes are paid ONLY by humans.

Yes, corporations pay taxes. Not enough. But they do pay taws. At least some of them do.

Is it the government pension schemes who invest in these enterprise corporations who are not paying enough taxes?

OK then tax the government pensioners directly, why have the corporations collect their taxes?

How would you like to pay no taxes at all?

Simple, your employer reduces your income by 35% for federal taxes and another 10 to 15% for state taxes and all you have to pony up is your FICA and Medicare payments.

You can giggle at how the government finally screwed your employer instead of you.

My ears are obviously not attuned to the same dog whistle you are so responsive to and I have no real idea what you are talking about. But when somebody starts out by questioning if corporations pay taxes, what else can you expect from them except nonsense?
 
Yes, corporations pay taxes. Not enough. But they do pay taws. At least some of them do.



My ears are obviously not attuned to the same dog whistle you are so responsive to and I have no real idea what you are talking about. But when somebody starts out by questioning if corporations pay taxes, what else can you expect from them except nonsense?

Whose pockets do corporations take the cash from to pay their tax bill?

a) Their Customers

b) Their Employees

c) The retirement funds (IRAs, 401K, 403B etc) who are the primary investors in them.

There is no other choice, unlike the government corporations cannot print their money.
 
If the state of California talk of a split ever went to a vote, would they all of a sudden require voters to have ID? If not I'd fly out and vote for the split in a heart beat.

How about you?

Anyone care to answer the OP?
 
Whose pockets do corporations take the cash from to pay their tax bill?

a) Their Customers

b) Their Employees

c) The retirement funds (IRAs, 401K, 403B etc) who are the primary investors in them.

There is no other choice, unlike the government corporations cannot print their money.

Corporate coffers. Do you not realize that a corporation is a person?
 
Corporate coffers. Do you not realize that a corporation is a person?

Corporate Coffers that pay the employees, pay for maintenance and improvements, pay for the retirement funds (IRAs, 401K, 403B etc), pay dividends to investors....

Corporate Coffers that are (hopefully) replenished by the Customers.
 
Corporate coffers. Do you not realize that a corporation is a person?

You mean this guy by the name of Apple or GE has lots of mattresses (coffers) to hide all those ill gotten greenbacks under?

I have some "coffer cash" too but I invest it where it will do the most good. If I wanted it stashed under a mattress id just use my own mattress rather than hand it over to a guy named GE. Who knows maybe this GE guy will get drunk and spend it at the track.

Do you known how free economies work or were you educated in government classrooms?
 
If the state of California talk of a split ever went to a vote, would they all of a sudden require voters to have ID? If not I'd fly out and vote for the split in a heart beat.

How about you?

I'll laugh my ass off when I see places like Barstow, Needles and Stockton try to make it without the money generated by Silicon Valley, LA and San Diego.
 
Whose pockets do corporations take the cash from to pay their tax bill?

a) Their Customers

b) Their Employees

c) The retirement funds (IRAs, 401K, 403B etc) who are the primary investors in them.

There is no other choice, unlike the government corporations cannot print their money.

Well of course there is another choice....their owners and stockholders.
 
You mean this guy by the name of Apple or GE has lots of mattresses (coffers) to hide all those ill gotten greenbacks under?

I have some "coffer cash" too but I invest it where it will do the most good. If I wanted it stashed under a mattress id just use my own mattress rather than hand it over to a guy named GE. Who knows maybe this GE guy will get drunk and spend it at the track.

Do you known how free economies work or were you educated in government classrooms?

Corporations are people. And they have money in their coffers to pay taxes with.
 
Well of course there is another choice....their owners and stockholders.


Who do you think item c) consists of? Martians?

The majority of investors in corporations are

1) are mutual funds owned
2) by retirees or retirement investment managers, including government employee retirement funds
3) university endowments,
4) not for profit NGOs
5) sovereign investment organizations doing items 1, 2, 3, and 4.
 
Corporations are people. And they have money in their coffers to pay taxes with.

What you are saying is corporations represent people and groups of people who will be paying these "corporate" taxes, I thank I already said that when I said only people ultimately pay taxes.

Your position is that you would like the teacher's retirement funds to pay more taxes and earn less money so teachers will have less money when they retire; OK I now understand what you want
 
What you are saying is corporations represent people and groups of people who will be paying these "corporate" taxes, I thank I already said that when I said only people ultimately pay taxes.

Your position is that you would like the teacher's retirement funds to pay more taxes and earn less money so teachers will have less money when they retire; OK I now understand what you want

What I am saying is that corporations pay taxes.

You said the other nonsense.

Are we clear now?
 
I'll laugh my ass off when I see places like Barstow, Needles and Stockton try to make it without the money generated by Silicon Valley, LA and San Diego.

Stockton isn't making it today, that said, I don't know that Stockton wants part of getting out. Also I get very much how muh of the state wants to distance themselves.
 
Nah...you can't even get the right wing nuts to support this one.

So no voter ID required to split the state in two, OK, it's not my state.
 
If the state of California talk of a split ever went to a vote, would they all of a sudden require voters to have ID? If not I'd fly out and vote for the split in a heart beat.

How about you?

What the heck...

I've got some free miles.

Which half gets the debt?
 
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