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Backward people of Oregon complain about self-serve gas stations.

If I may...

I first traveled to Oregon around 1979 or 80 and they had the policy then. I went to tank up, and a voice told me it's against the law. The rationale has NOTHING to do with jobs, but rather safety. The reason I was given is that gasoline is a highly volatile substance and in any other setting you would need a license. Since then I paid attention when I'm at the pump to see how much gas is spilled by other motorists......

I suggest a case can be made simply based on waste.

Yeah I know its amazing how many gas stations blow up each day by some idiot not knowing how to fill his/her gas tank. We need the gas pump police to not let you out of your car and keep the windows up. Then the attendant comes out, who has spent countless hours in training to be the only qualified person who knows how to pump gas.
 
You have no idea what variations in overhead are involved or how profitable other items sold by that retailer are. Many retail outlets sell "loss leaders" (products near, at or even below wholesale cost) knowing that few will limit their purchases to only that item.

Yes, I'm sure you're the "Carnac of Retail". :roll:

Way to miss the point. If the three places in my example are all owned by the same company, and are close together, variations in overhead is small, if any at all. At that point price fluctuation takes on more of a customer demographic and 'demand' aspect.
 
I think you are confusing a couple issues. It's true that if you can make widgets for a dime and sell all the widgets you can make for a dollar, you will not be selling eleven cent widgets. It's also true that if the consumer will only pay nine cents you will not find widgets on the shelf.

Gas didn't go sky high because labor cost less, Gas went sky high because crude went from $2 to $15 and beyond. I'm old enough to remember full service. Gas cost less at the self service. Some stations had both alternatives. People chose the savings. Full service
closed down. With a dozen or so brands and hundreds of individual owners of stations in Richmond, there is little chance of collusion.
I go where the price is lowest. .

When I lived on the west coast gas prices between brands was usually pretty drastic. Sometimes I would see as much as a 40c difference just across the street. Where I live now differences between brands is almost nothing to where it's often insignificant.
 
Yes, I'm sure you're the "Carnac of Retail". :roll:

Way to miss the point. If the three places in my example are all owned by the same company, and are close together, variations in overhead is small, if any at all. At that point price fluctuation takes on more of a customer demographic and 'demand' aspect.

I see that you have decided that an important variable is customer demographic - carefully omitted from your first post. Next you will tell me that houses located "close together" should be priced alike regardless of the neighborhood demographic.
 
I see that you have decided that an important variable is customer demographic - carefully omitted from your first post. Next you will tell me that houses located "close together" should be priced alike regardless of the neighborhood demographic.

You must be feeling argumentative today. You're nitpicking irrelevant **** aspects. Your football team lose in the playoffs?

Get a good night's sleep. Tomorrow will be better. :)
 
You must be feeling argumentative today. You're nitpicking irrelevant **** aspects. Your football team lose in the playoffs?

Get a good night's sleep. Tomorrow will be better. :)

I am not the one getting worked up over (unjustified?) differences in gasoline prices in some unspecified small area.
 
Many kids are far more responsible, than we give them credit for.

I too was raised in a similar environment, working since I was 10.

I believe in giving a kid all the incremental responsibility they want, if they are handling it. That's what I did with my kids, and they are way better-off than many of their peers. Early in life they learned the value of a dollar, and personal responsibility. They also learned to interact in a responsible manner outside the house, at an early age. It built their confidence in interacting with greater society at-large, and gave then a distinct head-up on their friends in terms of societal functionality. They also grew in independence.

Kids are each unique in their ability to accept & handle responsibility. It's our job as parents, to provide them with the best environment to allow them to grow in their own unique manner. We owe them that. So I say, "Let them run, if they show they are ready!"

It was too much responsibility. I remember the day I did get hurt. It was the local priest who stepped up and took charge of the situation. Most radiator caps have 2 clicks before coming off. The first click usually venting the pressure out a hose or around the side of the cap. We always put a full bath towel over the cap and turned it to the first click to vent the pressure then I could safely fill the system. I had a customer who had a make shift cap on the radiator and when I turned it to the first click it blew off putting second degree burns on parts of my hand and arms. I was the only one there and continued to work not realizing how bad it was. The very next customer was the local priest who immediately closed the station and took me to the doctors. As a teenager you are more scared about screwing up than getting the help you need. That is where the wisdom or the adult trump's most kids easily.

It was funny because I had no insurance back then and I asked how we were going to pay the doctor. The Priest opened the register took the money and said this is how. I remember telling the priest my boss will be very upset and the priest said good because I am already upset.
 
Nope the federal excise tax is a fixed amount per gallon (not at all retail price dependent).



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_States

The point is that retail profits on a gallon of gasoline are small so you are not being "gouged" at all. Think before you drink - even your Kool-Aid. If you want to see real price gouging then go inside and buy some milk.

https://yourbusiness.azcentral.com/average-milk-profit-margin-29349.html

Here's a chart on gas prices from 1070 to 2017 that will illustrate what I'm saying.

Gas Price History Graph (historic prices)
 
It was too much responsibility. I remember the day I did get hurt. It was the local priest who stepped up and took charge of the situation. Most radiator caps have 2 clicks before coming off. The first click usually venting the pressure out a hose or around the side of the cap. We always put a full bath towel over the cap and turned it to the first click to vent the pressure then I could safely fill the system. I had a customer who had a make shift cap on the radiator and when I turned it to the first click it blew off putting second degree burns on parts of my hand and arms. I was the only one there and continued to work not realizing how bad it was. The very next customer was the local priest who immediately closed the station and took me to the doctors. As a teenager you are more scared about screwing up than getting the help you need. That is where the wisdom or the adult trump's most kids easily.

It was funny because I had no insurance back then and I asked how we were going to pay the doctor. The Priest opened the register took the money and said this is how. I remember telling the priest my boss will be very upset and the priest said good because I am already upset.
That's a helluva' story Pipewrench, and I know the two-step radiator caps well. I haven't had to open one in many years, though. But a homemade cap? That would seem to put some responsibility on the customer to warn you, too.

But I won't disagree in the hazards of too much unsupervised responsibility for a given kid. Which is why I spoke generally, and predicated that the responsibility has to be both wanted by the child and in the child's ability. But still, I'm all for giving them as much as they can safely handle.

Straight-up though, I did a ton of stuff when younger that might not fly as well today. It was a different era, and my parents were working-class immigrant stock, living in a very modest working-class immigrant neighborhood. Everyone around us worked like dogs to get ahead, entire families, and the kids were expected to hustle and contribute from a young age. And if their parents had a small family business, even if was just selling stuff out their back door, or making something in their basement or garage, the kids were often helping out from the very earliest ages! This is how my family was, with our shop. We we're helping my mom by the second & third grade! The customers loved us, and it was very rewarding.

I think I can say that not much of growing up like this has cost me negatively, and a great deal has benefited me very well. But I must say this, too: While work was highly prized, for their kids my parents prioritized our educations as first above everything. They wanted us to work, but they firstly insisted we do well in school, and stay in school. They worked very hard for us, so they expected us to work very hard too - just at everything! :mrgreen:

(And I've passed down that same work ethos to my kids)

BTW - The priest part was great. I'm Catholic, and grew-up with some very tough & practical priests.
 
That's a helluva' story Pipewrench, and I know the two-step radiator caps well. I haven't had to open one in many years, though. But a homemade cap? That would seem to put some responsibility on the customer to warn you, too.

But I won't disagree in the hazards of too much unsupervised responsibility for a given kid. Which is why I spoke generally, and predicated that the responsibility has to be both wanted by the child and in the child's ability. But still, I'm all for giving them as much as they can safely handle.

Straight-up though, I did a ton of stuff when younger that might not fly as well today. It was a different era, and my parents were working-class immigrant stock, living in a very modest working-class immigrant neighborhood. Everyone around us worked like dogs to get ahead, entire families, and the kids were expected to hustle and contribute from a young age. And if their parents had a small family business, even if was just selling stuff out their back door, or making something in their basement or garage, the kids were often helping out from the very earliest ages! This is how my family was, with our shop. We we're helping my mom by the second & third grade! The customers loved us, and it was very rewarding.

I think I can say that not much of growing up like this has cost me negatively, and a great deal has benefited me very well. But I must say this, too: While work was highly prized, for their kids my parents prioritized our educations as first above everything. They wanted us to work, but they firstly insisted we do well in school, and stay in school. They worked very hard for us, so they expected us to work very hard too - just at everything! :mrgreen:

(And I've passed down that same work ethos to my kids)

BTW - The priest part was great. I'm Catholic, and grew-up with some very tough & practical priests.

Not a home made cap but the wrong cap from a junk yard someone forced on. Luckily the large towel di a good job of protecting my face and neck. Unfortunately my hands took the brunt of the hot antifreeze. It was the tender skin around the wrist and back hand that instantly blistered. I was his alter boy at the time as well. Little town everyone knew everyone back then. People didn't move around as much back then either.

Today there would be an investigation. There would be criminal charges. I would probably have a record. All unnecessary. Everything worked out fine and I am even more cautious opening a radiator cap today.
 
Here's a chart on gas prices from 1070 to 2017 that will illustrate what I'm saying.

Gas Price History Graph (historic prices)

That is not done by the gasoline retailers - get a better clue, Sherlock.

Everyone likes to blame the president at the time, or Exxon. But in reality it's not determined in the US. There is a world price of oil, determined by the world's supply of and demand for oil. The average price of US regular (in 2012 $) is almost exactly the world price of oil plus $1.00/gallon. How is that?

A barrel of oil is 42 US gallons. So say the world price is $84/barrel. Divide that by 42 to get the price of oil per gallon — $2 in this example. Then the price at the pump will be right about $3.00/gallon in 2012 dollars. Slightly more, in today's dollars. You can see the proof of this here.
 
Social media sites are on fire with ridicule for the people of Oregon complaining about self-serve gas stations allowed in the state under a new law that had prohibited them.

The other day it was -3 in New Hampshire with a 17-mile-an-hour wind on the highway where a busy convenience store is located. I got out of my car and quickly zipped up my jacket while I cursed myself for not wearing gloves. My numb fingers fumbled to get my wallet and choose a credit card. I stood in the biting gale facing a gas pump with a small screen on its face that began barking advertisements for everything from winter gadgets to TV programs.

I slid the credit card into a slot and then just as my eyes were starting to freeze shut I had to answer several questions about how I wanted to use the card by operating a touch screen with my now frostbitten fingers.As my nose started turning blue I had to take an IQ test and remember the pin number that went with card I chose to use. At this point the biological phenomenon of shivering had begun to set in while the miracle of modern technology worked its magic telling me my card was approved. The ordeal was just beginning.

Now I had to choose which grade of fuel I wanted by aiming my blood-drained hand at one of the buttons and watching a light come on. At this worrying moment the pure white digits on the ends of my hands had become sausages and it was a struggle to get the little door open on the side of the car to get to the gas cap. In the extreme chill my wrists had lost the ability to swivel and I had to use two hands to unscrew it.

Now at long last I reached for the gas nozzle and with my last bit of strength, slid it into the car. I fantasized about the olden days while the gas was pumping. As I began to freeze like a statue I thought about the 1950’s in the passenger seat of my dad’s car.

He’d pull into a gas station and an attendant would come right out. Dad never asked for more than three-dollars-worth and the attendant would always wash the windshield and ask if he wanted the oil checked. Dad never had to get out of the car to brave the wind.

Those people in Oregon are living in the past.

They’re idiots-right?

NO, the media just likes to make a non-story into a story by posting a couple of quotes from a couple of dumbasses. We really don't care one way or the other and while most of us like having our gas pumped for us, if we had to pump it ourselves, it wouldn't be a big deal. Basically, you got suckered by 100% pure yellow journalism...
 
The old law meant - jobs - and customers didn't have to get out and shlep the gas pump. It was very nice. Guy up there some years ago said it meant some 20,000 jobs for the state; now all those are going to go away and the price of gas will just go up.

The only counties where pumping your own gas is legal are those with populations under 40,000, so the job loss will be minimal, especially when you consider that the stations will still have to have at least one attendant on duty for ADA compliance.
 
That is not done by the gasoline retailers - get a better clue, Sherlock.

I gave you the proofs on self serve gas going up. If you don't believe it, that's on you.
 
The only counties where pumping your own gas is legal are those with populations under 40,000, so the job loss will be minimal, especially when you consider that the stations will still have to have at least one attendant on duty for ADA compliance.

All self serve stations have at least one attendant on duty. They should have left it as is.
 
I gave you the proofs on self serve gas going up and down. If you don't believe it, that's on you.

Bolded above added, by me, for honesty. You also gave proof as to the cause - global crude oil price changes which are not, in any way, caused by US gasoline retailers involved in price gouging (your initial claim).
 
Well, I guess my humor is lost here. Maybe it's my age. I still remember full service gas stations where there were actually people inside that knew something about cars. I wouldn't mind paying five cents more to have an attendant brave the elements.

I remember getting free sets of glasses at the gas station. You'd collect each one till you had all of them. Oh and Green Stamps.
 
I remember getting free sets of glasses at the gas station. You'd collect each one till you had all of them. Oh and Green Stamps.

Now you've done it. You've spilled the beans. Good to know someone here has reached his 90's. :)
 
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Since cars can drive themselves why can't they pump their own gas?
 
here's an idea ... all those people that want to keep full-service alive can buy a gas station and staff it to serve the customers.

Judging by the fervor over allowing self-serve stations, there should be no problem finding customers to patronize such a business.
 
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