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Voter Fraud Database Tops 1,000 Proven Cases

americanwoman said:
I'm still not convinced there is some overall problem and I'm don't agree with collecting every voter's personal information to supposedly try and find out.
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Your information is already collected. It's publicly available.
 
JamesBY said:
Two thousand! Still almost invisble in 135 million votes. There is no, has been no proof, of significant fraud in voting, even by the far right, where it is expected.
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Is this a joke? Who do you think is doing the illegal voting? Illegal immigrants from Poland?
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Yawn. What Trump and Kobach have been directly implying is direct, in-person voter fraud. What Heritage describes isn't that.

And, no, 'the left' has not been arguing that voter fraud 'simply does not occur'.

False premises? No, thank you.
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Because that is impossible to catch unless you check against a social security number database. Ask Kris Kobach about how much ability a state has to do that.
 
Chomsky said:
Last I read, their was nothing in the Constitution claiming the federal government should be running our elections or collecting our voting data, much less that the Trump org should be building a national voter database!

And let's not forget: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The People run the elections, not the government! :doh

This is a grab by the Trump org, under the guise of "government". And it's big government, at that. Does anyone trust Donnie Boy with their personal data? I don't trust him at all, much less trust him with my data!
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What if the election revealed that mass numbers of non-citizens have been voting? This doesn't concern you because states' rights? Tell me, do you know whether states have the ability to clean up their rolls by comparing to social security number databases?
 
Visbek said:
That does not justify disenfranchising voters in the name of fraud reduction.
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Why in the world are we allowing people to vote who can't prove that they are citizens? That's a clown policy.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Knowing Kobach, the numbers produced will be dubious.
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What's dubious are the people who see that we have millions of people in this country who can't vouch for their citizenship on our rolls and are fine with it. What kind of insanity is that?
 
phattonez said:
Because that is impossible to catch unless you check against a social security number database. Ask Kris Kobach about how much ability a state has to do that.
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Why would I? It's an irrelevancy that has not been proven to exist.
 
phattonez said:
What if the election revealed that mass numbers of non-citizens have been voting? This doesn't concern you because states' rights? Tell me, do you know whether states have the ability to clean up their rolls by comparing to social security number databases?
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What if the moon is made of green cheese? Go find proof of massive illegal voting. Hint: IT DOES NOT EXIST except by far right conservatives.
 
JamesBY said:
The far right who suppress and or change the vote because they cannot win legally.
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There's a conspiracy forum for that.
 
JamesBY said:
What if the moon is made of green cheese? Go find proof of massive illegal voting. Hint: IT DOES NOT EXIST except by far right conservatives.
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The fact that Kansas purged tens of thousands after they found out that they couldn't prove their citizenship is plenty of evidence.
 
phattonez said:
The fact that Kansas purged tens of thousands after they found out that they couldn't prove their citizenship is plenty of evidence.
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No, it is not. All states are supposed to purge their roles. So you are admitting the system works: thank you.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Irrelevant. Numerous long term studies have shown it not to exist except as a boogeyman in the minds or RW conspiracy whackjobs.
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You mean the long term studies that rely on states finding the fraud that they have no ability to find?
 
JamesBY said:
No, it is not. All states are supposed to purge their roles. So you are admitting the system works: thank you.
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When is the last time that California purged its rolls?
 
JamesBY said:
When was the last time GA did? Make a point, please.
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The system clearly isn't working if that many people were purged at once.
 
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