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    Re: Voter Fraud Database Tops 1,000 Proven Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Not only is it possible, but it's already happening. Look at this audit that detailed how we currently have 1.4 million illegals working in this country with stolen social security numbers.

    1.4 million illegals working under stolen Social Security numbers: Audit - Washington Times

    If this is possible, then why not defraud elections, which is much easier to get away with?
    So we have 1.4 illegals with Social Security nos.? You're less than halfway there in numbers, if you believe the lower of Trump's fantasy figures. Not anywhere near there in motivation. Have you ever worked with immigrants? I did for 25 years, and cannot imagine them taking my or anyone else's advice to first register and then vote fraudulently. Immigrants, legal and illegal, often have citizen friends and neighbors. No way they would allow them to do such a thing... What is their motivation? Ok, some insidious force pays them, say $50, probably a day's pay for many. Lessee, 1.4 million illegals ALL decide to vote cause I pay them --- cost, $75 million. And they can still go in the booth and vote for the other guy.

    Chicago in the 50s had suspect elections. So did elections the segregated south. It took high government officials, lower level operators, a corrupt culture, the refusal of the federal government to get involved, was well known to anyone paying attention and easily reported on as well. What your are suggesting is the greatest, most well organized, expensive fraud in history. And this miracle is pulled off with no one noticing. Except the all-seeing Donald.

    If you can explain how to organize this, you could do all of Jarred Kushner's jobs in your spare time.

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    Re: Voter Fraud Database Tops 1,000 Proven Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickyjo View Post
    So we have 1.4 illegals with Social Security nos.? You're less than halfway there in numbers, if you believe the lower of Trump's fantasy figures. Not anywhere near there in motivation. Have you ever worked with immigrants? I did for 25 years, and cannot imagine them taking my or anyone else's advice to first register and then vote fraudulently. Immigrants, legal and illegal, often have citizen friends and neighbors. No way they would allow them to do such a thing... What is their motivation? Ok, some insidious force pays them, say $50, probably a day's pay for many. Lessee, 1.4 million illegals ALL decide to vote cause I pay them --- cost, $75 million. And they can still go in the booth and vote for the other guy.

    Chicago in the 50s had suspect elections. So did elections the segregated south. It took high government officials, lower level operators, a corrupt culture, the refusal of the federal government to get involved, was well known to anyone paying attention and easily reported on as well. What your are suggesting is the greatest, most well organized, expensive fraud in history. And this miracle is pulled off with no one noticing. Except the all-seeing Donald.

    If you can explain how to organize this, you could do all of Jarred Kushner's jobs in your spare time.
    That's where you're wrong. There's no organization required. Just come here illegally, register to vote, and do it. It's not hard.

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    "To exercise pressure upon the indigent and the destitute for the sake of gain, and to gather one's profit out of the need of another, is condemned by all laws, human and divine." - Pope Leo XIII

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    Re: Voter Fraud Database Tops 1,000 Proven Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    That's where you're wrong. There's no organization required. Just come here illegally, register to vote, and do it. It's not hard.
    You still haven't explained why immigrants would do this, as most people are generally honest, or alternatively, are fearful of authorities in a country they are visiting -- much more so if they are here improperly. What would motivate them to make millions of individual decisions to do this in any large numbers? Depending on where you live, you can probably find some illegals working somewhere. Go and ask them if they would like to vote in the US.
    Then duck.

    And how will you prevent these clever, persistent aliens from continuing to do this, given their extraordinary motivation to do what you imagine? Voter ID? ... no problem, they'll get fraudulent documents. But the big, overarching question, why would they want to do this? Ain't no there there.
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    Re: Voter Fraud Database Tops 1,000 Proven Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickyjo View Post
    You still haven't explained why immigrants would do this, as most people are generally honest, or alternatively, are fearful of authorities in a country they are visiting -- much more so if they are here improperly. What would motivate them to make millions of individual decisions to do this in any large numbers? Depending on where you live, you can probably find some illegals working somewhere. Go and ask them if they would like to vote in the US.
    Then duck.

    And how will you prevent these clever, persistent aliens from continuing to do this, given their extraordinary motivation to do what you imagine? Voter ID? ... no problem, they'll get fraudulent documents. But the big, overarching question, why would they want to do this? Ain't no there there.
    Imagine you're here illegally. Imagine there's a candidate running who's going to grant you citizenship, and one who's promising to deport you. Why wouldn't you go ahead and vote illegally for the one who's going to protect you?

    As for your second question, why would you do nothing to protect against fraud in the face of the huge incentives for doing it?

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    Re: Voter Fraud Database Tops 1,000 Proven Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Not only is it possible, but it's already happening. Look at this audit that detailed how we currently have 1.4 million illegals working in this country with stolen social security numbers.

    1.4 million illegals working under stolen Social Security numbers: Audit - Washington Times

    If this is possible, then why not defraud elections, which is much easier to get away with?
    A. There's still no evidence for Trump's claim.
    B. That link you supplied to the Moonie Times doesn't demonstrate that 'it's already happening'.
    C. Why be so dishonest?
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    Re: Voter Fraud Database Tops 1,000 Proven Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Imagine you're here illegally. Imagine there's a candidate running who's going to grant you citizenship, and one who's promising to deport you. Why wouldn't you go ahead and vote illegally for the one who's going to protect you?

    As for your second question, why would you do nothing to protect against fraud in the face of the huge incentives for doing it?
    Please provide evidence that supports Trump's claim. You've been asked to do so several times, and all you can do is offer empty conjecture with no basis in reality.
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    Re: Voter Fraud Database Tops 1,000 Proven Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Imagine you're here illegally. Imagine there's a candidate running who's going to grant you citizenship, and one who's promising to deport you. Why wouldn't you go ahead and vote illegally for the one who's going to protect you?

    As for your second question, why would you do nothing to protect against fraud in the face of the huge incentives for doing it?
    Doesn't wash. They wouldn't do it. I worked with immigrants for 25 years. Everyone of my colleagues in the same field would counsel against it, people who work with them daily. The incentives don't exist. These are not stupid people, they would laugh at the suggestion. Go out and volunteer with immigrant assistant organizations, ask around, and report back. If your findings contradict mine, we can talk.

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    Re: Voter Fraud Database Tops 1,000 Proven Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickyjo View Post
    Doesn't wash. They wouldn't do it. I worked with immigrants for 25 years. Everyone of my colleagues in the same field would counsel against it, people who work with them daily. The incentives don't exist. These are not stupid people, they would laugh at the suggestion. Go out and volunteer with immigrant assistant organizations, ask around, and report back. If your findings contradict mine, we can talk.
    They absolutely exist. I just explained to you what the incentives are.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "To exercise pressure upon the indigent and the destitute for the sake of gain, and to gather one's profit out of the need of another, is condemned by all laws, human and divine." - Pope Leo XIII

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