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    Re: Voter Fraud Database Tops 1,000 Proven Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Renae View Post
    Imagine what a serious in depth investigation of voter fraud would reveal...
    Two thousand! Still almost invisble in 135 million votes. There is no, has been no proof, of significant fraud in voting, even by the far right, where it is expected.

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    Re: Voter Fraud Database Tops 1,000 Proven Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Renae View Post
    Imagine what a serious indepth investigation of voter fraud would reveal...
    First of all, this source you cite includes "false registrations", which doesn't mean voter fraud. Furthermore, of the first several cases of "false registration" listed, none of them has suggested the person voted under their false registration. In fact, several of them were to run for an elected position, not to vote. So your "1000 cases" already has a HUGE problem with integrity.

    Second of all, I see at least one of the cases goes all the way back to 1991. That's over 25 years ago. In that time, in JUST presidential elections alone, the Republican and Democratic candidates have received over 775,000,000 votes (this doesn't include third party votes, which would push the total over 800,000,000 on Ross Perot's votes alone). This means, according to my math, if we accept as true your 1071 cases (which isn't true for reasons already mentioned) you're talking about .000138 percent of votes being fraudulent.

    So yes, imagine what an in-depth investigation would reveal...MAYBE it'd get up to .000139%. Who knows?
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    Re: Voter Fraud Database Tops 1,000 Proven Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense 1 View Post
    This goes along with the thread.

    Liberal hysteria over Trump's voter fraud panel proves why it's needed

    OPINION | Liberal hysteria over Trump's voter fraud panel proves why it's needed | TheHill

    The commission’s first action was to ask all 50 states to send in voter registration records — including names, dates of birth, and voting history — in order to study the extent of voter fraud. A number of states have refused to comply.

    How could states hold onto such information? Well, they can’t. The Trump administration only requested information that is “publicly available under the laws of your state.” In the case of the last four digits of social security numbers, the commission only requested that information if it is public record in any particular state. States can of course send in all the other information to the commission but withhold partial social security numbers if they are not public record.

    That’s not what the headlines say, though. There is full-on panic from the same people that say voter fraud never happens. To a CNN contributor, it’s a “sham.” To the New York Times editorial board, it’s “fraudulent.” Left-of-center voters were so offended by the commission, that they bombarded its office with porn. The open meetings are operating “in the dark,” says the ACLU. It will “suppress” the vote. It’s Trump’s “biggest lie.”
    If you are conservative, then you must support the states that refuse to comply. That is there right. Trump has no right to citizens' personal info.

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    Re: Voter Fraud Database Tops 1,000 Proven Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    How about just "collecting" their driver's licenses state i.d.?
    I don't believe all voters drive.

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    Re: Voter Fraud Database Tops 1,000 Proven Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Renae View Post
    Imagine what a serious indepth investigation of voter fraud would reveal...
    You guys have been flogging this horse for YEARS.

    Nobody on the left says there's none. Just not enough to be significant.

    If there were enough to matter, y'all would have found it by now.



    Of course there is some voter fraud.

    1000 cases.
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    Re: Voter Fraud Database Tops 1,000 Proven Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    How about just "collecting" their driver's licenses state i.d.?
    And publish everybody's address?
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
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    Re: Voter Fraud Database Tops 1,000 Proven Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Renae View Post
    Imagine what a serious indepth investigation of voter fraud would reveal...
    Yawn. What Trump and Kobach have been directly implying is direct, in-person voter fraud. What Heritage describes isn't that.

    And, no, 'the left' has not been arguing that voter fraud 'simply does not occur'.

    False premises? No, thank you.
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    Re: Voter Fraud Database Tops 1,000 Proven Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Renae View Post
    Imagine what a serious indepth investigation of voter fraud would reveal...
    I think that the "does not occur" argument is more that the kind of voter fraud that would be stopped with voter ID laws is exceedingly rare.
    Indeed, this voter fraud cases report shows that there were around a dozen impersonation cases since 2004—around one a year.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Voter Fraud Database Tops 1,000 Proven Cases

    Last I read, their was nothing in the Constitution claiming the federal government should be running our elections or collecting our voting data, much less that the Trump org should be building a national voter database!

    And let's not forget: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    The People run the elections, not the government!

    This is a grab by the Trump org, under the guise of "government". And it's big government, at that. Does anyone trust Donnie Boy with their personal data? I don't trust him at all, much less trust him with my data!
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    Re: Voter Fraud Database Tops 1,000 Proven Cases

    And to add:

    Whatever fraud - if any - occurring at the individual level, will pale in comparison to that which will occur at the federal level within the Trump administration.

    How could anyone be so naive, as to go along with this?
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