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    Re: Oregon raises smoking age to 21

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Oregon Senate approves raising legal tobacco age to 21

    Just stupid, why should legal adults not be permitted to purchase a legal product? Why not just ban the retail sale of tobacco period if smoking is so bad?
    That's what I've been saying for years, and I think that's what they'd really like to do, but won't for two reasons...

    1) It does bring in revenue,

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    2) They know that outright prohibition would be a huge cost in enforcement and crime related issues.
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    Re: Oregon raises smoking age to 21

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    That's what I've been saying for years, and I think that's what they'd really like to do, but won't for two reasons...

    1) It does bring in revenue,

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    2) They know that outright prohibition would be a huge cost in enforcement and crime related issues.
    I would imagine that any revenue it brings in is more than offset by the health costs of it. You would have to pay a lot of cigarette taxes to offset the costs of lung cancer treatment, COPD, and heart disease.
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    Re: Oregon raises smoking age to 21

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I would imagine that any revenue it brings in is more than offset by the health costs of it. You would have to pay a lot of cigarette taxes to offset the costs of lung cancer treatment, COPD, and heart disease.
    Possibly, but that doesn't touch the added costs from the resulting crime and attempts to enforce outright prohibition.
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    Re: Oregon raises smoking age to 21

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Possibly, but that doesn't touch the added costs from the resulting crime and attempts to enforce outright prohibition.
    I agree and I am against prohibition for that reason. I am just saying that tobacco taxes hardly cover its health costs to society.
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    Re: Oregon raises smoking age to 21

    A better question is why a state is allowed to have such a high margine of tax on a product? Why not a soda tax, a gasoline tax, an alcohal tax. Oh wait they do have those. Democrat lead governments tax products they dont like in society as a way to fund their agendas instead of taxing all products the same and allowing the free market determine the prices. Its a form of social control instead of allowing freedom.
    Now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, liberal, fanatical, criminal.

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    Re: Oregon raises smoking age to 21

    Quote Originally Posted by jdog21 View Post
    A better question is why a state is allowed to have such a high margine of tax on a product? Why not a soda tax, a gasoline tax, an alcohal tax. Oh wait they do have those. Democrat lead governments tax products they dont like in society as a way to fund their agendas instead of taxing all products the same and allowing the free market determine the prices. Its a form of social control instead of allowing freedom.
    It all boils down to political clout. The amount of all sin taxes are based on political clout. Smokers used to have it, 40+ years ago, now they don't.

    Lose your clout, become an insignificant voting minority, your taxes go up.
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    Re: Oregon raises smoking age to 21

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    I don't think that should be 21 either. In Canada the drinking age is 19 and all hellfire and brimstone somehow hasn't fallen there
    In Alberta the drinking age is 18 and I believe Sask is the same
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    Re: Oregon raises smoking age to 21

    Quote Originally Posted by jdog21 View Post
    A better question is why a state is allowed to have such a high margine of tax on a product? Why not a soda tax, a gasoline tax, an alcohal tax. Oh wait they do have those. Democrat lead governments tax products they dont like in society as a way to fund their agendas instead of taxing all products the same and allowing the free market determine the prices. Its a form of social control instead of allowing freedom.
    You don't have "freedom" to impose the costs of your choices on others. We have gas taxes because they fund the roads vehicles drive on. We have tobacco taxes because tobacco use has a very high health cost on society. Smoking related illnesses cost us some 300 billion a year. https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_sta...acts/index.htm

    I don't smoke, so why I should I have to pay for that?
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    Re: Oregon raises smoking age to 21

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You don't have "freedom" to impose the costs of your choices on others. We have gas taxes because they fund the roads vehicles drive on. We have tobacco taxes because tobacco use has a very high health cost on society. Smoking related illnesses cost us some 300 billion a year. https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_sta...acts/index.htm

    I don't smoke, so why I should I have to pay for that?
    Ok, fair point. Now, in the spirit of fairness, it is not uncommon for smoking sin taxes to fund things that are not smoking-related at all, like child care programs. Why should smokers have to pay for that?

    Here's just one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califo...tion_10_(1998)

    I've heard some say that good childhood development benefits everybody. Ok, I can go with that, but then if everybody benefits shouldn't everybody be taxed for it? Why only the politically insignificant smokers?
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    Re: Oregon raises smoking age to 21

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Ok, fair point. Now, in the spirit of fairness, it is not uncommon for smoking sin taxes to fund things that are not smoking-related at all, like child care programs. Why should smokers have to pay for that?

    Here's just one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califo...tion_10_(1998)

    I've heard some say that good childhood development benefits everybody. Ok, I can go with that, but then if everybody benefits shouldn't everybody be taxed for it? Why only the politically insignificant smokers?
    I think a better solution than cigarette taxes would be to allow insurers to charge smokers whatever actuaries determine warrants their actual increased risk due to their smoking habit (insurers can charge smokers more now, but not that much more) and to increase Medicare taxes for smokers to whatever actuaries would determine is needed to cover their increased health risks.
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