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    Mass. wants to defy voters on legal pot.

    I debated this until I was blue in the face for 35 years. I got sick of saying it was a much safer drug than booze, cigarettes and almost all illegal drugs or the hypocrisy of the whole anti marijuana crusade and the fanaticism that drove them. Now the Mass house is trying to defy voters and screw with the law big time. They are trying to raise the tax to 28% from the voter approved bill. Will the crusaders never quit even after the fight is lost.

    People need to stop trying to make it hard on pot smokers. It is stupid to raise taxes to the point the legal market can't compete with the black market. It is stupid for employers to deny jobs to pot smokers where there is no proof they make more mistakes or get hurt more. Give me a break anti pot moral crusaders. The fight is over and you will learn what we pot smokers have known for years. Marijuana is fun and popular. People will not put up with steps backward on this new right we have fought for.

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    Re: Mass. wants to defy voters on legal pot.

    Quote Originally Posted by ProgRockFan1978 View Post
    I debated this until I was blue in the face for 35 years. I got sick of saying it was a much safer drug than booze, cigarettes and almost all illegal drugs or the hypocrisy of the whole anti marijuana crusade and the fanaticism that drove them. Now the Mass house is trying to defy voters and screw with the law big time. They are trying to raise the tax to 28% from the voter approved bill. Will the crusaders never quit even after the fight is lost.

    People need to stop trying to make it hard on pot smokers. It is stupid to raise taxes to the point the legal market can't compete with the black market. It is stupid for employers to deny jobs to pot smokers where there is no proof they make more mistakes or get hurt more. Give me a break anti pot moral crusaders. The fight is over and you will learn what we pot smokers have known for years. Marijuana is fun and popular. People will not put up with steps backward on this new right we have fought for.
    Still though that was a ballot initiative not a bill. They could have just said this cannot become law because the tax revenue isn't enough and they could have dropped it its been done before for other things perhaps not in mass but its been done in other states.
    There were people saying last year that the taxes on it were too low before it was voted on. Colorado pot tax is 15% for wholesale plus 10% for retail plus 2.9% for state plus up to 3.5% for local so it can be as high as 31.4% there.
    The 10% retail tax was added after the tax revenue wasn't enough to cover the oversight and administration. So there was a precedent example to go by regarding what the tax margins needed to be.

    People may want something but if it realistically has to be changed to work then what do you do?

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    Re: Mass. wants to defy voters on legal pot.

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialD View Post
    Still though that was a ballot initiative not a bill. They could have just said this cannot become law because the tax revenue isn't enough and they could have dropped it its been done before for other things perhaps not in mass but its been done in other states.
    There were people saying last year that the taxes on it were too low before it was voted on. Colorado pot tax is 15% for wholesale plus 10% for retail plus 2.9% for state plus up to 3.5% for local so it can be as high as 31.4% there.
    The 10% retail tax was added after the tax revenue wasn't enough to cover the oversight and administration. So there was a precedent example to go by regarding what the tax margins needed to be.

    People may want something but if it realistically has to be changed to work then what do you do?
    There are plenty of reasons to legalize other than tax money. That said the state of Washington makes tons with lower tax than 28%. There are plenty of benefits. Not throwing people in jail or prison for marijuana is number 1in my book. Now we need to stop pot smokers from being discriminated against for jobs. There is no solid proof pot smokers do any worse or better job than anybody else. Job performance is all a employer should be worried about.

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    Re: Mass. wants to defy voters on legal pot.

    Quote Originally Posted by ProgRockFan1978 View Post
    There are plenty of reasons to legalize other than tax money. That said the state of Washington makes tons with lower tax than 28%. There are plenty of benefits. Not throwing people in jail or prison for marijuana is number 1in my book. Now we need to stop pot smokers from being discriminated against for jobs. There is no solid proof pot smokers do any worse or better job than anybody else. Job performance is all a employer should be worried about.
    Uhh the tax rate for pot in Washington is 37% excise tax.

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    Re: Mass. wants to defy voters on legal pot.

    Quote Originally Posted by ProgRockFan1978 View Post
    I debated this until I was blue in the face for 35 years. I got sick of saying it was a much safer drug than booze, cigarettes and almost all illegal drugs or the hypocrisy of the whole anti marijuana crusade and the fanaticism that drove them. Now the Mass house is trying to defy voters and screw with the law big time. They are trying to raise the tax to 28% from the voter approved bill. Will the crusaders never quit even after the fight is lost.

    People need to stop trying to make it hard on pot smokers. It is stupid to raise taxes to the point the legal market can't compete with the black market. It is stupid for employers to deny jobs to pot smokers where there is no proof they make more mistakes or get hurt more. Give me a break anti pot moral crusaders. The fight is over and you will learn what we pot smokers have known for years. Marijuana is fun and popular. People will not put up with steps backward on this new right we have fought for.
    There is so much ignorance in this post I almost dont know where to begin.

    First lets start with your assertion the marijuana is less harmful alcohol, this is debatable but irrelevant. Alcohol is a harmful substance that is a major factor in 45% of crimes and you want to unleash marijuana on the population because it slightly less harmful?

    As for Mass "defying" the voters, the country and the state of Mass are Representative democracy and not a direct democracy for a reason. The will of the voters only extends as far as the representatives the choose. So if the representatives see the need to alter a bill thats exactly how the system is supposed to work.

    As for workplace accidents: "In May 2015, an article in the Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine concluded that there is a likely statistical association between illicit drug use, including marijuana, and workplace accidents"

    Marijuana Use and Its Impact on Workplace Safety and Productivity -- Occupational Health & Safety

    Its has nothing to with "moral crusaders", legal marijuana is objectively harmful to society and I would argue to a point that it should not ever be legalized

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    Re: Mass. wants to defy voters on legal pot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    There is so much ignorance in this post I almost dont know where to begin.

    First lets start with your assertion the marijuana is less harmful alcohol, this is debatable but irrelevant. Alcohol is a harmful substance that is a major factor in 45% of crimes and you want to unleash marijuana on the population because it slightly less harmful?

    Its has nothing to with "moral crusaders", legal marijuana is objectively harmful to society and I would argue to a point that it should not ever be legalized
    There's so much ignorance in this post I don't know where to begin. Calling cannabis "barely safer" than alcohol is hilariously stupid. People don't get violent on marijuana like they do on alcohol, not even close. There has been no link to an up-tick in violent crime in the 29 states the legalized medicinal marijuana, nor in the 8 that fully legalized. Not arbitrarily locking people in cages for enjoying a natural plant you despise is not "unleashing marijuana on the population".

    If the rest of you can smoke your cancerous cigarettes, drink yourself into violence and liver failure, and stuff your fat faces with junk food burdening society with your obesity, I can smoke a plant I found on the ground. You statists are really the worst. Stop trying to use the government as your personal weapon and respect individual liberty.
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    Re: Mass. wants to defy voters on legal pot.

    Quote Originally Posted by ProgRockFan1978 View Post
    There are plenty of reasons to legalize other than tax money. That said the state of Washington makes tons with lower tax than 28%. There are plenty of benefits. Not throwing people in jail or prison for marijuana is number 1in my book. Now we need to stop pot smokers from being discriminated against for jobs. There is no solid proof pot smokers do any worse or better job than anybody else. Job performance is all a employer should be worried about.
    Are you talking about being high on the job, or just that someone who smokes pot on their off time?

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    Re: Mass. wants to defy voters on legal pot.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    There's so much ignorance in this post I don't know where to begin. Calling cannabis "barely safer" than alcohol is hilariously stupid. People don't get violent on marijuana like they do on alcohol, not even close. There has been no link to an up-tick in violent crime in the 29 states the legalized medicinal marijuana, nor in the 8 that fully legalized. Not arbitrarily locking people in cages for enjoying a natural plant you despise is not "unleashing marijuana on the population".

    If the rest of you can smoke your cancerous cigarettes, drink yourself into violence and liver failure, and stuff your fat faces with junk food burdening society with your obesity, I can smoke a plant I found on the ground. You statists are really the worst. Stop trying to use the government as your personal weapon and respect individual liberty.
    Not sure if you know absolutely nothing about marijuana or you thought you could lie and not get caught

    The type or marijuana that gets you high is not natural nor is it "found on the ground", it is specially cultivated to maximize THC content. Any marijuana plant you randomly found on the ground would be worthless to smoke.

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    Re: Mass. wants to defy voters on legal pot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Not sure if you know absolutely nothing about marijuana or you thought you could lie and not get caught

    The type or marijuana that gets you high is not natural nor is it "found on the ground", it is specially cultivated to maximize THC content. Any marijuana plant you randomly found on the ground would be worthless to smoke.
    That is completely incorrect. It has not been genetically modified, it has been selectively bred over thousands and thousands of years, like bananas and most of the things we eat and wild cannabis definitely does have THC. None of this actually matters to the actual point though. You have no problem with the thousands of poisons and dangers in the rest of society, but you want to use the violence of government to enforce your arbitrary beliefs. Someone can smoke tobacco giving themselves lung cancer, drink alcohol and get in a violence induced rage, go buy a rifle and blow away 30 kids or 50 people in a night club, but you're worried about the guy who smoked a plant sitting on his couch watching TV, as if he's the real danger to society.

    This isn't about public safety for you, it's about control and your own desires. You don't see me demanding your obese self get thrown in prison for eating objectively dangerous foods that are harmful to society. Give freedom a chance and stop trying to have the government control other people's bodies. Keep your greasy hands off our plants, statist.
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    Re: Mass. wants to defy voters on legal pot.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    That is completely incorrect. It has not been genetically modified, it has been selectively bred over thousands and thousands of years, like bananas and most of the things we eat and wild cannabis definitely does have THC. None of this actually matters to the actual point though. You have no problem with the thousands of poisons and dangers in the rest of society, but you want to use the violence of government to enforce your arbitrary beliefs. Someone can smoke tobacco giving themselves lung cancer, drink alcohol and get in a violence induced rage, go buy a rifle and blow away 30 kids or 50 people in a night club, but you're worried about the guy who smoked a plant sitting on his couch watching TV, as if he's the real danger to society.

    This isn't about public safety for you, it's about control and your own desires. Give freedom a chance and stop trying to have the government control other people's bodies, statist. You don't see me demanding your obese self get thrown in prison for eating objectively dangerous foods that are harmful to society.
    Come onto my job site smelling of booze or pot and you won't have to look at my ugly mug ever again, because you will never step foot on my job again. Pot heads and boozers who can't wait for knock off to get high are dangerous to themselves and everyone else around them.

    Sitting a home watching TV, sitting out back, or smoking at some party........... is a entirely different scenario altogether.
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