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    Re: Mass. wants to defy voters on legal pot.

    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredUSN View Post
    Come onto my job site smelling of booze or pot and you won't have to look at my ugly mug ever again, because you will never step foot on my job again. Pot heads and boozers who can't wait for knock off to get high are dangerous to themselves and everyone else around them.

    Sitting a home watching TV, sitting out back, or smoking at some party........... is a entirely different scenario altogether.
    And since THC is a fat soluble substance it remains in the body for weeks. That's why if someone smokes pot 4 weeks prior it will show up in a urine sample and they will fail the drug test.
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    Re: Mass. wants to defy voters on legal pot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Not sure if you know absolutely nothing about marijuana or you thought you could lie and not get caught

    The type or marijuana that gets you high is not natural nor is it "found on the ground", it is specially cultivated to maximize THC content. Any marijuana plant you randomly found on the ground would be worthless to smoke.
    I grow pot every year, and I and others here value seeds from wild sativa strains. There's nothing special about cultivating high-powered pot- all you do is kill all the males and let the females keep producing resin in the buds to try to catch drifting pollen. They'll produce resin until they get pollinated, at which time the plant's energy goes into producing seeds, so the trick is to make sure they don't get pollinated. Once about half of the little resin hairs turn amber, you harvest the plant, which means toss out everything that isn't a bud. After you dry it properly, bingo! high-powered pot.
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    Re: Mass. wants to defy voters on legal pot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Not sure if you know absolutely nothing about marijuana or you thought you could lie and not get caught

    The type or marijuana that gets you high is not natural nor is it "found on the ground", it is specially cultivated to maximize THC content. Any marijuana plant you randomly found on the ground would be worthless to smoke.
    You cannot possibly be serious. First of all, you're talking about industrial hemp. That has no or virtually no THC and therefore cannot get someone high. That's different. The other guy already explained that.

    Second, the idea that cultivation of pot means it "is not natural nor is it "found on the ground," makes no sense. Every single fruit or vegetable humans eat has been selectively bred for centuries or millenia. You wouldn't say a carrot "is not natural nor is it "found on the ground," would you?

    Third, your reasoning trips over itself. The only reason we have cultivated pot nowadays is that long ago, people noticed that untended wild strains produced a pleasant effect. So they started cultivating it. So no, it was never true that you cannot get high from wild strains.





    Yet again, you remind us that the people most adamantly opposed to marijuana tend to know the least about it.
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    Re: Mass. wants to defy voters on legal pot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    You cannot possibly be serious. First of all, you're talking about industrial hemp. That has no or virtually no THC and therefore cannot get someone high. That's different. The other guy already explained that.

    Second, the idea that cultivation of pot means it "is not natural nor is it "found on the ground," makes no sense. Every single fruit or vegetable humans eat has been selectively bred for centuries or millenia. You wouldn't say a carrot "is not natural nor is it "found on the ground," would you?

    Third, your reasoning trips over itself. The only reason we have cultivated pot nowadays is that long ago, people noticed that untended wild strains produced a pleasant effect. So they started cultivating it. So no, it was never true that you cannot get high from wild strains.





    Yet again, you remind us that the people most adamantly opposed to marijuana tend to know the least about it.
    I believe what crovax was trying to say I believe is that much of the pot people are smoking today is not what grows naturally but are sativa-indica crossbreeds or even genetically manipulated hybrids that have a much higher thc content.
    These are not the plants that you would or usually throw some seeds out in the garden and they grow. They often require specialized environments and lighting, some are grown hydro or aeroponically etc.. the high caliber pot that is out there these days most people couldn't grow successfully.
    There is wild or easily grown pot sure. but its not the stuff you will see above 20% thc content like the indoor, climate controlled GMO hybrids but prob more in the 4-8% ranges. but yes you can still get high off of that of course.

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    Re: Mass. wants to defy voters on legal pot.

    Smoking pot can cost you your life.

    Say it ain't true?

    Well, I know a dude, who got that baby-boomer Hep C, and he was denied treatment because his pee test showed up positive for pot. Anything the insurance people can use to avoid having to pay for 90k worth of medication, they will use.

    Dude could have been cured in 90 days. But since pot is a schedule 1 narcotic, like heroin, etc., they have a loophole to deny him his treatment.

    Many hidden reasons for keeping pot illegal. Follow the money.

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    Re: Mass. wants to defy voters on legal pot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    You cannot possibly be serious. First of all, you're talking about industrial hemp. That has no or virtually no THC and therefore cannot get someone high. That's different. The other guy already explained that.

    Second, the idea that cultivation of pot means it "is not natural nor is it "found on the ground," makes no sense. Every single fruit or vegetable humans eat has been selectively bred for centuries or millenia. You wouldn't say a carrot "is not natural nor is it "found on the ground," would you?

    Third, your reasoning trips over itself. The only reason we have cultivated pot nowadays is that long ago, people noticed that untended wild strains produced a pleasant effect. So they started cultivating it. So no, it was never true that you cannot get high from wild strains.

    Yet again, you remind us that the people most adamantly opposed to marijuana tend to know the least about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by SocialD View Post
    I believe what crovax was trying to say I believe is that much of the pot people are smoking today is not what grows naturally but are sativa-indica crossbreeds or even genetically manipulated hybrids that have a much higher thc content.
    These are not the plants that you would or usually throw some seeds out in the garden and they grow. They often require specialized environments and lighting, some are grown hydro or aeroponically etc.. the high caliber pot that is out there these days most people couldn't grow successfully.
    There is wild or easily grown pot sure. but its not the stuff you will see above 20% thc content like the indoor, climate controlled GMO hybrids but prob more in the 4-8% ranges. but yes you can still get high off of that of course.
    As I pointed out they are not "genetically manipulated" except to the extent that humans have always bred stuff they raised. Reread points 2 & 3 on that count. Of course people are going to cross-breed something they want to consume. That's what we do.

    As for high-THC outdoor weed, I've encountered it plenty. An old dealer used to grow the stuff in fields he scattered around the state, with minimal supervision. Now that MA legalized, I'm doing my own outdoor experiment, so perhaps I'll check back in in a few months. In point of fact, it's actually much easier to grow good weed outside. The only reason all the indoor growing techniques sprang up is illegality.

    Further, the claims about weed being only a few percent THC in the past are generally derived from old studies. The problem with old studies is that the feds had to supply the weed to be studied, and they deliberately supplied garbage weed. Properly grown weed has always been significantly stronger, whether indoor or outdoor.




    We're overlooking the most important factor in this: the vast vast vast majority of users are not Willie Nelson or Snoop Dog. They do not roll huge joints of whatever they happen to have and smoke them. They take a few puffs as they desire. If the weed is stronger, they actually smoke less of it.

    The whole thing is misdirection by someone who quite obviously has no experience and very little knowledge of it. That's unfortunate, because it's also why the War on Drugs has gone on for so long.
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    Re: Mass. wants to defy voters on legal pot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    As I pointed out they are not "genetically manipulated" except to the extent that humans have always bred stuff they raised. Reread points 2 & 3 on that count. Of course people are going to cross-breed something they want to consume. That's what we do.

    As for high-THC outdoor weed, I've encountered it plenty. An old dealer used to grow the stuff in fields he scattered around the state, with minimal supervision. Now that MA legalized, I'm doing my own outdoor experiment, so perhaps I'll check back in in a few months. In point of fact, it's actually much easier to grow good weed outside. The only reason all the indoor growing techniques sprang up is illegality.

    Further, the claims about weed being only a few percent THC in the past are generally derived from old studies. The problem with old studies is that the feds had to supply the weed to be studied, and they deliberately supplied garbage weed. Properly grown weed has always been significantly stronger, whether indoor or outdoor.

    yea the old studies would say todays marijuana was up to 30 times stronger than the old stuff.. but newer studies that have been done since Colorado has legalized it show there is certainly an increased THC potency
    .. but also many strains have almost no CBD which makes it less useful for medical marijuana.
    as for genetically modified well....
    US Patent Pending for Genetically Modified Marijuana > Hawaii Free Press
    Also Monsanto ( of course the GMO king is jumping in to this ) has created a genetically modified marijuana


    We're overlooking the most important factor in this: the vast vast vast majority of users are not Willie Nelson or Snoop Dog. They do not roll huge joints of whatever they happen to have and smoke them. They take a few puffs as they desire. If the weed is stronger, they actually smoke less of it.

    The whole thing is misdirection by someone who quite obviously has no experience and very little knowledge of it. That's unfortunate, because it's also why the War on Drugs has gone on for so long.

    yea the old studies would say todays marijuana was up to 30 times stronger than the old stuff.. but newer studies that have been done since Colorado has legalized it show there is certainly an increased THC potency
    .. but also many strains have almost no CBD which makes it less useful for medical marijuana.

    as for genetically modified well....
    US Patent Pending for Genetically Modified Marijuana > Hawaii Free Press
    Also Monsanto ( of course the GMO king is jumping in to this ) has created a genetically modified marijuana

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