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Mass. wants to defy voters on legal pot.

Oh by the way. Drug testing is a big money maker so any study coming from these people is bull in the first degree. Give me a break. We are winning the war against this crap.
 
There is so much ignorance in this post I almost dont know where to begin.

First lets start with your assertion the marijuana is less harmful alcohol, this is debatable but irrelevant. Alcohol is a harmful substance that is a major factor in 45% of crimes and you want to unleash marijuana on the population because it slightly less harmful?

As for Mass "defying" the voters, the country and the state of Mass are Representative democracy and not a direct democracy for a reason. The will of the voters only extends as far as the representatives the choose. So if the representatives see the need to alter a bill thats exactly how the system is supposed to work.

As for workplace accidents: "In May 2015, an article in the Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine concluded that there is a likely statistical association between illicit drug use, including marijuana, and workplace accidents"

Marijuana Use and Its Impact on Workplace Safety and Productivity -- Occupational Health & Safety

Its has nothing to with "moral crusaders", legal marijuana is objectively harmful to society and I would argue to a point that it should not ever be legalized

Actually from what you said we should raise the tax on alcohol to 50% and give pot away to those that want it. That would save us billions in HC costs and lost job hours.
 
Be thankful you don't live in a semi-regressive morass like FL.

We voted to legalize medical weed. The state has tried to bury by any means they could find. What made it through in the end is a bill that prohibits product that can be "smoked". WTF? Originally edibles were also to be illegal.

They will be sued, no doubt, the fact that they think they can subvert their constituents and count on their gerrymandered districts to protect their lifetime teat-suckle jobs is maddening.

I knew Rick Scott was a moron from the beginning. He worked for a drug testing company for Gods sake. What the hell is wrong with that state? I watched the debates and Scott looked like a nimrod.
 
I knew Rick Scott was a moron from the beginning. He worked for a drug testing company for Gods sake. What the hell is wrong with that state? I watched the debates and Scott looked like a nimrod.

Scott's company pulled of the biggest theft of Medicare money in history, and he never served a day. Then this state elected him. Now word is he wants to go for Fed. senator.

As for what's wrong, I've only been here a year and a half, and it's still a mystery. Near as I can tell, it's half Georgia rednecks and half relatively normal. Not that all rednecks are bad. My dad was raised to be a Georgia redneck, but college cured him, I guess.
 
Are you talking about being high on the job, or just that someone who smokes pot on their off time?

In spare time. High on the job is a different thing altogether. That said on some physical labor jobs we drank beer and smoked pot all day long when I was 20 and we kicked ass. I smoked pot all the time when I was a Drafter and did just fine just like being a honor student with a 3.6 GPA high all the time.
 
Only 4? Either they weren't good, or you didn't do enough... lol... (Don't listen to a word I say, I was a mushroom warrior in my ne'er-do-well youth, I pushed the limits out into the stratosphere...hehe... I (kinda) remember one epic night I made tea from a half ounce of shrooms, and when no one would do it with me, I drank the whole thing... But, never hurt me, and I turned out alright...hehe)

It's been a long time, though, as the next day isn't conducive to being a productive, responsible adult...lol... At least, not with the responsibilities I have. It was a lot of fun, though. :)

Here in Western Washington we get all kinds. Liberty caps are super powerful. They will make you see colors if you eat more than say 25.I think psychedelic drugs are far less dangerous than Coke, Methamphetamine or opiates provided respect is shown. Most people would never become addicted to them. I think everybody should try them at least once.
 
I debated this until I was blue in the face for 35 years. I got sick of saying it was a much safer drug than booze, cigarettes and almost all illegal drugs or the hypocrisy of the whole anti marijuana crusade and the fanaticism that drove them. Now the Mass house is trying to defy voters and screw with the law big time. They are trying to raise the tax to 28% from the voter approved bill. Will the crusaders never quit even after the fight is lost.

People need to stop trying to make it hard on pot smokers. It is stupid to raise taxes to the point the legal market can't compete with the black market. It is stupid for employers to deny jobs to pot smokers where there is no proof they make more mistakes or get hurt more. Give me a break anti pot moral crusaders. The fight is over and you will learn what we pot smokers have known for years. Marijuana is fun and popular. People will not put up with steps backward on this new right we have fought for.


 
this is what happens when you consume too much cannabis when you visit Japan .....................

 
I smoked right up until my 4th year in the Navy, and I stopped the day my daughter was born in 1981.

Quick story......
My son smokes and always thinks he can hide it from me....(like I care) He let me borrow his fishing Kayak a couple weeks ago for a few hours and dropped it off at my house on his way home after he was on the water all morning with his buddies. He forgot that he left his tupperware in the bait pod. I texted him while I was on the water and said that I cleared out all those nasty weeds in his bait holder and he should take better care of his boat. ;) No texts returned.......:lamo

I have always supported recreational and medical use for pot.

You should've sent a pic of you rolling it into a jay, just to see what his reaction would be. "**** dad's got my stash, aw **** dad's smoking my stash..."
 
There is so much ignorance in this post I almost dont know where to begin.

First lets start with your assertion the marijuana is less harmful alcohol, this is debatable but irrelevant. Alcohol is a harmful substance that is a major factor in 45% of crimes and you want to unleash marijuana on the population because it slightly less harmful?

As for Mass "defying" the voters, the country and the state of Mass are Representative democracy and not a direct democracy for a reason. The will of the voters only extends as far as the representatives the choose. So if the representatives see the need to alter a bill thats exactly how the system is supposed to work.

As for workplace accidents: "In May 2015, an article in the Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine concluded that there is a likely statistical association between illicit drug use, including marijuana, and workplace accidents"

Marijuana Use and Its Impact on Workplace Safety and Productivity -- Occupational Health & Safety

Its has nothing to with "moral crusaders", legal marijuana is objectively harmful to society and I would argue to a point that it should not ever be legalized[/QUO

I looked at that pro drug testing propaganda you posted. How is it a institution that promoted the money making industry of drug testing be expected to give us a un biased opinion? Why drunks are not held to the same standard? I remember working with drunks. They where grouchy on Monday morning. They missed work like crazy and when overtime in Saturday they would show up late if at all. We let those people slide. I would put a person on pot over that any day of the week. I saw old pictures of laborers drinking beer at lunch from 1920.I worked in engineering at Boeing from 1980 to 1994. Drinking was a way of life for those older guys I worked with. They only lived to be about 68 before they died. They also smoked cigarettes like crazy. How can pot be worse that that?
 
hehe...well, in terms of safest recreational drug known to man, it's actually magic mushrooms - it's the fastest drug to leave your system, it leaves nothing behind, and you can't die from any part of it (even too much pot smoked rather than vaporized has similar risks to cigarettes) - but who the hell has time for that past the good ol' college days... ;) hehe

Maybe in retirement........

It is not safer than pot my friend. If you eat too many it can put you into convulsions from raising your body temp to dangerous levels. A guy from North Bend Washington died that way a couple years ago. I saw with my own eyes some moron eat a sandwich baggie full of liberty caps and we had to run that brainless wonder to the emergency room in Puyallup Washington. Yes shrooms are not addicting and like good whiskey are fun in moderation. Not as safe as pot though.
 
Unless you boss fires you for a failed drug test. That has to end now.

One time I quit for a year, went in for a drug test confidant I would pass it. Failed that son of a gun. Now I fake em whether I'm clean or not. It's like in my bones now or something.
 
Come onto my job site smelling of booze or pot and you won't have to look at my ugly mug ever again, because you will never step foot on my job again. Pot heads and boozers who can't wait for knock off to get high are dangerous to themselves and everyone else around them.

Sitting a home watching TV, sitting out back, or smoking at some party........... is a entirely different scenario altogether.

And since THC is a fat soluble substance it remains in the body for weeks. That's why if someone smokes pot 4 weeks prior it will show up in a urine sample and they will fail the drug test.
 
Not sure if you know absolutely nothing about marijuana or you thought you could lie and not get caught

The type or marijuana that gets you high is not natural nor is it "found on the ground", it is specially cultivated to maximize THC content. Any marijuana plant you randomly found on the ground would be worthless to smoke.

I grow pot every year, and I and others here value seeds from wild sativa strains. There's nothing special about cultivating high-powered pot- all you do is kill all the males and let the females keep producing resin in the buds to try to catch drifting pollen. They'll produce resin until they get pollinated, at which time the plant's energy goes into producing seeds, so the trick is to make sure they don't get pollinated. Once about half of the little resin hairs turn amber, you harvest the plant, which means toss out everything that isn't a bud. After you dry it properly, bingo! high-powered pot.
 
Not sure if you know absolutely nothing about marijuana or you thought you could lie and not get caught

The type or marijuana that gets you high is not natural nor is it "found on the ground", it is specially cultivated to maximize THC content. Any marijuana plant you randomly found on the ground would be worthless to smoke.

You cannot possibly be serious. First of all, you're talking about industrial hemp. That has no or virtually no THC and therefore cannot get someone high. That's different. The other guy already explained that.

Second, the idea that cultivation of pot means it "is not natural nor is it "found on the ground," makes no sense. Every single fruit or vegetable humans eat has been selectively bred for centuries or millenia. You wouldn't say a carrot "is not natural nor is it "found on the ground," would you?

Third, your reasoning trips over itself. The only reason we have cultivated pot nowadays is that long ago, people noticed that untended wild strains produced a pleasant effect. So they started cultivating it. So no, it was never true that you cannot get high from wild strains.





Yet again, you remind us that the people most adamantly opposed to marijuana tend to know the least about it.
 
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You cannot possibly be serious. First of all, you're talking about industrial hemp. That has no or virtually no THC and therefore cannot get someone high. That's different. The other guy already explained that.

Second, the idea that cultivation of pot means it "is not natural nor is it "found on the ground," makes no sense. Every single fruit or vegetable humans eat has been selectively bred for centuries or millenia. You wouldn't say a carrot "is not natural nor is it "found on the ground," would you?

Third, your reasoning trips over itself. The only reason we have cultivated pot nowadays is that long ago, people noticed that untended wild strains produced a pleasant effect. So they started cultivating it. So no, it was never true that you cannot get high from wild strains.





Yet again, you remind us that the people most adamantly opposed to marijuana tend to know the least about it.

I believe what crovax was trying to say I believe is that much of the pot people are smoking today is not what grows naturally but are sativa-indica crossbreeds or even genetically manipulated hybrids that have a much higher thc content.
These are not the plants that you would or usually throw some seeds out in the garden and they grow. They often require specialized environments and lighting, some are grown hydro or aeroponically etc.. the high caliber pot that is out there these days most people couldn't grow successfully.
There is wild or easily grown pot sure. but its not the stuff you will see above 20% thc content like the indoor, climate controlled GMO hybrids but prob more in the 4-8% ranges. but yes you can still get high off of that of course.
 
Smoking pot can cost you your life.

Say it ain't true?

Well, I know a dude, who got that baby-boomer Hep C, and he was denied treatment because his pee test showed up positive for pot. Anything the insurance people can use to avoid having to pay for 90k worth of medication, they will use.

Dude could have been cured in 90 days. But since pot is a schedule 1 narcotic, like heroin, etc., they have a loophole to deny him his treatment.

Many hidden reasons for keeping pot illegal. Follow the money.

Always look behind the curtain. :roll:
 
You cannot possibly be serious. First of all, you're talking about industrial hemp. That has no or virtually no THC and therefore cannot get someone high. That's different. The other guy already explained that.

Second, the idea that cultivation of pot means it "is not natural nor is it "found on the ground," makes no sense. Every single fruit or vegetable humans eat has been selectively bred for centuries or millenia. You wouldn't say a carrot "is not natural nor is it "found on the ground," would you?

Third, your reasoning trips over itself. The only reason we have cultivated pot nowadays is that long ago, people noticed that untended wild strains produced a pleasant effect. So they started cultivating it. So no, it was never true that you cannot get high from wild strains.

Yet again, you remind us that the people most adamantly opposed to marijuana tend to know the least about it.

I believe what crovax was trying to say I believe is that much of the pot people are smoking today is not what grows naturally but are sativa-indica crossbreeds or even genetically manipulated hybrids that have a much higher thc content.
These are not the plants that you would or usually throw some seeds out in the garden and they grow. They often require specialized environments and lighting, some are grown hydro or aeroponically etc.. the high caliber pot that is out there these days most people couldn't grow successfully.
There is wild or easily grown pot sure. but its not the stuff you will see above 20% thc content like the indoor, climate controlled GMO hybrids but prob more in the 4-8% ranges. but yes you can still get high off of that of course.

As I pointed out they are not "genetically manipulated" except to the extent that humans have always bred stuff they raised. Reread points 2 & 3 on that count. Of course people are going to cross-breed something they want to consume. That's what we do.

As for high-THC outdoor weed, I've encountered it plenty. An old dealer used to grow the stuff in fields he scattered around the state, with minimal supervision. Now that MA legalized, I'm doing my own outdoor experiment, so perhaps I'll check back in in a few months. In point of fact, it's actually much easier to grow good weed outside. The only reason all the indoor growing techniques sprang up is illegality.

Further, the claims about weed being only a few percent THC in the past are generally derived from old studies. The problem with old studies is that the feds had to supply the weed to be studied, and they deliberately supplied garbage weed. Properly grown weed has always been significantly stronger, whether indoor or outdoor.




We're overlooking the most important factor in this: the vast vast vast majority of users are not Willie Nelson or Snoop Dog. They do not roll huge joints of whatever they happen to have and smoke them. They take a few puffs as they desire. If the weed is stronger, they actually smoke less of it.

The whole thing is misdirection by someone who quite obviously has no experience and very little knowledge of it. That's unfortunate, because it's also why the War on Drugs has gone on for so long.
 
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As I pointed out they are not "genetically manipulated" except to the extent that humans have always bred stuff they raised. Reread points 2 & 3 on that count. Of course people are going to cross-breed something they want to consume. That's what we do.

As for high-THC outdoor weed, I've encountered it plenty. An old dealer used to grow the stuff in fields he scattered around the state, with minimal supervision. Now that MA legalized, I'm doing my own outdoor experiment, so perhaps I'll check back in in a few months. In point of fact, it's actually much easier to grow good weed outside. The only reason all the indoor growing techniques sprang up is illegality.

Further, the claims about weed being only a few percent THC in the past are generally derived from old studies. The problem with old studies is that the feds had to supply the weed to be studied, and they deliberately supplied garbage weed. Properly grown weed has always been significantly stronger, whether indoor or outdoor.

yea the old studies would say todays marijuana was up to 30 times stronger than the old stuff.. but newer studies that have been done since Colorado has legalized it show there is certainly an increased THC potency
.. but also many strains have almost no CBD which makes it less useful for medical marijuana.
as for genetically modified well....
US Patent Pending for Genetically Modified Marijuana > Hawaii Free Press
Also Monsanto ( of course the GMO king is jumping in to this ) has created a genetically modified marijuana


We're overlooking the most important factor in this: the vast vast vast majority of users are not Willie Nelson or Snoop Dog. They do not roll huge joints of whatever they happen to have and smoke them. They take a few puffs as they desire. If the weed is stronger, they actually smoke less of it.

The whole thing is misdirection by someone who quite obviously has no experience and very little knowledge of it. That's unfortunate, because it's also why the War on Drugs has gone on for so long.


yea the old studies would say todays marijuana was up to 30 times stronger than the old stuff.. but newer studies that have been done since Colorado has legalized it show there is certainly an increased THC potency
.. but also many strains have almost no CBD which makes it less useful for medical marijuana.

as for genetically modified well....
US Patent Pending for Genetically Modified Marijuana > Hawaii Free Press
Also Monsanto ( of course the GMO king is jumping in to this ) has created a genetically modified marijuana
 
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