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#Calexit: California want to leave the US after Donald Trump’s election win

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That massive blue block on the left – encompassing California, Oregon, Nevada and Washington state – stands out quite a bit against all of the red.
So it may not be a huge surprise that people living in that Democrat-voting block are now looking at other options – specifically, secession.

#Calexit California wants to secede from US over Trump election win | Metro News



Good, make America Great Again......please leave ....you ninnies!
 
Buuuuuuh bye. Life is going to suck without all those federal contracts. Have a nice day.
 
It's dumb. If you read what needs to happen for them to get out it's basically impossible. They'd have to fight a war to get out and, let's be serious, no one is scared of Californians.
 
That massive blue block on the left – encompassing California, Oregon, Nevada and Washington state – stands out quite a bit against all of the red.
So it may not be a huge surprise that people living in that Democrat-voting block are now looking at other options – specifically, secession.

#Calexit California wants to secede from US over Trump election win | Metro News

Good, make America Great Again......please leave ....you ninnies!

California can't secede, we are obligated to be faithful to our more perfect Union of States.
 
And Canadians don't want them either...Haaaaaaa!
 
There's already a thread on this nonsense.

I'm getting concerned with the fact of folks are taking this seriously and their total lack of understanding as to the importance of California.
 
Their only viable option is to become part of Mexico. But I don't know how Oregon and Washington would feel about hat.
 
There's already a thread on this nonsense.

I'm getting concerned with the fact of folks are taking this seriously and their total lack of understanding as to the importance of California.

Shhhh, don't interrupt, they are busy here.
 
They should split into two states instead. Let North California be it's own state, so they don't have to live under the constant rule of South California.
 
That massive blue block on the left – encompassing California, Oregon, Nevada and Washington state – stands out quite a bit against all of the red.
So it may not be a huge surprise that people living in that Democrat-voting block are now looking at other options – specifically, secession.

#Calexit California wants to secede from US over Trump election win | Metro News



Good, make America Great Again......please leave ....you ninnies!


Ah, the Great Divider, at it again.
Tweets? A British tabloid site reporting on Tweets? And this makes you happy.
 
They should split into two states instead. Let North California be it's own state, so they don't have to live under the constant rule of South California.

Is this a joke? The governor, Jerry Brown, is from the Bay Area. The lieutenant governor, Gavin Newsom, is from the Bay Area. Both senators, Kamala Harris and Diane Feinstein, from the Bay Area. Northern California has always had a disproportionate amount of political power in CA.
 
That massive blue block on the left – encompassing California, Oregon, Nevada and Washington state – stands out quite a bit against all of the red.
So it may not be a huge surprise that people living in that Democrat-voting block are now looking at other options – specifically, secession.

#Calexit California wants to secede from US over Trump election win | Metro News



Good, make America Great Again......please leave ....you ninnies!

Pretty sure N. California would object. Don't know if anyone noticed but N. California voted for Trump. There's always been a dispute between the North and South California. They've even pushed for separating the two. Pretty sure that if this actually happened (not likely as to do so they would have to get 2/3rd of all other States to agree to it) Northern California would tell those in the southern half of California where to stick it.
 
Texas would be more likely to secede than California, and even that would be impossible. The only way the country would split is if the government itself split (and it would have to be a violent one).
 
Pretty sure N. California would object. Don't know if anyone noticed but N. California voted for Trump. There's always been a dispute between the North and South California. They've even pushed for separating the two. Pretty sure that if this actually happened (not likely as to do so they would have to get 2/3rd of all other States to agree to it) Northern California would tell those in the southern half of California where to stick it.
To be clear, Northern California is not the same thing as the state of Jefferson. Northern California includes the Bay Area, so it most certainly did NOT vote for Trump. The state of Jefferson is solidly Republican, however. If California were ever going to split up, it would likely be into multiple states, not just two. Best plan I have seen was Tim Drapers proposal of six Californias a couple years back. Really liked that proposal, but unfortunately we failed to qualify for the ballot.
 
To be clear, Northern California is not the same thing as the state of Jefferson. Northern California includes the Bay Area, so it most certainly did NOT vote for Trump. The state of Jefferson is solidly Republican, however. If California were ever going to split up, it would likely be into multiple states, not just two. Best plan I have seen was Tim Drapers proposal of six Californias a couple years back. Really liked that proposal, but unfortunately we failed to qualify for the ballot.

35 districts throughout California voted for Trump, most of them in the northern half of California. 22 districts voted for Hillary based mainly along the coastal areas. Whether you would like to admit it or not, there is a divide in California. Whether its N vs S or W v E or some combination thereof doesn't really matter.
 
Pretty sure N. California would object. Don't know if anyone noticed but N. California voted for Trump. There's always been a dispute between the North and South California. They've even pushed for separating the two. Pretty sure that if this actually happened (not likely as to do so they would have to get 2/3rd of all other States to agree to it) Northern California would tell those in the southern half of California where to stick it.

Agreed. Look up "The State of Jefferson." It was up for a vote on Dec. 7, 1941. Bad timing, it could have happened.
 
William Rawle, A View of the Constitution of the United States 295--304, 305--7 1829 (2d ed.)

The Union is an association of the people of republics; its preservation is calculated to depend on the preservation of those republics. The people of each pledge themselves to preserve that form of government in all. Thus each becomes responsible to the rest, that no other form of government shall prevail in it, and all are bound to preserve it in every one.

But the mere compact, without the power to enforce it, would be of little value. Now this power can be no where so properly lodged, as in the Union itself. Hence, the term guarantee, indicates that the United States are authorized to oppose, and if possible, prevent every state in the Union from relinquishing the republican form of government, and as auxiliary means, they are expressly authorized and required to employ their force on the application of the constituted authorities of each state, "to repress domestic violence." If a faction should attempt to subvert the government of a state for the purpose of destroying its republican form, the paternal power of the Union could thus be called forth to subdue it.

Yet it is not to be understood, that its interposition would be justifiable, if the people of a state should determine to retire from the Union, whether they adopted another or retained the same form of government, or if they should, with the express intention of seceding, expunge the representative system from their code, and thereby incapacitate themselves from concurring according to the mode now prescribed, in the choice of certain public officers of the United States.

The principle of representation, although certainly the wisest and best, is not essential to the being of a republic, but to continue a member of the Union, it must be preserved, and therefore the guarantee must be so construed. It depends on the state itself to retain or abolish the principle of representation, because it depends on itself whether it will continue a member of the Union. To deny this right would be inconsistent with the principle on which all our political systems are founded, which is, that the people have in all cases, a right to determine how they will be governed.

This right must be considered as an ingredient in the original composition of the general government, which, though not expressed, was mutually understood, and the doctrine heretofore presented to the reader in regard to the indefeasible nature of personal allegiance, is so far qualified in respect to allegiance to the United States. It was observed, that it was competent for a state to make a compact with its citizens, that the reciprocal obligations of protection and allegiance might cease on certain events; and it was further observed, that allegiance would necessarily cease on the dissolution of the society to which it was due.

The states, then, may wholly withdraw from the Union, but while they continue, they must retain the character of representative republics. Governments of dissimilar forms and principles cannot long maintain a binding coalition. "Greece," says Montesquieu, "was undone as soon as the king of Macedon obtained a seat in the amphyctionic council." It is probable, however, that the disproportionate force as well as the monarchical form of the new confederate had its share of influence in the event. But whether the historical fact supports the theory or not, the principle in respect to ourselves is unquestionable.
 
As a third-generation native Californian, it pains me to see what has happened to the Golden State in only a few decades. No one hates to see it more than those of us who know how great this place was not so long ago. I think the stereotypes of Californians come mostly from Hollywood and from people who are uninformed, envious, or both. Most people here--including everyone I grew up with--are just like other Americans. In the 1950's and '60's, this state's public schools, universities, highways, hospitals, agriculture, industry, and standard of living were the envy of the whole country. We had one Republican governor after another--Reagan, Deukmejian, Wilson--and much of southern California, in particular, was a bastion of conservatism. To hear California now being despised here is to have salt rubbed into the wound. I and millions of other people who live here, and hope for better days, are Reagan conservatives who have had to watch our beautiful, beloved state steadily be wrecked by hordes of illegal aliens, environmental extremists, and grubby takers who have come here from other states for handouts.
 
Ah, the Great Divider, at it again.
Tweets? A British tabloid site reporting on Tweets? And this makes you happy.

Is this a joke? The governor, Jerry Brown, is from the Bay Area. The lieutenant governor, Gavin Newsom, is from the Bay Area. Both senators, Kamala Harris and Diane Feinstein, from the Bay Area. Northern California has always had a disproportionate amount of political power in CA.

To be clear, Northern California is not the same thing as the state of Jefferson. Northern California includes the Bay Area, so it most certainly did NOT vote for Trump. The state of Jefferson is solidly Republican, however. If California were ever going to split up, it would likely be into multiple states, not just two. Best plan I have seen was Tim Drapers proposal of six Californias a couple years back. Really liked that proposal, but unfortunately we failed to qualify for the ballot.

35 districts throughout California voted for Trump, most of them in the northern half of California. 22 districts voted for Hillary based mainly along the coastal areas. Whether you would like to admit it or not, there is a divide in California. Whether its N vs S or W v E or some combination thereof doesn't really matter.

Same in Nv and Oregon. Approx. 50% of Oregon population is in Portland Metro, Salem and Eugene....and Demos. The rest of the state is Republican. We would be happy to see Portland/Salem/Eugene, split off from the rest of us!

In Nevada, the Demos are in Vegas, the Pubs in Reno/Sparks/Carson City and Vegas outvotes the others. It really sucks.
 
In Nevada, the Demos are in Vegas, the Pubs in Reno/Sparks/Carson City and Vegas outvotes the others. It really sucks.
Washoe county (Reno and Sparks) is hardly a Republican stronghold. Obama won the county in 2008 and 2012. Hillary won the county this year.
 
They should split into two states instead. Let North California be it's own state, so they don't have to live under the constant rule of South California.

Might as well. Southern Cali is basically a extension of Norte Mexico as it is.
 
California seceding because Trump won is just as stupid as those who thought Texas would secede if Hillary won.
 
That massive blue block on the left – encompassing California, Oregon, Nevada and Washington state – stands out quite a bit against all of the red.
So it may not be a huge surprise that people living in that Democrat-voting block are now looking at other options – specifically, secession.

#Calexit California wants to secede from US over Trump election win | Metro News



Good, make America Great Again......please leave ....you ninnies!

The Virginia precedent should apply here. If West Virginia was allowed to secede from Virginia and remain with the Union, the more conservative section of California should be able to do the same.
 
To be clear, Northern California is not the same thing as the state of Jefferson. Northern California includes the Bay Area, so it most certainly did NOT vote for Trump. The state of Jefferson is solidly Republican, however. If California were ever going to split up, it would likely be into multiple states, not just two. Best plan I have seen was Tim Drapers proposal of six Californias a couple years back. Really liked that proposal, but unfortunately we failed to qualify for the ballot.

Does any non-leftist REALLY want to give California twelve Senate seats?
 
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