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#Calexit: California want to leave the US after Donald Trump’s election win

MickeyW said:
That massive blue block on the left – encompassing California, Oregon, Nevada and Washington state – stands out quite a bit against all of the red.
So it may not be a huge surprise that people living in that Democrat-voting block are now looking at other options – specifically, secession.

#Calexit California wants to secede from US over Trump election win | Metro News

Good, make America Great Again......please leave ....you ninnies!
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It will never happen. The rural areas in all three are red, and in California those areas control a lot of food and water, plus strategic high ground, and a high percent of armed civilians. It would basically ignite a resource siege/guerilla war within the states themselves which would crush the resistance before the US army even lifted a finger. The Southern secession succeeded because there was political solidarity; their qualms were varied and set most facets of Southern society against the North. Even if those states voted for Clinton overwhelmingly in raw numbers, those were urban voters. This race wasn't any state versus any other, it was rural vs. urban. Look at the results maps; the blue states are just the ones with the largest urban centers or democratic strongholds. That's why Illinois is blue in a sea of red; it's just Chicago. Upstate New York went hard for Trump, but NYC was enough to outweigh those votes.
 
Coldwine said:
It will never happen. The rural areas in all three are red, and in California those areas control a lot of food and water, plus strategic high ground, and a high percent of armed civilians. It would basically ignite a resource siege/guerilla war within the states themselves which would crush the resistance before the US army even lifted a finger. The Southern secession succeeded because there was political solidarity; their qualms were varied and set most facets of Southern society against the North. Even if those states voted for Clinton overwhelmingly in raw numbers, those were urban voters. This race wasn't any state versus any other, it was rural vs. urban. Look at the results maps; the blue states are just the ones with the largest urban centers or democratic strongholds. That's why Illinois is blue in a sea of red; it's just Chicago. Upstate New York went hard for Trump, but NYC was enough to outweigh those votes.
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Absolutely!

You can point to the major cities in Texas by just looking at the blue.

It is easy to see Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Austin.
 
Fishking said:
I'm sure there are plenty of Californians that are amazing with guns and have lots of them. I know one myself. However, I don't think they will be on the side of those who want the Calexit so that's kinda moot.
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Agreed. You are right.

Years ago when I was stationed in San Diego, I enjoyed going to and shooting at Kitchen Creek off Interest 8. The state even set up shooting points.

Last year I tried to go there and they were all gone and NO SHOOTING signs abounded.

It also did not even look the same, but in fairness about 20 years had past.
 
Coldwine said:
It will never happen. The rural areas in all three are red, and in California those areas control a lot of food and water, plus strategic high ground, and a high percent of armed civilians. It would basically ignite a resource siege/guerilla war within the states themselves which would crush the resistance before the US army even lifted a finger. The Southern secession succeeded because there was political solidarity; their qualms were varied and set most facets of Southern society against the North. Even if those states voted for Clinton overwhelmingly in raw numbers, those were urban voters. This race wasn't any state versus any other, it was rural vs. urban. Look at the results maps; the blue states are just the ones with the largest urban centers or democratic strongholds. That's why Illinois is blue in a sea of red; it's just Chicago. Upstate New York went hard for Trump, but NYC was enough to outweigh those votes.
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Agreed. Same for Oregon, Washington and Nevada. The urban folks are the ones rioting right now, paid for by Soros or someone like him.

RetiredNSmilin said:
Agreed. You are right.

Years ago when I was stationed in San Diego, I enjoyed going to and shooting at Kitchen Creek off Interest 8. The state even set up shooting points.

Last year I tried to go there and they were all gone and NO SHOOTING signs abounded.

It also did not even look the same, but in fairness about 20 years had past.
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That's why my good friend Jack, a Masterchief/Seal Team One, moved out of El Cajon over to Lake Havasu. He and his wife have lots of guns and liked to shoot competitively. Can't anymore, they are too old now.
 
truthatallcost said:
Perhaps I'm speculating here, but I assume that your brand of liberalism is the kind that pays lip service to diversity and multiculturalism, while you yourself prefer to live around all those nice clean white folk that are not a diverse bunch at all.

There is such a thing as righteous anger, and yes, even hate, when you consider that California was the envy of the country, and even the world only a few decades ago. California represented rich opportunity for improved living standards.

Now were swamped in smog, pollution, crime, racial tension, high taxes, and bloated Democratic politicians who have secured their one party system while us actual Californians bear the negative side effects I just mentioned.
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Your first sentence would be completely incorrect, of course. The rest of you comments have nothing to do with what I said.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Out of curiosity what brand of liberalism do you espouse? I am presuming you are liberal in the current sense from your posts, feel free to correct me if I am wrong on that particular notion.
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Interesting. in 10 years, I doubt anyone has ever asked me that question. Combine much of the Progessivism of the early 1900's along with elements of Hamiltonian Federalism. Mix them and put them into our current societal context. Focus on efficiency, education, and laws reflecting science and knowledge. Since societal changes are the things that alter how laws are created, attention to societal attitudes is paramount.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
And I am disgusted by your brand of conservatism. There is nothing redeeming about it, Hateful, racist, and attempting to push your belief system on everyone else. That brand of conservatism is anti-freedom.
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That is no answer to anything. Rhetoric is all it is. That rhetoric just failed, or didn't you notice who won?
 
Please. By all means, please do so.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Pretty sure N. California would object. Don't know if anyone noticed but N. California voted for Trump. There's always been a dispute between the North and South California. They've even pushed for separating the two. Pretty sure that if this actually happened (not likely as to do so they would have to get 2/3rd of all other States to agree to it) Northern California would tell those in the southern half of California where to stick it.
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Only the rural/mountain counties inland and north of Redding, very low population area, the desert/agricultural counties north of LA, also very low population area, and a strip of foothill/mountain counties south and east of Sacrament, again low population areas. There was a low turnout statewide, but usually a democratic presidential nominee can get California with a 70%+ margin.

This succession nonsense was fabricated out of a bunch of disappointed voters tweeting on Twitter. California is the fifth largest economy in the world. We're not going anywhere.
 
coldjoint said:
That is no answer to anything. Rhetoric is all it is. That rhetoric just failed, or didn't you notice who won?
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You missed the point, not surprisingly. It responded to his comments by pointing out the problem with his position.
 
MickeyW said:
That massive blue block on the left – encompassing California, Oregon, Nevada and Washington state – stands out quite a bit against all of the red.
So it may not be a huge surprise that people living in that Democrat-voting block are now looking at other options – specifically, secession.

#Calexit California wants to secede from US over Trump election win | Metro News



Good, make America Great Again......please leave ....you ninnies!
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Wait a minute, I thought succession was illegal and unconstitutional. :lol: Weren't the lefties telling us that about the Texas succession?
 
DiAnna said:
Only the rural/mountain counties inland and north of Redding, very low population area, the desert/agricultural counties north of LA, also very low population area, and a strip of foothill/mountain counties south and east of Sacrament, again low population areas. There was a low turnout statewide, but usually a democratic presidential nominee can get California with a 70%+ margin.

This succession nonsense was fabricated out of a bunch of disappointed voters tweeting on Twitter. California is the fifth largest economy in the world. We're not going anywhere.
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Uh huh, we've already buried the dynamite to crack the land and make you an island in the Pacific. :lol:
 
Here's an example:

We had a very confusing ballot measure to over turn a bag ban that made giving free bags illegal, making you buy bags from the grocer. The measure was very confusingly written, probably on purpose. So... out of 10 million votes cast, less than 1 million were on the bag ban which failed, meaning no more bags.

Now everyone has to buy bags or bring their own. EXCEPT EBT.. Welfare pays for the bags. And the single bottle bags for Mickey's are allowed. (so you can drink in public and not diss the cops).

Needless to say, 17 million voters are getting a wake up call - including 450,000 yes, 425,000 no's who attempted to decipher to language. And the state's voting population is 18 million. So the bag ban was decided by < 1 million people out of 18 million, non voters are just finding out. (the law went into effect immediately).

BUT only <10 million people voted at all. The state with a population of 39 million has for political purposes, dissolved.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
You missed the point, not surprisingly. It responded to his comments by pointing out the problem with his position.
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That is now your problem too, he is your president. Get used to it.
 
MickeyW said:
That massive blue block on the left – encompassing California, Oregon, Nevada and Washington state – stands out quite a bit against all of the red.
So it may not be a huge surprise that people living in that Democrat-voting block are now looking at other options – specifically, secession.

#Calexit California wants to secede from US over Trump election win | Metro News



Good, make America Great Again......please leave ....you ninnies!
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The democrats have shown their true colors as unprincipled goats. Maryland has apparently passed a law requiring their electors be cast according to the winner of the national vote. If that were to hold, there would be no point voting in Maryland at all for President. They are letting everybody but Maryland decide who is the next president. Of course, the odds of that law even surviving summary judgment motions would be slim to none when they are sued.
 
I hope they do it, but not for the silly partisan-blinded reasons others are giving.

I have long been a supporter of decentralization. Our politicians are trying to represent too big of a country with too many cultural differences. I hope it leads to a domino effect with the secessions of Texas, Cascadia Region, etc.

And to those who say it would take a war to secede, I disagree. While secession itself would be very difficult to achieve, I believe almost all of 21st century America would demand a peaceful breakaway long before retention through violence.
 
Fishking said:
It's dumb. If you read what needs to happen for them to get out it's basically impossible. They'd have to fight a war to get out and, let's be serious, no one is scared of Californians.
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What would a California War look like?

I'm guessing the uniform would be sleeveless t shirts, speedos and flip flobs. Early morning regiment would include "catching a few waves". Their transportation would be scooters or those fancy segways. Meal rations would include freeze tried sushi.

Special occasions would include pot brownies. And, since they are totally against guns in the land of California, I'd say they'd attack with flying Frisbee's.
 
American said:
Wait a minute, I thought succession was illegal and unconstitutional. :lol: Weren't the lefties telling us that about the Texas succession?
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Lefties are the biggest block of hypocrites!

American said:
Uh huh, we've already buried the dynamite to crack the land and make you an island in the Pacific. :lol:
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:lamo:lamo
 
backpacker said:
The democrats have shown their true colors as unprincipled goats. Maryland has apparently passed a law requiring their electors be cast according to the winner of the national vote. If that were to hold, there would be no point voting in Maryland at all for President. They are letting everybody but Maryland decide who is the next president. Of course, the odds of that law even surviving summary judgment motions would be slim to none when they are sued.
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That's dumbocrats for ya.

Geoist said:
I hope they do it, but not for the silly partisan-blinded reasons others are giving.

I have long been a supporter of decentralization. Our politicians are trying to represent too big of a country with too many cultural differences. I hope it leads to a domino effect with the secessions of Texas, Cascadia Region, etc.

And to those who say it would take a war to secede, I disagree. While secession itself would be very difficult to achieve, I believe almost all of 21st century America would demand a peaceful breakaway long before retention through violence.
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Agreed!

EvaPeron said:
What would a California War look like?

I'm guessing the uniform would be sleeveless t shirts, speedos and flip flobs. Early morning regiment would include "catching a few waves". Their transportation would be scooters or those fancy segways. Meal rations would include freeze tried sushi.

Special occasions would include pot brownies. And, since they are totally against guns in the land of California, I'd say they'd attack with flying Frisbee's.
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Haaaaaaaaa! Brilliant!
 
Twitter? Seriously? All this discussion and name-calling over 'tweets'. Are there people out there mining Twitter for nuggets, gathering threads (or whatever they're called) and selling them to trash/tabloid news sites? Kinda like dumpster-divers pushing shopping carts full of pop and beer cans.
A good job- just check your self-respect at the door.
 
MickeyW said:
And Canadians don't want them either...Haaaaaaa!
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Speak for yourself.

I doubt you know the first thing about Canada's immigration policy. What we don't accept, ever, are illegals.

I know this, anyone who voted for Trump will hate it here, gays have had the right to marry for over 15 years and no one, NO ONE but a policeman may ever carry a gun.
 
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