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Arizona Governor Should Restore Teacher's Job

Utility Man said:
Major issues :roll:
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Maybe I am biased...probably am in this area

But if you are serving your country....I will have a job for you when you return

I am ex military, as my my dad, and his dad

I have had guard and reservists who worked for me before....no issues
 
Risky Thicket said:
Here in Arizona the Tea Party has decided to run the state into the ground. We have a partially Koch funded Tea Party legislature and a largely Koch purchased governor. The governor - Doug Ducey - worships the great work of Gov. Brownback of Kansas. Ducey, former owner and CEO of Cold Stone Ice Cream is on a mission. He has no idea what he is doing but that doesn't change his commitment. Ducey has hired a trainload of business people to "fix government".

Ducey fired many state department directors and appointed his own business people and friends of donors to help him fix things. As you might imagine it's a cluster****.

Under Ducey people are fired almost daily without reason. If they are in exempt positions, and most are there, there is no requirement to explain why. We are not talking about 2 weeks notice or anything like that, most are summarily dismissed and tossed in the boneyard on the same day and with no prior warning. It is apparently a frequent occurrence.

Talk is, I don't know this for fact, that Ducey's fixers are paid more than their predecessors as are the replacements from business that the fixers hire to replace former state workers.

Now this. It's illustrative of what we have been hearing of Ducey's Brownback style government. An award winning teacher in a state school program who is fighting cancer was fired - bam! - just like that for fighting a staph infection which resulted from chemotherapy. The teacher's doctor would not release her to back to work just yet. The teacher informed that school. Just like that they fired her AND IMMEDIATELY CANCELLED her health insurance!

It's a tragic story.


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The full story here.
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I'm more surprised she didn't have access to either short term or long term disability. However if for whatever reason she ran out of leave and didn't return to her job it's not surprising she was fired. I'm most definitely not saying she deserved it because she doesn't. However this is the spectre of fear that many Americans face in the workplace.
 
Risky Thicket said:
No soup for you, Patrickt.

This week the Arizona Governor did re-instate the lady after overwhelming pressure from Arizona citizens.

Based on your post you may be qualified to be a governor. A citizen? Not so much.
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Her rehiring is bull****. Not everyone who gets fired gets to have the privilege of the media broadcasting their sob story nationwide. What a load of crap.
 
reinoe said:
Her rehiring is bull****. Not everyone who gets fired gets to have the privilege of the media broadcasting their sob story nationwide. What a load of crap.
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Bless her. She is at least one woman who now has a second chance. We have no idea how many people who face similar situations and may benefit because of her successful struggle. There is no doubt that her positive attitude and strength will inspire others, supervisors and employees. Tarah Ausburn, even in her difficult time, is likely teaching more people than she can imagine.

Here is maybe a new word for you, compassion. Look it up. It has been proven to make you a better person when you practice it. It even helps you feel better about yourself.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Here in Arizona the Tea Party has decided to run the state into the ground. We have a partially Koch funded Tea Party legislature and a largely Koch purchased governor. The governor - Doug Ducey - worships the great work of Gov. Brownback of Kansas. Ducey, former owner and CEO of Cold Stone Ice Cream is on a mission. He has no idea what he is doing but that doesn't change his commitment. Ducey has hired a trainload of business people to "fix government".

Ducey fired many state department directors and appointed his own business people and friends of donors to help him fix things. As you might imagine it's a cluster****.

Under Ducey people are fired almost daily without reason. If they are in exempt positions, and most are there, there is no requirement to explain why. We are not talking about 2 weeks notice or anything like that, most are summarily dismissed and tossed in the boneyard on the same day and with no prior warning. It is apparently a frequent occurrence.

Talk is, I don't know this for fact, that Ducey's fixers are paid more than their predecessors as are the replacements from business that the fixers hire to replace former state workers.

Now this. It's illustrative of what we have been hearing of Ducey's Brownback style government. An award winning teacher in a state school program who is fighting cancer was fired - bam! - just like that for fighting a staph infection which resulted from chemotherapy. The teacher's doctor would not release her to back to work just yet. The teacher informed that school. Just like that they fired her AND IMMEDIATELY CANCELLED her health insurance!

It's a tragic story.


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The full story here.
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KOCH KOCH KOCH KOCH KOCH OMG KOCH!!! This whole thread belongs down in Tinfoil hat land What a ****ing joke.
 
captain adverse said:
sorry to say but this is not something new, unusual, or special to the state of arizona. It is a standard practice around the nation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/family_and_medical_leave_act_of_1993

the provisions of the family and medical leave act allow for qualified employees to be granted a period of up to 12 weeks of unpaid medical leave, and the employer must hold their position open for their return until this period lapses.

The woman in your article clearly states that she was granted fmla and that when the 12 weeks expired she was still unable to return to work.

The employer is allowed to terminate employment and hire a replacement for the position if the employee is not released by her physician to return to work.

The governor did not do anything. That's simply how the process works all over the united states of america. :shrug:
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noooooooooooooooooooooo

koch did it!!! The tea party conspiracy did it!!!!
 
Risky Thicket said:
Thanks, I do understand the FMLA. The teacher's situation was not that cut and dry. In addition, the FMLA does not mandate that a person must be fired.

As for the governor, perhaps I didn't explain the situation in detail. He has hired and established a government hierarchy to cut bleed state services to the bone. Well, except those that benefit the people who donated to his campaign such as private prisons. An award winning teacher who battling cancer has done everything possible and offered every conceivable solution to help her hold on to her job until she could return to work? Naaaa. It's one example of an ongoing situation.

We shall see what the governor does.
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KOCH KOCH KOCH TEA PARTY!!! TRIGGERED!!! NEED SAFE SAPCE!!!
LOL.

Get a tinfoil hat.
 
gdgyva said:
the lady has been reinstated....

but...how long should a job remain open?

FMLA requires 12 weeks....that is three months an employer has to keep a job open, and somehow still get crap done

You seem to think that it should be longer in certain circumstances....

what 20 weeks? 36 weeks? a year?

how long should an employer hold a job for someone who is out because of an illness, or a major issue?

as a guy who runs a 180+ employee company, it is a question i have had to answer a couple of times myself as people run into difficult times

missing key people especially.....it is not an easy answer for employers
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Don't matter, the KOCH brother probably paying you to harm people too.
See, it's tinfoil hattery. A CONSPIRACY!!!

Can't be common sense business, you exist to pay them money, that's all an employer is for, giving wealth to others. Didn't you KNOW THAT MAN?
 
Risky Thicket said:
Bless her. She is at least one woman who now has a second chance. We have no idea how many people who face similar situations and may benefit because of her successful struggle. There is no doubt that her positive attitude and strength will inspire others, supervisors and employees. Tarah Ausburn, even in her difficult time, is likely teaching more people than she can imagine.

Here is maybe a new word for you, compassion. Look it up. It has been proven to make you a better person when you practice it. It even helps you feel better about yourself.
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Here's a word for you:
REALITY

Employers cannot do what you want them to do, it's asinine.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Bless her. She is at least one woman who now has a second chance. We have no idea how many people who face similar situations and may benefit because of her successful struggle. There is no doubt that her positive attitude and strength will inspire others, supervisors and employees. Tarah Ausburn, even in her difficult time, is likely teaching more people than she can imagine.

Here is maybe a new word for you, compassion. Look it up. It has been proven to make you a better person when you practice it. It even helps you feel better about yourself.
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I sell insurance. My capacity to display compassion withered into nothing long ago like a raisin in the sun. Go cry me a river.
 
gdgyva said:
the lady has been reinstated....

but...how long should a job remain open?

FMLA requires 12 weeks....that is three months an employer has to keep a job open, and somehow still get crap done

You seem to think that it should be longer in certain circumstances....

what 20 weeks? 36 weeks? a year?

how long should an employer hold a job for someone who is out because of an illness, or a major issue?

as a guy who runs a 180+ employee company, it is a question i have had to answer a couple of times myself as people run into difficult times

missing key people especially.....it is not an easy answer for employers
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in a perfect world either unions or the state would cover long term disabilities, but seeing as right wingers hate both unions and state programs, That doesn't leave a lot of options.
 
Renae said:
Here's a word for you:
REALITY

Employers cannot do what you want them to do, it's asinine.
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Actually yes they can. we can get the government to mandate they do and then it's a cost of doing business in a stable first world society.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Actually yes they can. we can get the government to mandate they do and then it's a cost of doing business in a stable first world society.
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I know for someone that thinks business are an extension of Government, that makes sense.... fortunately we aren't that stupid in the USA... yet.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
in a perfect world either unions or the state would cover long term disabilities, but seeing as right wingers hate both unions and state programs, That doesn't leave a lot of options.
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we arent talking about pay....

every one of my employees has access to short term and long term disability

it is their choice on whether or not to use it

we were discussing FMLA...and how long an employer should keep open a job AFTER FMLA

the requirement is 3 months....which is burdensome on employers....

this particular employee used all of that time....how much longer should she get?

does it depend on the employee? is it one rule for all? is it different for management levels who are much harder to get by without?

those are the applicable questions....and ones i have had to ask myself a few times now

i will say that i have given more leeway to lower level employees....but it is a question that we as an organization havent completely got an answer for yet....
 
gdgyva said:
we arent talking about pay....

every one of my employees has access to short term and long term disability

it is their choice on whether or not to use it

we were discussing FMLA...and how long an employer should keep open a job AFTER FMLA

the requirement is 3 months....which is burdensome on employers....

this particular employee used all of that time....how much longer should she get?

does it depend on the employee? is it one rule for all? is it different for management levels who are much harder to get by without?

those are the applicable questions....and ones i have had to ask myself a few times now

i will say that i have given more leeway to lower level employees....but it is a question that we as an organization havent completely got an answer for yet....
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The answer should not be summary termination for "refusing to report to work" can we at least agree that is not the answer to your question?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
The answer should not be summary termination for "refusing to report to work" can we at least agree that is not the answer to your question?
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for a good employee....of course not

but the business has to come first.....i have 180 other people to worry about

i cant keep a job open indefinitely....especially not management ones

the place has to keep going.....

again...a good employee, i will try to accommodate them as best as i can

i think most employers would do the same....but not to the detriment of the company
 
gdgyva said:
for a good employee....of course not

but the business has to come first.....i have 180 other people to worry about

i cant keep a job open indefinitely....especially not management ones

the place has to keep going.....

again...a good employee, i will try to accommodate them as best as i can

i think most employers would do the same....but not to the detriment of the company
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It's all about the company. Someone can work years for the company and as soon as they need twelve weeks and a day you want the right to get rid of them because their suffering a deadly disease is too inconvenient for you.

Then maybe you should lobby for single payer health care and nationalized disability insurance, then the worker is taken care off and your business doesn't have to bear the cost
 
EMNofSeattle said:
It's all about the company. Someone can work years for the company and as soon as they need twelve weeks and a day you want the right to get rid of them because their suffering a deadly disease is too inconvenient for you.

Then maybe you should lobby for single payer health care and nationalized disability insurance, then the worker is taken care off and your business doesn't have to bear the cost
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is that the progressive's answer to everything?

More government? More intervention?

No thanks.....
 
gdgyva said:
is that the progressive's answer to everything?

More government? More intervention?

No thanks.....
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I think it's perfectly reasonable for a government solution, it is not humane by anyone's measure to leave someone destitute due to a crippling illness because it inconveniences your business.

so what's your solution? someone gets a diagnosis that cannot control and they should lose their home, their retirement, their insurance, everything because YOUR business is so incompetently run that it can't function for a day more then 12 weeks if someone is kept on the rolls so they keep their insurance?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I think it's perfectly reasonable for a government solution, it is not humane by anyone's measure to leave someone destitute due to a crippling illness because it inconveniences your business.

so what's your solution? someone gets a diagnosis that cannot control and they should lose their home, their retirement, their insurance, everything because YOUR business is so incompetently run that it can't function for a day more then 12 weeks if someone is kept on the rolls so they keep their insurance?
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no...the answer is called short term and long term disability

and every one of my employees has access to it

and since you think it is so easy to RUN a company, go start your own....

run it your way....use all those feel good progressive ideas

i'll see you in bankruptcy court in a few years

not saying it starts at 12 weeks and a day....you are

you might want to reread my posts....
 
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