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Driver accused of crashing into marijuana dispensary while high on marijuana

It merely underlines the stupidity of intoxication and how marijuana is just as bad an impairment as booze. Making this crap legal, is as stupid as it gets!

Yet alcohol is legal, and impaired driving is forbidden. Contemplate for a moment what DWI means.
 
So, going by that logic, one can only conclude that you favor a return of alcohol prohibition.

Is this the only argument ANYONE can use on this topic? Over and over again I've clearly stated that this about not allowing one more thing to make our society worse, not about getting rid something else.
 
Is this the only argument ANYONE can use on this topic? Over and over again I've clearly stated that this about not allowing one more thing to make our society worse, not about getting rid something else.

It's a valid argument.
 
It's a valid argument.

Only if it was in response to something I was supporting, which it isn't. I've always made it an issue of making our society worse, not better and the same sad argument you used is almost the only one I ever get in response. Whether people like it or not, legalizing pot means that there will be people killed who wouldn't have otherwise been killed, there will be more people using pot to escape a reality that they should be facing and dealing with, etc, etc, etc.
 
Only if it was in response to something I was supporting, which it isn't. I've always made it an issue of making our society worse, not better and the same sad argument you used is almost the only one I ever get in response. Whether people like it or not, legalizing pot means that there will be people killed who wouldn't have otherwise been killed, there will be more people using pot to escape a reality that they should be facing and dealing with, etc, etc, etc.

Your position on the subject makes it a valid argument, whether you are willing to admit it or not.
 
Yet alcohol is legal, and impaired driving is forbidden. Contemplate for a moment what DWI means.

As a 30 year law enforcement officer, with hundreds of DUII arrests....I'm fully aware of what it means. If my previous wording confused you, I apologize.
 
It merely underlines the stupidity of intoxication and how marijuana is just as bad an impairment as booze.

I find this remark to be stupid and false.

You need to do randomized controlled studies to make a determination like that*, not find one article about one idiot, who may for all you know have been on other drugs as well. All it says is that he admitted to the cop he smoked pot.




(And is anyone seriously under the illusion that this dumb*** wouldn't have gotten high and crashed the car, if only marijuana had been illegal in Oregon? Please. There are still laws against driving under the influence of marijuana and that didn't stop him)



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*In fact, the studies that have been done indicate that a regular user of marijuana performs like a more cautious sober person in driving simulators. The people who drank before getting behind the simulator did far worse and were more aggressive drivers. This is not to advocate getting stoned and going for a drive; it's to point out that to the extent that scientists have done trials rather than looking for articles to use in support of an anti-pot agenda, they have found that it actually isn't anywhere near as bad as alcohol for MV operation.
 
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Nope. I think that both are bad for society. Adding one more bad thing to our society is not a good thing. Everyone who support legalizing pot seems to throw out the same tired argument, but I've never stated anything like that. I've stood by the idea that we should working to make our society better, not worse, and adding one more legal method for stupid people to make our society worse is a bad idea.

Why do people keep repeating this asinine "argument"?

The laws against marijuana didn't stop anyone from smoking it who wanted to. All they did was cause vast socio-economic damage. I don't think you can honestly tell me that anything has gotten worse in Oregon as a result of legalization. I think the only reason that you think that legalizing marijuana will make things worse is because the government duped you seven ways from Sunday with its War on Drugs propoganda. (A clever play on the fact that people love the feeling of being openly "against" something that doesn't pertain to them, thereby making them feel superior to those to which the something pertains).


Marijuana is extremely safe when compared to alcohol. But alcohol was normalized way before marijuana was among the American population, so people let their prejudices dictate what statements about each they were willing to accept and which to reject. Fortunately, enough people have finally woken up and recognized the government's lies for what they are. The horrific disaster known as the War on Drugs is beginning to unravel, much to the chagrin of everyone who profits from enforcement.
 
Show me the benefit to our society that pot brings that out-weighs the death of even one child.
So ANYTHING that could kill one child should be illegal? You Really want to go there?
 
As a 30 year law enforcement officer, with hundreds of DUII arrests....I'm fully aware of what it means. If my previous wording confused you, I apologize.

The problem is and as a LEO you should know that whether or not pot is legal or not people still smoke it, in fact the numbers do not actually increase when legalized. The law addressed the issue of driving while under the influence by including any sort of impairment, the rising numbers of people driving under the influence of prescription drugs is becoming far too common, cannot make them illegal either. The government needs to get out of peoples personal lives, like most I do not care if someone wants to sit in their home and smoke pot, drink alcohol or use prescription drugs, so long as they are operating an automobile on the public roads or endangering others their life is their to live as they see fit.
 
So ANYTHING that could kill one child should be illegal? You Really want to go there?

I didn't say that, it jsut one more sad attempt at debating this point. There's no doubt that legalizing marijuana is an overall detriment to our society, but that doesn't stop the "I wanna get high and forget about my responsibilities!!" crowd from pushing it.
 
The problem is and as a LEO you should know that whether or not pot is legal or not people still smoke it, in fact the numbers do not actually increase when legalized. The law addressed the issue of driving while under the influence by including any sort of impairment, the rising numbers of people driving under the influence of prescription drugs is becoming far too common, cannot make them illegal either. The government needs to get out of peoples personal lives, like most I do not care if someone wants to sit in their home and smoke pot, drink alcohol or use prescription drugs, so long as they are operating an automobile on the public roads or endangering others their life is their to live as they see fit.

Thank you, my point exactly. DUI is illegal, period, yet no one want to outlaw alcohol in addition to DUI being illegal. That only goes for pot.
What about turning off the ignition after more than (?)5 hrs on the road? I don't even know how long truckers are asked to stay awake.
What is important is for those who drive to realize that, once your judgment is impaired for whatever reason, use common sense and don't get behind the wheel.
 
Thank you, my point exactly. DUI is illegal, period, yet no one want to outlaw alcohol in addition to DUI being illegal. That only goes for pot.
What about turning off the ignition after more than (?)5 hrs on the road? I don't even know how long truckers are asked to stay awake.
What is important is for those who drive to realize that, once your judgment is impaired for whatever reason, use common sense and don't get behind the wheel.

I agree 100%.
 
I didn't say that, it jsut one more sad attempt at debating this point. There's no doubt that legalizing marijuana is an overall detriment to our society, but that doesn't stop the "I wanna get high and forget about my responsibilities!!" crowd from pushing it.

Your first sentence describes your second perfectly.

You're not even attempting to debate. You're simply announcing that you're right. The reason you say that you are right is, strangely, that you said you were right. Then you say someone else made a "sad attempt at debating this point"?!

You're not even responding when someone DOES debate you. Just move on and repeat your claim.
 
I didn't say that, it jsut one more sad attempt at debating this point. There's no doubt that legalizing marijuana is an overall detriment to our society, but that doesn't stop the "I wanna get high and forget about my responsibilities!!" crowd from pushing it.
If there were no doubt there would be no debate.
 
It merely underlines the stupidity of intoxication and how marijuana is just as bad an impairment as booze. Making this crap legal, is as stupid as it gets!

Big government nanny state nonsense :roll:
 
An 18-year-old man was arrested early Sunday on suspicion of driving while high on marijuana after he crashed into a marijuana dispensary in Happy Valley.

Alan Alcantara hit an empty parked car near Stumptown Cannabis on Southeast 82nd Avenue around 1:05 a.m. and then crashed into the back wall of the business, according to a probable cause affidavit. He caused more than $1,000 in damages to the other car and the building, court papers said.
Driver accused of crashing into marijuana dispensary while high on marijuana | OregonLive.com

1000 in damage ... oh boy.. that must have been quite the crash. A small nick in the paint costs that much to repair these days.

People (who are not high) have such accidents every day.

Driving high is not remotely comparable to driving drunk.
 
It merely underlines the stupidity of intoxication and how marijuana is just as bad an impairment as booze. Making this crap legal, is as stupid as it gets!

What is as stupid as it gets is thinking that being high on pot is even remotely comparable to being drunk.

Second .. what does this have to do with making pot legal ?

Sounds like another fallacious cop argument to me. Used to have these arguments with my brother in law (who is a cop) all the time and I refuted all his retarded arguments with ease.

You will be even easier.
 
An 18-year-old man was arrested early Sunday on suspicion of driving while high on marijuana after he crashed into a marijuana dispensary in Happy Valley.

Alan Alcantara hit an empty parked car near Stumptown Cannabis on Southeast 82nd Avenue around 1:05 a.m. and then crashed into the back wall of the business, according to a probable cause affidavit. He caused more than $1,000 in damages to the other car and the building, court papers said.
Driver accused of crashing into marijuana dispensary while high on marijuana | OregonLive.com

This is an outrageous lie, marijuana doesn't cause any problems. ;)
 
What is as stupid as it gets is thinking that being high on pot is even remotely comparable to being drunk.

Second .. what does this have to do with making pot legal ?

Sounds like another fallacious cop argument to me. Used to have these arguments with my brother in law (who is a cop) all the time and I refuted all his retarded arguments with ease.

You will be even easier.

So far you haven't refuted anything. you are simply attempting to say your opinion is fact.
Driving while high is just as much of a risk as driving impaired in general.
 
So far you haven't refuted anything. you are simply attempting to say your opinion is fact.
Driving while high is just as much of a risk as driving impaired in general.

I did not say I had refuted anything. You need to upgrade your reading comprehension. I have not made any arguments yet in relation to my claim ... and nether have you.

Have you ever smoked pot ?
 
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