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Driver accused of crashing into marijuana dispensary while high on marijuana

Tanngrisnir said:
It's called 'Freedom'. It's not something I'd wager you're likely to understand.

And since you've run from it two times now, I'll ask you a third and last time: are you for reintroducing Prohibition? If not, why not?

Step up the mic for once.
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No, but that doesn't equate to legalizing pot. NEITHER of them are positives for a society, but we've already got one and I recognize that it's not going to go away. But that isn't a reason for making pot legal. Currently, I can shoot my dog whenever I want to. Since taking one life is perfectly legal, then why not legalize the taking of any life?? Is it hypocritical to make shooting your dog legal, but shooting your neighbor illegal???
 
radcen said:
You're not a bleeding heart liberal. You don't get to use the "...even one child" argument. ;)
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LOL! Somewhere a unicorns is farting Pixie dust rainbows, we almost agree!

Except that 'WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!!?" is part and parcel of the RW War on Drugs rhetoric and has been since the get-go.;
 
faithful_servant said:
No, but that doesn't equate to legalizing pot.
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Ah, so you're against pot being legal, but you're not for making alcohol illegal again. Got it.
NEITHER of them are positives for a society, but we've already got one and I recognize that it's not going to go away.
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No, we've got both and always have. Neither is going away, and it's insane to believe that having legal penalties for the less damaging one makes sense while not having them for the MUCH more damaging one.
But that isn't a reason for making pot legal. Currently, I can shoot my dog whenever I want to. Since taking one life is perfectly legal, then why not legalize the taking of any life?? Is it hypocritical to make shooting your dog legal, but shooting your neighbor illegal???
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Wow. Just WOW. That explains everything I needed to know about you. Good flippin' night.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Ah, so you're against pot being legal, but you're not for making alcohol illegal again. Got it.

No, we've got both and always have. Neither is going away, and it's insane to believe that having legal penalties for the less damaging one makes sense while not having them for the MUCH more damaging one.

Wow. Just WOW. That explains everything I needed to know about you. Good flippin' night.
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So do you support making our society worse, just so that you can get high and escape reality for a couple hours??

But that isn't a reason for making pot legal. Currently, I can shoot my dog whenever I want to. Since taking one life is perfectly legal, then why not legalize the taking of any life?? Is it hypocritical to make shooting your dog legal, but shooting your neighbor illegal???
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It's a legitimate hypothetical question... Both are cases of someone taking a life and one is legal, while the other isn't. Why not make both legal??
 
TheGoverness said:
Wait. Are you trying to say getting drunk on alcohol is not as bad as getting high on marijuana? Don't make me laugh.
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Nope, didn't say that at all and they are both bad for society.

Tanngrisnir said:
It's called 'Freedom'. It's not something I'd wager you're likely to understand.

And since you've run from it two times now, I'll ask you a third and last time: are you for reintroducing Prohibition? If not, why not?

Step up the mic for once.
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Freedom. Right! So, that means you are Pro-Gun and pro-self-defense??
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Ah, so you're unable to express yourself to the degree you'd like, so you have to pretend you said something other than you did. And it's "One AND the same", not "One in the same".

Thanks for proving my point.
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The only point you made is that if someone said "give me your money", you'd give them your money.
 
11Bravo said:
The only point you made is that if someone said "give me your money", you'd give them your money.
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in some circumstances that would be the smart thing to do
 
MickeyW said:
It merely underlines the stupidity of intoxication and how marijuana is just as bad an impairment as booze. Making this crap legal, is as stupid as it gets!
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No it isn't. Once again, you are decades behind reality.

Its going on the CA ballot, and in AZ they have 50,000 more signatures than they need. Its about damned time.

Your little anecdotal story means nothing...drunk drivers do exponentially more damage, as do abusive, drunken spouses.
 
faithful_servant said:
No, but that doesn't equate to legalizing pot. NEITHER of them are positives for a society, but we've already got one and I recognize that it's not going to go away. But that isn't a reason for making pot legal. Currently, I can shoot my dog whenever I want to. Since taking one life is perfectly legal, then why not legalize the taking of any life?? Is it hypocritical to make shooting your dog legal, but shooting your neighbor illegal???
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Marijuana has proven to work as medicine for many things.

New report out today: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160629095609.htm

Salk Institute scientists have found preliminary evidence that tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and other compounds found in marijuana can promote the cellular removal of amyloid beta, a toxic protein associated with Alzheimer's disease.

While these exploratory studies were conducted in neurons grown in the laboratory, they may offer insight into the role of inflammation in Alzheimer's disease and could provide clues to developing novel therapeutics for the disorder.

"Although other studies have offered evidence that cannabinoids might be neuroprotective against the symptoms of Alzheimer's, we believe our study is the first to demonstrate that cannabinoids affect both inflammation and amyloid beta accumulation in nerve cells," says Salk Professor David Schubert, the senior author of the paper.

Alzheimer's disease is a progressive brain disorder that leads to memory loss and can seriously impair a person's ability to carry out daily tasks. It affects more than five million Americans according to the National Institutes of Health, and is a leading cause of death. It is also the most common cause of dementia and its incidence is expected to triple during the next 50 years.

It has long been known that amyloid beta accumulates within the nerve cells of the aging brain well before the appearance of Alzheimer's disease symptoms and plaques. Amyloid beta is a major component of the plaque deposits that are a hallmark of the disease. But the precise role of amyloid beta and the plaques it forms in the disease process remains unclear.

In a manuscript published in June 2016's Aging and Mechanisms of Disease, Salk team studied nerve cells altered to produce high levels of amyloid beta to mimic aspects of Alzheimer's disease.

The researchers found that high levels of amyloid beta were associated with cellular inflammation and higher rates of neuron death. They demonstrated that exposing the cells to THC reduced amyloid beta protein levels and eliminated the inflammatory response from the nerve cells caused by the protein, thereby allowing the nerve cells to survive.
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beefheart said:
No it isn't. Once again, you are decades behind reality.

Its going on the CA ballot, and in AZ they have 50,000 more signatures than they need. Its about damned time.

Your little anecdotal story means nothing...drunk drivers do exponentially more damage, as do abusive, drunken spouses.
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I find that the mindset that wishes to keep marijuana illegal is most often held by those who live in fear, have no understanding of the history of prohibition, and zero clue about the utter disaster the WOD has been. It's all "What if's.." and "Yeah, but...." with no desire or ability to make a cogent argument free from emotion.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
I find that the mindset that wishes to keep marijuana illegal is most often held by those who live in fear, have no understanding of the history of prohibition, and zero clue about the utter disaster the WOD has been. It's all "What if's.." and "Yeah, but...." with no desire or ability to make a cogent argument free from emotion.
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Well, the "Joe Friday" generation is dying off, and the people who know first hand that they were lied to about marijuana are voting.
 
A. He thought the facility was a drive thru. It's an honest mistake and could happen to anyone.

B. Not as bad as alcohol. That's not a high bar. In thirty years as a cop I never met a drunk driver who'd had more then two beers. It was almost a automatic response. "How much have you had to drink?" "Two beers and did you piss in my pants?"

I do not like drunks or obsessive users of any drug. A drink at a party or a toke at a party is one thing but I've know people who smoked dope every day starting when they got up and ending when they went to sleep. A friend in Hawaii admitted six joints a day. He also admitted his life was a mess.
 
shagg said:
They're running out of reasons to keep it illegal, so they resort to turning nothing into something.
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CA just put legal recreational pot on the ballot again. Looks very much like it will pass this time. That means the entire West Coast will be legal for pot. That pretty much spells the end for keeping pot illegal and they know it.
 
clownboy said:
CA just put legal recreational pot on the ballot again. Looks very much like it will pass this time. That means the entire West Coast will be legal for pot. That pretty much spells the end for keeping pot illegal and they know it.
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It will be on the ballot in AZ as well, they are submitting the petitions next week, and they have 200,000 signatures, they needed 150,000.

If it doesn't pass in AZ, its only a short drive to the border!
 
MickeyW said:
It merely underlines the stupidity of intoxication and how marijuana is just as bad an impairment as booze. Making this crap legal, is as stupid as it gets!
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ya poisoning yourself to feel better is dumb punishing people for it dosent seem to help though

dont think we should go back to prohibition
 
clownboy said:
CA just put legal recreational pot on the ballot again. Looks very much like it will pass this time. That means the entire West Coast will be legal for pot. That pretty much spells the end for keeping pot illegal and they know it.
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It's become more and more obvious in recent years. More and more states decriminalize and outright legalize, yet federally it's in the worst category of drug, with refined heroine. Cocaine and meth are in the next category up, and not considered as bad. Most people who want to keep it illegal will admit that's ..... not really where things should stand.

New England I feel is on the verge, Once 1 or 2 states here go I think they all will. It's on the Maine ballot for 2016 too I believe, and Vermont can't be far behind. I'm just hoping the small business opportunities legalization will create don't get legislated away to pave a path for big corporate dominance in the markets. A friend of mine has been growing medical in his basement, sanctioned by the state of Rhode Island, for a few years and pulling in some extra money. It's not the easiest money, especially at first when getting the legal clearance, but for some its a labor of love.
 
faithful_servant said:
Nope. I think that both are bad for society. Adding one more bad thing to our society is not a good thing. Everyone who support legalizing pot seems to throw out the same tired argument, but I've never stated anything like that. I've stood by the idea that we should working to make our society better, not worse, and adding one more legal method for stupid people to make our society worse is a bad idea.
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So, going by that logic, one can only conclude that you favor a return of alcohol prohibition.
 
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