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Brexit, Texit, Yes California and Second Vermont Republic

What you say is true, but are you speaking of states seceding, or of splitting states into smaller states? Here, there is a semi serious proposal to carve the state of Jefferson out of southern Oregon (get away from Portland voters) and Northern California (get away from San Francisco and LA voters) Could be we'd wind up with a lot more states.

That's fine with me. The State of Jefferson as I understand it, may go as far south as Redding. Although, Redding is getting way too populated with LA and SF people and too many gangs are showing up.
In my county, we have no gangs. When they try to set up shop....they keep disappearing for some reason.
 
How about forming new states? To separate us from all the liberal douchebags.

I have a feeling that would be over-dramatic and disruptive, I doubt it's illegal though. If there's enough support......

Funny enough, there are some hacks in Florida (my home state) that wanted to split it in half. I can assure you that it would be an awful f*cking decision.
 
:lamo too funny...California has already sent up the white flag!!!!

That's just for Mexican illegals. I'm not so sure the state is ready for the invasion from Texas.. I mean Lonestar.
 
Can't we just finally sell Tejas, and everything in it, to Mexico and be done with it.

It would be an improvement for both of them.
 
Can't we just finally sell Tejas, and everything in it, to Mexico and be done with it.

It would be an improvement for both of them.

I guess parts of California could be returned to Mexico too.
 
In a word? Yes.

However, it should not be by a simple majority of those who choose to vote.

It should be set up as a vote requiring the participation of all citizens of voting age within the state, and also requiring a 3/4th majority for the vote to succeed.

Still, I think to successfully do this there must be a Constitutional Amendment enacted first, outlining the process whereby a State may rightfully secede from the Union.

There would have to be an Amendment. Secession is unconstitutional.
 
When Trump wins, maybe we can bring this country back together after obozo divided it so badly!

Bring the country together? He's dividing the Republican Party!
 
There are two ways one or more of our states can leave the union - revolution and amending the Constitution specifically to allow secession.

Where does it say in the Constitution that a state can't secede??
 
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Seems we once fought a civil war over this issue, but that was a long time ago. Should states be allowed to leave the union and go their own way?

Of course states should be allowed to simply walk away. They signed on as sovereign states, and as supposedly sovereign states they have every right to walk away. The Civil War was, in fact, The War of Northern Aggression.

I for one would love to see the United States break up... I've been wanting a divorce from the leftist nutjobs in this country for over 30 years; and, I include Neocons in that group.

The most logical divorce settlement would be to split the country into 1/3's with the left-wing nuts getting a share, the Neocons and Republicans getting a share, and those of us who want limited government and liberty getting a share.

As those of us who desire to live free are a small minority, I'd have no problem with getting a smaller share of the real estate and assets - as long as we could walk away from the mess that is the vast majority of Americans, I'd be fine with that.
 
There would have to be an Amendment. Secession is unconstitutional.

While it may be "unconstitutional," (although the only thing that says so is an 1869 6 to 3 SCOTUS ruling in Texas v. White 74 U.S. 700), that does not prevent a State from electing to do so and then trying it's best (another civil war) to enforce that decision.

In fact Salmon Chase's majority opinion was based on some highly convoluted reasoning, since our original nation was formed by a portion of the Kingdom of Great Britain splitting away to form a new nation.

Furthermore, the Declaration of Independence is clear on the right of the people to chose to change and/or abolish any government they find oppressive. These two ideals formed the original basis for the Secessionist movement leading to the Civil War, and no SCOTUS decision can stop a future conflict if the people seeking independence are willing to fight for it.
 
While it may be "unconstitutional," (although the only thing that says so is an 1869 6 to 3 SCOTUS ruling in Texas v. White 74 U.S. 700), that does not prevent a State from electing to do so and then trying it's best (another civil war) to enforce that decision.

In fact Salmon Chase's majority opinion was based on some highly convoluted reasoning, since our original nation was formed by a portion of the Kingdom of Great Britain splitting away to form a new nation.

Furthermore, the Declaration of Independence is clear on the right of the people to chose to change and/or abolish any government they find oppressive. These two ideals formed the original basis for the Secessionist movement leading to the Civil War, and no SCOTUS decision can stop a future conflict if the people seeking independence are willing to fight for it.

This quote by Andrew Jackson sums up my views on secession pretty well.

"John Calhoun, if you secede from my nation I will secede your head from the rest of your body.”
 
This quote by Andrew Jackson sums up my views on secession pretty well.

"John Calhoun, if you secede from my nation I will secede your head from the rest of your body.”

I see. So you would attempt genocide against people who have freely and democratically elected to secede from the Union?

And people wonder why so many of us argue so strongly for the right to keep and bear arms capable of opposing our own government should the need ever arise. :coffeepap:
 
I see. So you would attempt genocide against people who have freely and democratically elected to secede from the Union?

And people wonder why so many of us argue so strongly for the right to keep and bear arms capable of opposing our own government should the need ever arise. :coffeepap:

"Genocide"?

Nope. In fact, that's not even the right term.

Most people simply like firearms. There's a small contingent whose paranoia means their hunkered down in bunkers waiting for something which is never going to happen, but hey---- look what happened the last time people tried to secede, right? The poor southerners just wanted to keep their God given right to own other people :roll: and the Feds ripped them apart.
 
What you say is true, but are you speaking of states seceding, or of splitting states into smaller states? Here, there is a semi serious proposal to carve the state of Jefferson out of southern Oregon (get away from Portland voters) and Northern California (get away from San Francisco and LA voters) Could be we'd wind up with a lot more states.

I don't think that's a bad thing. We could use a few more stars on the flag. I also think we need to consider inviting the rest of the countries in the western hemisphere to become states within the Union. I would like to see a true United States of America sea to sea pole to pole.
 
I don't think that's a bad thing. We could use a few more stars on the flag. I also think we need to consider inviting the rest of the countries in the western hemisphere to become states within the Union. I would like to see a true United States of America sea to sea pole to pole.

Manifest polar destiny. I wonder what the Canadians and Argentinians think of that idea?
 
Manifest polar destiny. I wonder what the Canadians and Argentinians think of that idea?

Notice I said and I quote "invite." Not manifest destiny by force, but by invitation. I bet there would be a lot of nations that would take us up on that offer. The opportunity for both sides of the equation are huge.

As for the Canadians and Argentinians, who knows? They might consider such an offer. Or not.
 
Notice I said and I quote "invite." Not manifest destiny by force, but by invitation. I bet there would be a lot of nations that would take us up on that offer. The opportunity for both sides of the equation are huge.

As for the Canadians and Argentinians, who knows? They might consider such an offer. Or not.

I'm guessing not.
 
I don't think that's a bad thing. We could use a few more stars on the flag. I also think we need to consider inviting the rest of the countries in the western hemisphere to become states within the Union. I would like to see a true United States of America sea to sea pole to pole.

Manifest polar destiny. I wonder what the Canadians and Argentinians think of that idea?

Probably not until most of the other American nations join up.

Considering the US is the only secular government...

The others would have a lot of restructuring to do.

Plus I don't see the WASP demographic wanting a sudden influx of RCs. There are 387 million people in S. America, 42 million in C. America, 122 million in Mexico and 35 million in Canada. Of the countries south of the US, the % is roughly 70% RC. That means your plan would infuse the US with 388 million Catholics. How many of those would expect RC to be taught in public schools?
 
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Seems we once fought a civil war over this issue, but that was a long time ago. Should states be allowed to leave the union and go their own way?

Why don't they want to be part of the United States? It sounds like a bunch of children screaming they are going to take their ball and go home.
 
Why don't they want to be part of the United States? It sounds like a bunch of children screaming they are going to take their ball and go home.

That's basically what most American secessionist movements are.
 
No. Been there, done that.

Texas does have an interesting and unique situation though. Still, no. Of course, a Constitutional Amendment could change that.
There's no need for an amendment, the right of seccession is already contaibed in the 10th amendment. To make it "legal" from a USFG point of view would be an overturning of White v Texas.
 
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