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Truck Drivers Say They Won’t Deliver To Cities with Defunded Police Departments

PirateMk1 said:
If driver with more than one year of experience and no or few traffic infractions is fired for other than failing a drug test or a major traffic violation, they will be employed that day depending on how late in the day it is they are fired. Its a drivers market to a large degree. If people dont want to go to those places they wont, unless they are paid for it. Take the New York metropolitan area. Most drivers will NOT go there unless they are paid specifically to. In fact many companies advertise no new York or Northeast area routes.
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it must be nice to be able to live in a state in which you can tell your job no. i expressed concern about having to drive through demonstrations, and i was met with a "do it anyway" silence. one of these days, i'll probably consider moving to somewhere that isn't overwhelmingly run by anti-labor Republicans.
 
PirateMk1 said:
First, they have to work. Second somebody has to take responsibility for the when they are on the road. Third the governments have to let them stay on the road. 4th they have to be insured. 2 and 4 are the major impediments.
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Yes there are obstacles. However, in 15-20 years, truck driver will be listed as a historical vocation.
 
Helix said:
it must be nice to be able to live in a state in which you can tell your job no. i expressed concern about having to drive through demonstrations, and i was met with a "do it anyway" silence. one of these days, i'll probably consider moving to somewhere that isn't overwhelmingly run by anti-labor Republicans.
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Thats the industry not a state. You can be in any state.

If your employer is that much of a douche, I suggest finding a new one, or better yet start your own business and work for people you can fire as you like.
 
Makes sense. Why would they?
 
PirateMk1 said:
Thats the industry not a state. You can be in any state.

If your employer is that much of a douche, I suggest finding a new one, or better yet start your own business and work for people you can fire as you like.
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do you live in a right to work for less / fire at will state? in these states, workers in many industries have to pretend to be contractors there to paint the fence for the day and that they aren't full time employees. it's kinda hard to explain if you haven't been through it.
 
d0gbreath said:
Yes there are obstacles. However, in 15-20 years, truck driver will be listed as a historical vocation.
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You are correct probably and with the average age of the driver at 55 it maybe sooner. However those impediments I described have to be overcome. Right now people are having trouble with the technology in ideal environment and the equipment is new with very little time wear on it. Now say they are running a 5 year old piece unit that is just out of warranty, and it gets into and accident. The accident occurs in adverse weather. Who will be responsible? There is no driver in control, it was software supplied by the manufacturer and the maintenance was supplied by a third party. Thats just the tip of the iceberg.
 
Helix said:
do you live in a right to work for less / fire at will state? in these states, workers in many industries have to pretend to be contractors there to paint the fence for the day and that they aren't full time employees. it's kinda hard to explain if you haven't been through it.
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You mean 1099 contractors? A lot of the rolling sweatshops pay that way. I pay that way because my people own their own equipment, have their own authority along with all that goes with and while they tend to be exclusive to me are not. They use their own insurance. The work performed is classified as a trip lease, and they are considered contractors under IRS regulations. I am considered a prime carrier or broker. My contractors get a 90% cut of what I bill to the customer. By law they can review my books, though normally I send billing copies of my invoice when I pay.

I live in Montana and lived in California. I am familiar with what you describe.

The trucking industry is a very wide and diverse industry that encompasses many complex aspects depending on the particular nitch a company works. Like I said drivers that have some experience and a reasonable record, have some control of the market especially OTR drivers (Over The Road.) Its has to do a lot with the turnover dynamics in the industry. A typical OTR major company has a yearly driver turnover rate of 90+ percent currently.
 
PirateMk1 said:
You mean 1099 contractors? A lot of the rolling sweatshops pay that way. I pay that way because my people own their own equipment, have their own authority along with all that goes with and while they tend to be exclusive to me are not. They use their own insurance. The work performed is classified as a trip lease, and they are considered contractors under IRS regulations. I am considered a prime carrier or broker. My contractors get a 90% cut of what I bill to the customer. By law they can review my books, though normally I send billing copies of my invoice when I pay.

I live in Montana and lived in California. I am familiar with what you describe.

The trucking industry is a very wide and diverse industry that encompasses many complex aspects depending on the particular nitch a company works. Like I said drivers that have some experience and a reasonable record, have some control of the market especially OTR drivers (Over The Road.) Its has to do a lot with the turnover dynamics in the industry. A typical OTR major company has a yearly driver turnover rate of 90+ percent currently.
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they don't do it that way. you work full time for a middleman who also takes a cut. basically, you're a full time employee pretending to be a contractor who is pretending to be a full time employee. that is the net result of living in a right to work for less Republican controlled state. not to be completely negative, though. i like living where i live other than the contractor play pretend game and that my vote doesn't really count.
 
Helix said:
they don't do it that way. you work full time for a middleman who also takes a cut. basically, you're a full time employee pretending to be a contractor who is pretending to be a full time employee. that is the net result of living in a right to work for less Republican controlled state. not to be completely negative, though. i like living where i live other than the contractor play pretend game and that my vote doesn't really count.
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What they are doing is illegal federally if what you say is accurate. There's a test that must be performed and it sounds like your company wouldn't pass it. Of course like everything else the devil is in the details.
 
ecofarm said:
Of course truck drivers are part of Trump's base and they have no idea what defund the police means.
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Then explain it to the readers here.

Is it possible that "defund" was not the proper word to use:mrgreen:
 
mike2810 said:
Then explain it to the readers here.

Is it possible that "defund" was not the proper word to use:mrgreen:
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Maybe everyone else is not responsible for you learning what a term means. Maybe your ignorance is not a result of victimhood.
 
PirateMk1 said:
What they are doing is illegal federally if what you say is accurate. There's a test that must be performed and it sounds like your company wouldn't pass it. Of course like everything else the devil is in the details.
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it's totally legal. it just kind of sucks. i also work in a skilled industry that requires higher education. i have two degrees, and most jobs in my field have been like this since the mid 2000s. the obvious solution is to move away, but that's more miles between me and my elderly parents. i'm not willing to make that sacrifice right now. i'll wait it out.
 
ecofarm said:
Maybe everyone else is not responsible for you learning what a term means. Maybe your ignorance is not a result of victimhood.
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You are consistent in dodging questions asked.

Now explain what you think "defund" means? Or are you not willing to state what it means to you.

I can handle it. I most likely have a higher education that you. :mrgreen:
 
mike2810 said:
You are consistent in dodging questions asked.

Now explain what you think "defund" means? Or are you not willing to state what it means to you.

I can handle it. I most likely have a higher education that you. :mrgreen:
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Teach yourself.
 
ecofarm said:
Teach yourself.
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So we can take away that you do not know what it means and you are just throwing out stuff to see what sticks.

Have a good one eco. It is clear you do not want to discuss the topic.
 
mike2810 said:
So we can take away that you do not know what it means and you are just throwing out stuff to see what sticks.

Have a good one eco. It is clear you do not want to discuss the topic.
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You pop into a thread and declare yourself totally ignorant. You then, based on that ignorance, take an asinine position. When someone refuses to explain the basics to you, you declare victory.

Your ignorance stands in glorious victory. Good job.
 
ecofarm said:
You pop into a thread and declare yourself totally ignorant. You then, based on that ignorance, take an asinine position. When someone refuses to explain the basics to you, you declare victory.

Your ignorance stands in glorious victory. Good job.
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No, I was looking for what you believe the word means as applied to police budgets.

Where did I declare victory. I made a statement of your position of not knowning.

Now do you what to discuss defunding police or not?.
 
mike2810 said:
No, I was looking for what you believe the word means as applied to police budgets.

Where did I declare victory. I made a statement of your position of not knowning.

Now do you what to discuss defunding police or not?.
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You don't know anything, so you win. Good contribution.
 
ecofarm said:
Of course truck drivers are part of Trump's base and they have no idea what defund the police means.
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“Defund” means exactly what it says. Stop funding. It’s you all who try to make it mean something it doesn’t.
 
Back to the OP.

From the OP article
"As cities across the country are discussing defunding or disbanding their police departments, truck drivers are voicing concerns of safety. Seventy-seven percent of truck drivers say they will refuse to deliver freight to cities with defunded police departments."

"The Minneapolis City Council reportedly plans to disband the city’s police department.

“According to the Associated Press, on Sunday, a majority of the members of the Minneapolis City Council declared that they support disbanding the city’s police department. Lisa Bender, the city council president, said, ‘It is clear that our system of policing is not keeping our communities safe. Our efforts at incremental reform have failed, period.’ Bender added that the city council is committed to terminating Minneapolis’ relationship with the police force,” Forbes wrote."


I read somewhere where the Council didn't know what they will replace it with but they will work on. The Council and whoever they pick to help formulate their Community based safety program should make sure it provides adequate protection for all who come their city.
 
sounds like truckers that will are gonna be picking up some unexpected $$$$.
 
Helix said:
When I tell my job that I won't do my job, the result is generally that they will fire me. If Trumpster truckers want to take that stand, then I hope that they don't live in a teabilly fire at will state.
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If enough drivers won’t do it then eventually the industry will cater to them. Most every carrier no longer does forced dispatch to New York City because drivers don’t want to do it and being willing to do it means more pay.

You know almost as if there’s such a thing as a free market.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
If enough drivers won’t do it then eventually the industry will cater to them. Most every carrier no longer does forced dispatch to New York City because drivers don’t want to do it and being willing to do it means more pay.

You know almost as if there’s such a thing as a free market.
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I'm aware of right wing anti-labor propaganda.
 
Helix said:
I'm aware of right wing anti-labor propaganda.
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Well whatever you’re aware of economics as applied to the trucking industry certainly isn’t on that list
 
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