Is there any group that excludes women that is not ripe with pedophilia?!?!

My boss bought up a kinda neat point today while making conversation about the fact the Boy Scouts are failing amid molestation allegations...

He said,

“ As soon as you remove the women. The Pedophiles come out.”

Pointing out that every organization we could come up with that excludes women is rife with molestation accusations?!?!?!

Pretty much every large church with a male dominated clergy.

The Boy Scouts..

Sports... Sandusky and such.



He was coming at his point from the angle that women are better guardians... more likely to ask questions and check on the kids emotionally..

I know apparently women do not moles children... they will “fall in love” with kids above the age of 13, but a woman molesting a young child without it being for the gratification of the boyfriend , is literally unheard of..

The VERY few examples were all SEVERELY Mentally disabled.. and diagnosed as such well before the incident..


Well I don’t completely disagree, but personally wonder if it doesn’t have more to do with the fact your average “Mans, Man” doesn’t really babysit and hang out with large groups of kids (AKA a scout leader for example).

Traditionally the “weird” guy is sent to the priesthood.... if all the “weird” people are the ones watching the kids, your gonna have a higher percentage of sickos....

But having women around In authority positions does seem to mitigate that..


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Pedo is an orientation. A pedo does not target males or females, that's not their orientation. The sex of the victim is determined by opportunity, not a pedo's preference. Pedos are thus drawn to organizations that provide autonomy to children. This is pretty much always a male oriented organization because males are socialized to seek autonomy. This, and not the presence of females, is why pedos are found in such organizations. Pedos look for places children (generally male because of typical socialization) can be found alone.


That would be my counter argument, off the top.

ecofarm said:

Pedo is an orientation. A pedo does not target males or females, that's not their orientation. The sex of the victim is determined by opportunity, not a pedo's preference. Pedos are thus drawn to organizations that provide autonomy to children. This is pretty much always a male oriented organization because males are socialized to seek autonomy. This, and not the presence of females, is why pedos are found in such organizations. Pedos look for places children (generally male because of typical socialization) can be found alone.


That would be my counter argument, off the top.

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A) How is that relevant???

Is there any doubt that if guys ran all the Girl Scout troops there would be the same problem???

If you read my OP it stated that the lack of women in places like the church and Boy Scouts increases the OPPORTUNITY of the pedophile as women tend to be better guardians.. they ask more questions.. notice the emotional states of their charges better BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY ARE BASICALLY NEVER THE MOLESTER.

You cannot say it does not matter when if you replaced all the males in those organizations with females. There is no child molestation scandal....

I mean not having a pedophile there definitely negates all opportunity...


B) I do not think more male children are molested by males than female children by males ... even when accounting for availability due to socialization..

C) let’s say we have 500 males preachers in a church with access to children and 10 are pedophiles..

Well if we replace half the males there with females, now there are only 5 pedophiles, because women do not commit pedophilia..


Some women will attempt to after puberty , still a fraction of the male offender population..

It blew my mind to read that there was no case of a woman molesting a young child in history, except for a handful of cases where the offender was previously diagnosed with sever mental problems... Like everyone already knew she should have been institutionalized before the crime..


That changes the game where young children are concerned especially..

Males are a risk, not every one god, knows.. and not even most males are a risk, but no way to tell the difference before the crime. Compared to women being no sexual risk at all.. ..










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ArtemisBarca said:

A) How is that relevant???

Is there any doubt that if guys ran all the Girl Scout troops there would be the same problem???

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Yes. Girls are not given the same autonomy as boys. The opportunities would be far less and pedos would not bother. Read my post again; you don't appear to comprehended it at all.

Yes, women are almost never pedos or serial killers. That's socialization. And that's a separate issue. 99.9% of men are the same.

It's not about women controlling things. It's about women not generally being in charge of confidence and leadership training with boys. And that's where the opportunity arises.

In the end, yours is a "correlation - causation" mistake because you've failed to include the driving factors in the prevalence of child molestation in such organizations. It's not due to a lack of female supervision. It's due to the prevalence of boys having autonomy for short periods of time during confidence and leadership training.

ecofarm said:

Yes. Girls are not given the same autonomy as boys. The opportunities would be far less and pedos would not bother. Read my post again; you don't appear to comprehended it at all.

Yes, women are almost never pedos or serial killers. That's socialization. And that's a separate issue. 99.9% of men are the same.

It's not about women controlling things. It's about women not generally being in charge of confidence and leadership training with boys. And that's where the opportunity arises.

In the end, yours is a "correlation - causation" mistake because you've failed to include the driving factors in the prevalence of child molestation in such organizations. It's not due to a lack of female supervision. It's due to the prevalence of boys having autonomy for short periods of time during confidence and leadership training.

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You don’t get 99%, probably globally of a species to do something because of socialization..

That sounds evolutionary to me... BIG TIME..

Sex with females is evolutionary and you still don’t get 99% of males who want to have sex with females..

The fact there is no recorded case of a functioning female pedophile is insane... do you know how few things you can say that about either gender?!?!



B) ok... now I think I see what’s going on here...

Who said ANYTHING ABOUT WOMEN CONTROLLING THINGS?!?!

I said where “women we’re excluded from authority positions”..

That is a massive leap to only female bosses..more than one leap.. that is jumping from ABC to LMNOP. Lol.. your missing some letters there..

So is this some internal reversion to a female being in charge of you or what?!?! Lol


Because I said women being included in leadership AS WELL, not only women in control..


That said our closest primate relatives are chimps and bonobos..

Chimps males run their tribes and rape murder and warfare are rampant..

Bonobos : women run society and there is no rape, murder or warfare..

But that is a way different topic probably requiring evolutionary changes..






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I don't believe it's the exclusion of females that increases the risk or chances of pedophiles coming out. Pedo's are notorious for seeking out opportunities that allow them to be around children and in 99% of cases they are in positions of trust: family member, clergy, teacher, coach, leadership, mentors, etc. First they earn the trust of the child and everyone around them. This increases the chances that they will not be caught or exposed. Many pedophiles are married and their wives claim to have no knowledge or refuse to believe their husband could commit such acts towards a child. One can only imagine how difficult it must be to hear that the person you are intimate with also chooses to be intimate with children and in many cases, it's your own child or the child of someone you know. Most cases, the pedo is very respected/trusted with unlimited access to children. Far too often the child is not believed!

ArtemisBarca said:

I know apparently women do not moles children... they will “fall in love” with kids above the age of 13, but a woman molesting a young child without it being for the gratification of the boyfriend , is literally unheard of..

The VERY few examples were all SEVERELY Mentally disabled.. and diagnosed as such well before the incident..

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This seems to be false. See:

Uncovering Female Child Sexual Offenders—Needs and Challenges for Practice and Research

The problem is that female sex offenders who molest children are not well-studied, their crimes are under-reported, and under-prosecuted when they are reported. Looks like they make up somewhere between 12%-44% of all child molesters, though, based on the information above. That wouldn't be "VERY few examples"...

ashurbanipal said:

This seems to be false. See:

Uncovering Female Child Sexual Offenders—Needs and Challenges for Practice and Research

The problem is that female sex offenders who molest children are not well-studied, their crimes are under-reported, and under-prosecuted when they are reported. Looks like they make up somewhere between 12%-44% of all child molesters, though, based on the information above. That wouldn't be "VERY few examples"...

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First off I buy zero claims of unreported cases...

People answer all kinda ways in surveys like that..

Not just for this issue, though sexual crimes seem to be the most commonly done that way...

I just think it is insane to claim 40% of women have been sexually assaulted, when only 4% were ever proven in court..

That is an example.. I didn’t look up the numbers..


That said your own article placed the number of convicted women for sexual molestation was 20 per year in Canada and Australia...

With the number being 20 and the majority being cases after puberty, it is reasonable to assume the 4 cases that remain were all previously diagnosed with sever mental problems..


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straykatz said:

I don't believe it's the exclusion of females that increases the risk or chances of pedophiles coming out. Pedo's are notorious for seeking out opportunities that allow them to be around children and in 99% of cases they are in positions of trust: family member, clergy, teacher, coach, leadership, mentors, etc. First they earn the trust of the child and everyone around them. This increases the chances that they will not be caught or exposed. Many pedophiles are married and their wives claim to have no knowledge or refuse to believe their husband could commit such acts towards a child. One can only imagine how difficult it must be to hear that the person you are intimate with also chooses to be intimate with children and in many cases, it's your own child or the child of someone you know. Most cases, the pedo is very respected/trusted with unlimited access to children. Far too often the child is not believed!

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A) I can think of no organization that excludes women and is not rife with molestation allegations..

B) You also have the fact that the “weird” guy is who joined the priesthood and chooses to be a Boy Scout leader...

Weird does not = pervert, but pervert can equal weird.. (anti-social) .


C) for sure a lot have normal lives, but if they go where they have the best opportunity. They must choose somewhere without women to hunt for a reason..

If it doesn’t matter if women are there, they wouldn’t target places without women..


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ArtemisBarca said:

First off I buy zero claims of unreported cases...

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On what grounds? It seems rather arbitrary to just dismiss a study merely because it doesn't constrain itself to cases reported to law enforcement.

ArtemisBarca said:

People answer all kinda ways in surveys like that..

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But there's not much of a motive to lie--there's no prize for reporting a sexual assault to a researcher.

ArtemisBarca said:

Not just for this issue, though sexual crimes seem to be the most commonly done that way...

I just think it is insane to claim 40% of women have been sexually assaulted, when only 4% were ever proven in court..

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Uh, OK. Again, why?

ArtemisBarca said:

That said your own article placed the number of convicted women for sexual molestation was 20 per year in Canada and Australia...

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You'll have to point out where it says that--I don't see it. As far as I can tell, statistics for convictions are only gathered for Germany. About 174 Female Child Sexual Offenders were officially accused in Canada in 2017, and about 21,998 in 2005 in Australia (I think that's probably cumulative since records had been kept--though strangely, apparently Australia doesn't keep stats on female strangers sexually abusing children, so that's only female relatives).

ArtemisBarca said:

A) I can think of no organization that excludes women and is not rife with molestation allegations.

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Hmmm...Freemasonry?

ArtemisBarca said:

If it doesn’t matter if women are there, they wouldn’t target places without women..

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Are you aware that many of the cases of Catholic sexual abuse took place in Catholic schools where the teachers were nuns?

ashurbanipal said:

On what grounds? It seems rather arbitrary to just dismiss a study merely because it doesn't constrain itself to cases reported to law enforcement.



But there's not much of a motive to lie--there's no prize for reporting a sexual assault to a researcher.



Uh, OK. Again, why?



You'll have to point out where it says that--I don't see it. As far as I can tell, statistics for convictions are only gathered for Germany. About 174 Female Child Sexual Offenders were officially accused in Canada in 2017, and about 21,998 in 2005 in Australia (I think that's probably cumulative since records had been kept--though strangely, apparently Australia doesn't keep stats on female strangers sexually abusing children, so that's only female relatives).

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A) on the grounds they are unverifiable and people lie in surveys.. Also many surveys are geared to get a specific result..

For example they might use the term “sexual assault “ instead of rape. Well if I grab your butt at a party without permission. That is technically sexual assault..

So if your asking have 60% of women have had their butt grabbed by some rando, absolutely I buy it.. but rape is a different thing completely..

I do not think you can credibly claim any serious crime with a victim, happens at 10 times the actually reported rate.. it is half way only really fair to count convictions... that said I am sure more happen then are convicted, but 100 times as many?!?!?

2) there is crazy motivation to lie on the individual level..

Scorned lover, custody battle, inheritance, the attention that comes with victimhood...

Rapes happen more , I have zero doubt, but any true crime fan can tell you it happens all the time..

Imho that does not change the dynamic that “all women should be believed, at first”. With a he said , she said like most rapes, you do have to give the victim the benefit of the doubt.


3) in the article it gives the stats for 2018 (I think) and it was 20 cases in Canada and 22 in Australia.

I wish I could remember where I heard the “ the only cases of a woman molesting a young child were for the gratification of her boyfriend and a few cases of women previously diagnosed with sever mental problems.. like could have been institutionalized mental problems”, but it was credible S it was shocking..



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ArtemisBarca said:

My boss bought up a kinda neat point today while making conversation about the fact the Boy Scouts are failing amid molestation allegations...

He said,

“ As soon as you remove the women. The Pedophiles come out.”

Pointing out that every organization we could come up with that excludes women is rife with molestation accusations?!?!?!

Pretty much every large church with a male dominated clergy.

The Boy Scouts..

Sports... Sandusky and such.



He was coming at his point from the angle that women are better guardians... more likely to ask questions and check on the kids emotionally..

I know apparently women do not moles children... they will “fall in love” with kids above the age of 13, but a woman molesting a young child without it being for the gratification of the boyfriend , is literally unheard of..

The VERY few examples were all SEVERELY Mentally disabled.. and diagnosed as such well before the incident..


Well I don’t completely disagree, but personally wonder if it doesn’t have more to do with the fact your average “Mans, Man” doesn’t really babysit and hang out with large groups of kids (AKA a scout leader for example).

Traditionally the “weird” guy is sent to the priesthood.... if all the “weird” people are the ones watching the kids, your gonna have a higher percentage of sickos....

But having women around In authority positions does seem to mitigate that..


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Can't "**** with Tradition" without getting Women involved in modern times, in my opinion.

ashurbanipal said:

Hmmm...Freemasonry?



Are you aware that many of the cases of Catholic sexual abuse took place in Catholic schools where the teachers were nuns?

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Maybe so... though one organization could be considered the example that proved the rule AND not sure they do much solo with kids, but fair enough..

The teachers were nuns, but the authority figures were all males.. everyone deciding to cover it up, exc. males..






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ashurbanipal said:

Hmmm...Freemasonry?



Are you aware that many of the cases of Catholic sexual abuse took place in Catholic schools where the teachers were nuns?

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On second thought... the lack of access kinda negates masons..


A pedophile prison doesn’t have molestation problems either lol..


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ArtemisBarca said:

A) on the grounds they are unverifiable and people lie in surveys.. Also many surveys are geared to get a specific result..

For example they might use the term “sexual assault “ instead of rape. Well if I grab your butt at a party without permission. That is technically sexual assault..

So if your asking have 60% of women have had their butt grabbed by some rando, absolutely I buy it.. but rape is a different thing completely..

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The article actually defines what the term "sexual assault" means across these studies: it means non-consensual penetration with a body part or an object. It does not mean having your butt grabbed at a party.

ArtemisBarca said:

I do not think you can credibly claim any serious crime with a victim, happens at 10 times the actually reported rate.. it is half way only really fair to count convictions... that said I am sure more happen then are convicted, but 100 times as many?!?!?

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So, wait a minute--you made up the "ten times" number in your last post, you said you were making it up, and now you're acting like it's reality. As several of the cited papers explain, often these crimes are reported and the police don't take them seriously. In other cases, the victim will blame a male and then recant years later, because they didn't want to admit it was their mother/sister/aunt who was the abuser.

It becomes much more credible when multiple independent studies ask discrete sample populations about their experiences, and they all independently report about the same thing--the article cites a couple such studies.

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2) there is crazy motivation to lie on the individual level..

Scorned lover, custody battle, inheritance, the attention that comes with victimhood...

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Not to a university researcher, who not only won't do anything or be of any help in those areas, but who also typically conducts such research anonymously. No motivation to lie.

ArtemisBarca said:

Rapes happen more , I have zero doubt, but any true crime fan can tell you it happens all the time..

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That what happens all the time?

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3) in the article it gives the stats for 2018 (I think) and it was 20 cases in Canada and 22 in Australia.

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No it doesn't.

ArtemisBarca said:

Maybe so... though one organization could be considered the example that proved the rule AND not sure they do much solo with kids, but fair enough..

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The notion that an exception proves a rule is nonsense. A rule is a rule precisely because, and only when, it has no exceptions. Otherwise it's really just a guideline.

ArtemisBarca said:

The teachers were nuns, but the authority figures were all males.. everyone deciding to cover it up, exc. males..

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But you were just saying that when women are present, pedophilia doesn't occur (probably?) because the women are more likely to be interested in the emotional well-being of the children, and hence will more easily notice them being abused. In Catholic schools, where women were present, children were still abused.

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On second thought... the lack of access kinda negates masons..

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Do we cordon off the Freemasons from contact with children, or something?

ashurbanipal said:

The article actually defines what the term "sexual assault" means across these studies: it means non-consensual penetration with a body part or an object. It does not mean having your butt grabbed at a party.



So, wait a minute--you made up the "ten times" number in your last post, you said you were making it up, and now you're acting like it's reality. As several of the cited papers explain, often these crimes are reported and the police don't take them seriously. In other cases, the victim will blame a male and then recant years later, because they didn't want to admit it was their mother/sister/aunt who was the abuser.

It becomes much more credible when multiple independent studies ask discrete sample populations about their experiences, and they all independently report about the same thing--the article cites a couple such studies.



Not to a university researcher, who not only won't do anything or be of any help in those areas, but who also typically conducts such research anonymously. No motivation to lie.



That what happens all the time?



No it doesn't.



The notion that an exception proves a rule is nonsense. A rule is a rule precisely because, and only when, it has no exceptions. Otherwise it's really just a guideline.



But you were just saying that when women are present, pedophilia doesn't occur (probably?) because the women are more likely to be interested in the emotional well-being of the children, and hence will more easily notice them being abused. In Catholic schools, where women were present, children were still abused.



Do we cordon off the Freemasons from contact with children, or something?

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A) Criminally Sexual Assault and battery is any unwanted touching in a sexual and threatening manner..

A BS legal class in college used blowing cigarette smoke in someone’s face is the low end of assault and battery.

Just saying it is a SUPER BROAD TERM, and some people may have ignored the instructions and thought of the legal definition....or thought “well I wasn’t penetrated, but I think he was going to. So it counts.”

B) it is probably more than 10x..


Rape convictions are super low and the claim is , I think I have seen 35-40% nationally, unreported I mean..

It might be 100x the convictions (confirmed cases) , vs the claimed unreported cases


C) I am sure all those things happen, but without a trial and evidence, or some podcast type in-depth study to decide the truth. There is no way to know unreported cases...



Will continue reply in another post.. gotta check your questions..



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ashurbanipal said:

The article actually defines what the term "sexual assault" means across these studies: it means non-consensual penetration with a body part or an object. It does not mean having your butt grabbed at a party.



So, wait a minute--you made up the "ten times" number in your last post, you said you were making it up, and now you're acting like it's reality. As several of the cited papers explain, often these crimes are reported and the police don't take them seriously. In other cases, the victim will blame a male and then recant years later, because they didn't want to admit it was their mother/sister/aunt who was the abuser.

It becomes much more credible when multiple independent studies ask discrete sample populations about their experiences, and they all independently report about the same thing--the article cites a couple such studies.



Not to a university researcher, who not only won't do anything or be of any help in those areas, but who also typically conducts such research anonymously. No motivation to lie.



That what happens all the time?



No it doesn't.



The notion that an exception proves a rule is nonsense. A rule is a rule precisely because, and only when, it has no exceptions. Otherwise it's really just a guideline.



But you were just saying that when women are present, pedophilia doesn't occur (probably?) because the women are more likely to be interested in the emotional well-being of the children, and hence will more easily notice them being abused. In Catholic schools, where women were present, children were still abused.



Do we cordon off the Freemasons from contact with children, or something?

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A) false rape reports..... especially in custody battles , murder cases, inheritance issues..

Calling someone a rapist or child molester is low hanging fruit for amoral people once the gloves are off , in all kinda disputes..

B) fair enough on the exception that proves the rule being a fallacy lol.. it certainly is, I meant it in the sense there is always an anomaly.


C) I said when women are present in authority positions..


The nuns might have reported it every time, only to have the priesthood take no action.


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ArtemisBarca said:

My boss bought up a kinda neat point today while making conversation about the fact the Boy Scouts are failing amid molestation allegations...

He said,

“ As soon as you remove the women. The Pedophiles come out.”

Pointing out that every organization we could come up with that excludes women is rife with molestation accusations?!?!?!

Pretty much every large church with a male dominated clergy.

The Boy Scouts..

Sports... Sandusky and such.



He was coming at his point from the angle that women are better guardians... more likely to ask questions and check on the kids emotionally..

I know apparently women do not moles children... they will “fall in love” with kids above the age of 13, but a woman molesting a young child without it being for the gratification of the boyfriend , is literally unheard of..

The VERY few examples were all SEVERELY Mentally disabled.. and diagnosed as such well before the incident..


Well I don’t completely disagree, but personally wonder if it doesn’t have more to do with the fact your average “Mans, Man” doesn’t really babysit and hang out with large groups of kids (AKA a scout leader for example).

Traditionally the “weird” guy is sent to the priesthood.... if all the “weird” people are the ones watching the kids, your gonna have a higher percentage of sickos....

But having women around In authority positions does seem to mitigate that..


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There have been unfortunate cases of women also engaging in pedophilia as well.

9 Disturbing "Affairs" Between Teachers And Their Students | Crime News

This is not a "man" thing.

ArtemisBarca said:

My boss bought up a kinda neat point today while making conversation about the fact the Boy Scouts are failing amid molestation allegations...

He said,

“ As soon as you remove the women. The Pedophiles come out.”

Pointing out that every organization we could come up with that excludes women is rife with molestation accusations?!?!?!

Pretty much every large church with a male dominated clergy.

The Boy Scouts..

Sports... Sandusky and such.



He was coming at his point from the angle that women are better guardians... more likely to ask questions and check on the kids emotionally..

I know apparently women do not moles children... they will “fall in love” with kids above the age of 13, but a woman molesting a young child without it being for the gratification of the boyfriend , is literally unheard of..

The VERY few examples were all SEVERELY Mentally disabled.. and diagnosed as such well before the incident..


Well I don’t completely disagree, but personally wonder if it doesn’t have more to do with the fact your average “Mans, Man” doesn’t really babysit and hang out with large groups of kids (AKA a scout leader for example).

Traditionally the “weird” guy is sent to the priesthood.... if all the “weird” people are the ones watching the kids, your gonna have a higher percentage of sickos....

But having women around In authority positions does seem to mitigate that..


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Would your wife care to give a run at explaining the large number of women teachers that have been busted having sex with kids in school?

VanceMack said:

Would your wife care to give a run at explaining the large number of women teachers that have been busted having sex with kids in school?

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I specified that in the OP...

There are absolutely cases of women molesting kids that are above the age of 13... not that no male molesters pretend to be in love, but pretty much every female perpetrator claims that.

There is however no examples of women molesting young children , except for at the behest of the boyfriend and/or in a few cases where the perp was severely mentally challenged.


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tacomancer said:

There have been unfortunate cases of women also engaging in pedophilia as well.

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This is not a "man" thing.

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I specified that in the OP..

There are numerous cases of women molesting young teens..

There are basically zero cases of a woman being the actual definition of a pedophile.. except a couple cases where she was previously diagnosed with sever mental problems.


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ArtemisBarca said:

I specified that in the OP..

There are numerous cases of women molesting young teens..

There are basically zero cases of a woman being the actual definition of a pedophile.. except a couple cases where she was previously diagnosed with sever mental problems.


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Offender and Victim Characteristics of Registered Female Sexual Offenders in Texas: A Proposed Typology of Female Sexual Offenders | SpringerLink

Average age of 12

tacomancer said:

There have been unfortunate cases of women also engaging in pedophilia as well.

9 Disturbing "Affairs" Between Teachers And Their Students | Crime News

This is not a "man" thing.

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PS...

Molestation of teenagers is not a man thing, pedophilia (pre-pubescent ) is..

I am quite sure if one looks hard enough they can find a crime that is female specific..

Oh I got one....

Munchausen’s by proxy is a female only thing..
I’m not sure there is any confirmed cases of men causing injuries to their children to fake illnesses for attention or monetary gain...



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ArtemisBarca said:

PS...

Molestation of teenagers is not a man thing, pedophilia (pre-pubescent ) is..

I am quite sure if one looks hard enough they can find a crime that is female specific..

Oh I got one....

Munchausen’s by proxy is a female only thing..
I’m not sure there is any confirmed cases of men causing injuries to their children to fake illnesses for attention or monetary gain...



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