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Adam Schiff Caught ‘Fabricating’ Evidence in Huge Blow to Democrats in Senate Impeachment Trial

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Adam Schiff Caught ‘Fabricating’ Evidence in Huge Blow to Democrats in Senate Impeachment Trial​

Adam Schiff Caught ‘Fabricating’ Evidence in Huge Blow to Democrats in Senate Impeachment Trial
21 Jan 2020 ~ By Joe Callen
A bombshell new report is derailing the Democrats’ momentum against President Trump on Day One of the Senate impeachment trial. The article — in the left-leaning Politico of all places — on Tuesday night alleges that House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff appears to have “mischaracterized” evidence that was used in House Democrats’ impeachment investigation. But Republicans are ridiculing the report as an attempt to “soft-pedal” his actions, insisting that Schiff “fabricated evidence” in a naked attempt to “frame” Trump. Either way, the shocking late-night report has thrown the Democrats’ Senate plan into complete chaos. Schiff claims that Parnas ‘continued to try to arrange a meeting with President Zelensky,’ citing a specific text message exchange where Parnas tells Giuliani: ‘trying to get us mr Z.’ The remainder of the exchange — which was attached to Schiff’s letter — was redacted.”
Politico added, “But an unredacted version of the exchange shows that several days later, Parnas sent Giuliani a word document that appears to show notes from an interview with Mykola Zlochevsky, the founder of Burisma, followed by a text message to Giuliani that states: ‘mr Z answers my brother.’ That suggests Parnas was referring to Zlochevsky not Zelensky.” Democrat officials did not dispute the suggestion that Schiff’s claim was false. Given the selective redactions and contextual clues, it seems as though Chairman Schiff sought to deliberately portray an innocuous meeting with Ukrainian oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky as an insidious one with the President of Ukraine simply because both of their surnames start with the letter Z.”


Comment:
Hmm...., similar to the time Schitf entered a completely fabricated conversation into the congressional record? Schitf is a pathological liar. He simply can’t help himself. Now he's totally humiliated the House Managers.
I understanding that politicians are often noted for exaggeration and use double speak, I tend to over look their foibles. However, my patience with Schitf has long ago deserted me. He is really a slimy and despicable person. He has shown himself to be totally dishonest, and unfortunately he is rather typical of most Democrats in Congress today.
Schitf has much to lose if the focus is no longer on impeachment. His unsavory ties to pedophile billionaire Ed Buck, Jeffery Epstein, George Soros, along with his financial ties oligarchs arms dealers, the Ukraine and Burisma included. The Clintons, the Obamas and the DNC are holding all the cards, forcing Schiff to continue with this fiasco.


Schiff may have mischaracterized Parnas evidence, documents show - POLITICO
 
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Adam Schiff Caught ‘Fabricating’ Evidence in Huge Blow to Democrats in Senate Impeachment Trial​

Adam Schiff Caught ‘Fabricating’ Evidence in Huge Blow to Democrats in Senate Impeachment Trial
21 Jan 2020 ~ By Joe Callen
A bombshell new report is derailing the Democrats’ momentum against President Trump on Day One of the Senate impeachment trial. The article — in the left-leaning Politico of all places — on Tuesday night alleges that House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff appears to have “mischaracterized” evidence that was used in House Democrats’ impeachment investigation. But Republicans are ridiculing the report as an attempt to “soft-pedal” his actions, insisting that Schiff “fabricated evidence” in a naked attempt to “frame” Trump. Either way, the shocking late-night report has thrown the Democrats’ Senate plan into complete chaos. Schiff claims that Parnas ‘continued to try to arrange a meeting with President Zelensky,’ citing a specific text message exchange where Parnas tells Giuliani: ‘trying to get us mr Z.’ The remainder of the exchange — which was attached to Schiff’s letter — was redacted.”
Politico added, “But an unredacted version of the exchange shows that several days later, Parnas sent Giuliani a word document that appears to show notes from an interview with Mykola Zlochevsky, the founder of Burisma, followed by a text message to Giuliani that states: ‘mr Z answers my brother.’ That suggests Parnas was referring to Zlochevsky not Zelensky.” Democrat officials did not dispute the suggestion that Schiff’s claim was false. Given the selective redactions and contextual clues, it seems as though Chairman Schiff sought to deliberately portray an innocuous meeting with Ukrainian oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky as an insidious one with the President of Ukraine simply because both of their surnames start with the letter Z.”


Comment:
Hmm...., similar to the time Schitf entered a completely fabricated conversation into the congressional record? Schitf is a pathological liar. He simply can’t help himself. Now he's totally humiliated the House Managers.
I understanding that politicians are often noted for exaggeration and use double speak, I tend to over look their foibles. However, my patience with Schitf has long ago deserted me. He is really a slimy and despicable person. He has shown himself to be totally dishonest, and unfortunately he is rather typical of most Democrats in Congress today.
Schitf has much to lose if the focus is no longer on impeachment. His unsavory ties to pedophile billionaire Ed Buck, Jeffery Epstein, George Soros, along with his financial ties oligarchs arms dealers, the Ukraine and Burisma included. The Clintons, the Obamas and the DNC are holding all the cards, forcing Schiff to continue with this fiasco.


Schiff may have mischaracterized Parnas evidence, documents show - POLITICO

The apparent mischaracterization, however, does not undercut Democrats' argument. Nice try copy-pasta.
 
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The apparent mischaracterization, however, does not undercut Democrats' argument. Nice try copy-pasta.
You dont see a problem with him making factualy inaccurate statments a part of his argument. Seriously???

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You dont see a problem with him making factualy inaccurate statments a part of his argument. Seriously???

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Considering you don't seem to care that that is what Trump's lawyers are doing right now on live tv. No...
 
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The apparent mischaracterization, however, does not undercut Democrats' argument. Nice try copy-pasta.

Actually it does if you go to the Politico link:

The word document contains a series of questions and answers, but doesn't identify who is doing the asking or answering. Yet the questions center on the hiring practices at Burisma, while the responses include statements such as "we wanted to build Burisma as [an] international company” and "we also thought it would help in Ukraine to have strong international board figures,” which seems to point to Zlochevsky — not the Ukrainian president — as the respondent.
Schiff may have mischaracterized Parnas evidence, documents show - POLITICO

At the very least it puts Parnas' evidentiary value into question if this document is the prime evidence alleging a connection which was mischaracterized.

Time will tell.
 
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Adam Schiff Caught ‘Fabricating’ Evidence in Huge Blow to Democrats in Senate Impeachment Trial​

Adam Schiff Caught ‘Fabricating’ Evidence in Huge Blow to Democrats in Senate Impeachment Trial
21 Jan 2020 ~ By Joe Callen
A bombshell new report is derailing the Democrats’ momentum against President Trump on Day One of the Senate impeachment trial. The article — in the left-leaning Politico of all places — on Tuesday night alleges that House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff appears to have “mischaracterized” evidence that was used in House Democrats’ impeachment investigation. But Republicans are ridiculing the report as an attempt to “soft-pedal” his actions, insisting that Schiff “fabricated evidence” in a naked attempt to “frame” Trump. Either way, the shocking late-night report has thrown the Democrats’ Senate plan into complete chaos. Schiff claims that Parnas ‘continued to try to arrange a meeting with President Zelensky,’ citing a specific text message exchange where Parnas tells Giuliani: ‘trying to get us mr Z.’ The remainder of the exchange — which was attached to Schiff’s letter — was redacted.”
Politico added, “But an unredacted version of the exchange shows that several days later, Parnas sent Giuliani a word document that appears to show notes from an interview with Mykola Zlochevsky, the founder of Burisma, followed by a text message to Giuliani that states: ‘mr Z answers my brother.’ That suggests Parnas was referring to Zlochevsky not Zelensky.” Democrat officials did not dispute the suggestion that Schiff’s claim was false. Given the selective redactions and contextual clues, it seems as though Chairman Schiff sought to deliberately portray an innocuous meeting with Ukrainian oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky as an insidious one with the President of Ukraine simply because both of their surnames start with the letter Z.”


Comment:
Hmm...., similar to the time Schitf entered a completely fabricated conversation into the congressional record? Schitf is a pathological liar. He simply can’t help himself. Now he's totally humiliated the House Managers.
I understanding that politicians are often noted for exaggeration and use double speak, I tend to over look their foibles. However, my patience with Schitf has long ago deserted me. He is really a slimy and despicable person. He has shown himself to be totally dishonest, and unfortunately he is rather typical of most Democrats in Congress today.
Schitf has much to lose if the focus is no longer on impeachment. His unsavory ties to pedophile billionaire Ed Buck, Jeffery Epstein, George Soros, along with his financial ties oligarchs arms dealers, the Ukraine and Burisma included. The Clintons, the Obamas and the DNC are holding all the cards, forcing Schiff to continue with this fiasco.


Schiff may have mischaracterized Parnas evidence, documents show - POLITICO
Maybe the Senate should call Parnas to the stand to get to the bottom of it, eh?
 
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Maybe the Senate should call Parnas to the stand to get to the bottom of it, eh?

LOL. Nice try. ;)

I think not. IMO "Investigation" ended when the Democrat's voted their two impeachment Articles and presented them to the Senate.

In any case you never put a witness on the stand unless you KNOW not only what he says can help your case, but that it is also unlikely he will hurt your case.

Besides, you already know my position on "fishing expeditons" during a trial...even a Senate Impeachment trial.
 
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Actually it does if you go to the Politico link:

Schiff may have mischaracterized Parnas evidence, documents show - POLITICO

At the very least it puts Parnas' evidentiary value into question if this document is the prime evidence alleging a connection which was mischaracterized.

Time will tell.

It appears to me that Parnas is still discussing looking into investigating Biden's connection to Ukraine for Trump. He's simply talking about building a case here to smear Biden. I don't see how it's any different if the guy he is talking about is Zelensky or Zlochevsky, both meetings are intents to smear Biden. Not undercutting the Democrats argument whatsoever.

Also??? The dude has dozens of pictures of him with every single member of the ranking Republican member and the leadership of the WH plus Trump's re-election committee. Plus dozens of pictures with Trump and his lawyers themselves! Parnas stuff, even if it's all fabricated, is just the icing on top of mountains of other phone logs and text messages implicating a wide reaching effort to extort this money for Trump's personal gain.
 
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Nobody is really going to act surprised here, seeing as Schiff has been called out on his lies in the past.
 
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It appears to me that Parnas is still discussing looking into investigating Biden's connection to Ukraine for Trump. He's simply talking about building a case here to smear Biden. I don't see how it's any different if the guy he is talking about is Zelensky or Zlochevsky, both meetings are intents to smear Biden. Not undercutting the Democrats argument whatsoever.

You mind pointing to where this is stated?
 
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You mind pointing to where this is stated?

In the article it lists all the times Giuliani through Parnas, tried to get meetings with Zelensky. In post number 5 of this thread Captain, points out that there was an exchange alluding to Mr. Z, which could be either Ukrainian President Zelensky or Ukrainian Billionaire Zlochevsky. If it was Zlochevsky, he may have been talking about recruiting Biden's son to have a better US presence on his board, this is not illegal. Either way, the context remains the same. Parnas was searching for dirt on Biden and Trump was bribing Zelensky for the details, that is illegal. All you got are two guys with a last name that starts with Z and you are acting like it's some big bombshell!!! Much like all the phantom IG reports that came before it, it's not.
 
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In the article it lists all the times Giuliani through Parnas, tried to get meetings with Zelensky. In post number 5 of this thread Captain, points out that there was an exchange alluding to Mr. Z, which could be either Ukrainian President Zelensky or Ukrainian Billionaire Zlochevsky. If it was Zlochevsky, he may have been talking about recruiting Biden's son to have a better US presence on his board, this is not illegal. Either way, the context remains the same. Parnas was searching for dirt on Biden and Trump was bribing Zelensky for the details, that is illegal. All you got are two guys with a last name that starts with Z and you are acting like it's some big bombshell!!!

So that's one deflection, are you going to actually show me what was requested?
 
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So that's one deflection, are you going to actually show me what was requested?

It's not a deflection, I literally answered your question, you chose to ignore it.
 
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Maybe the Senate should call Parnas to the stand to get to the bottom of it, eh?

:lol:
 
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It's not a deflection, I literally answered your question, you chose to ignore it.

So there's the second deflection. You basically neglected to state, or even show where such a statement like yours would even begin to fit.

So should I ask again, or are you just going to deflect a third time?
 
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So there's the second deflection. You basically neglected to state, or even show where such a statement like yours would even begin to fit.

So should I ask again, or are you just going to deflect a third time?

I can't show you twice without copy pasting what I said before. Sorry


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I can't show you twice without copy pasting what I said before. Sorry


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A third deflection has been given and there goes your last chance to actually back up your claims.

Thanks for posting at least.
 
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Maybe the Senate should call Parnas to the stand to get to the bottom of it, eh?

No need to they've got Schitf lying for Parnas and all of them.
 
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You dont see a problem with him making factualy inaccurate statments a part of his argument. Seriously???

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These liberals no longer follow the constitution. But it's worse than that. They are at war with the constitution. This entire deal demonstrates Schiff has no respect for the Constitution, like all other democrats in positions of power.

They don't see a problem with manipulating the evidence? Of course not! You got to keep in mind, these are the people that are actually impeaching Trump for doing his job and working to weed out corruption.

They live in a total paradox.
 
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Maybe the Senate should call Parnas to the stand to get to the bottom of it, eh?

Kicking it back to the House would be more expeditious and proper.
 
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Adam Schiff Caught ‘Fabricating’ Evidence in Huge Blow to Democrats in Senate Impeachment Trial​
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The source of this bogus story is 24 News. This site is based on extreme right wing bias, promotion of propaganda and a total lack of transparency.
24 News - Media Bias/Fact Check
What surprises me is that so many members believed your OP.
 
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LOL. Nice try. ;)

I think not. IMO "Investigation" ended when the Democrat's voted their two impeachment Articles and presented them to the Senate.

In any case you never put a witness on the stand unless you KNOW not only what he says can help your case, but that it is also unlikely he will hurt your case.

Besides, you already know my position on "fishing expeditons" during a trial...even a Senate Impeachment trial.

Republicans: Objection!!
Response: On what grounds?
Republicans: His testimony would be absolutely devastating to our case!!

I do find it hilarious that you guys are arguing we shouldn't call any witnesses at all because it will only hurt Trump. :lamo
 
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Considering you don't seem to care that that is what Trump's lawyers are doing right now on live tv. No...

Hmm... does your whataboutism make it OK?
 
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Republicans: Objection!!
Response: On what grounds?
Republicans: His testimony would be absolutely devastating to our case!!

I do find it hilarious that you guys are arguing we shouldn't call any witnesses at all because it will only hurt Trump. :lamo

Can you point out to where Captain Adverse is saying as such?
 
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In the article it lists all the times Giuliani through Parnas, tried to get meetings with Zelensky. In post number 5 of this thread Captain, points out that there was an exchange alluding to Mr. Z, which could be either Ukrainian President Zelensky or Ukrainian Billionaire Zlochevsky. If it was Zlochevsky, he may have been talking about recruiting Biden's son to have a better US presence on his board, this is not illegal. Either way, the context remains the same. Parnas was searching for dirt on Biden and Trump was bribing Zelensky for the details, that is illegal. All you got are two guys with a last name that starts with Z and you are acting like it's some big bombshell!!! Much like all the phantom IG reports that came before it, it's not.

Look, you can drop the act.

We all know Biden is corrupt and that's why the dems impeached, because Trump was getting very close to exposing them as frauds.
 
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