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AG Bill Barr Announces Durham Probe is Now a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION

Nickyjo said:
Agreed, but have to think the timing is intended to distract. Why now? I presume that if they find something, it allows an “everybody is dirty so why pick on me” defense by Trump.
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Thats entirely possible that it was timed for optimum political value. The same can be said about the timing of the investigations into Trump. Why did they sit on the whistleblower complaint for weeks before bringing it to the publics attention? Its just the games they play.

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trouble13 said:
Thats entirely possible that it was timed for optimum political value. The same can be said about the timing of the investigations into Trump. Why did they sit on the whistleblower complaint for weeks before bringing it to the publics attention? Its just the games they play.

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The problem seems to be defining the democrats’ crime in starting the investigation. Then as now, the evidence is what prompts an investigation into Trump. What prompts an investigation into the earlier investigation?
 
trouble13 said:
Thats entirely possible that it was timed for optimum political value. The same can be said about the timing of the investigations into Trump. Why did they sit on the whistleblower complaint for weeks before bringing it to the publics attention? Its just the games they play.

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what do you mean by sit on it for weeks? they are supposed to review it internally.
 
Doc91478 said:
AG Bill Barr Announces Durham Probe is Now a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION​


BREAKING... AG Bill Barr Announces Durham Probe is Now a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION -- Subpoenas Coming! Deep State in Panic!
October 24,2019 ~ By Jim Hoft
Sean Hannity opened his show on Thursday tonight with breaking news — Attorney General Bill Barr says Prosecutor John Durham’s investigation is now a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION!


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Conspiracy to commit sedition is a crime, John Brennan. We've known all along it was a criminal matter. I just pray this continues and those whom we have despised for 3 years now will soon be sweating up their toxic innards and puking all over the place. MAGA & KAG. Fabulous news. I think that John Brennan is throwing up on his prayer rug. What you accused Trump of was fabricated, but the stuff you and your pals did was real.
Here's a hint to Susan Rice and Samantha Powers. You've been set up by the Obama WH to take the fall. You will be portrayed by ValJar and Barry as rogue people who acted without their knowledge. You're screwed. Your lives are at risk... by those you've supported.
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I have lived a good long life and have watched politics closely since I was very young. And I have never seen the kind of national demented and irrational hatred of a President as I have seen with President Trump. The stuff heaped on Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush 41 and 43 were mild compared to what we are seeing now. And yes, so much of the opposition has been clueless, manufactured, dishonest, malicious, and illegal beyond anything we though possible in the American media and deep state politics.

And through it all I have become cynical and jaded when it comes to anybody in government being held accountable for any wrong doing or criminal activity. So I honestly can't say I am confident that Durham, Horowitz, and Barr will finally make it happen.

But I hope.
 
Nickyjo said:
The problem seems to be defining the democrats’ crime in starting the investigation. Then as now, the evidence is what prompts an investigation into Trump. What prompts an investigation into the earlier investigation?
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Thats democrats had the same problem with investigating Trump. There was never a crime that was defined. Even the mueller investigation was not s criminal one. That has been one of the complaints about it. Even the crimes they did find were ancillary at best.

The glaring problem with the investigation wasnt that our gov was suspicious of the Russian government trying to influence our elections. The problem is that used that for grounds to surveil Trumps campagin. Its more thsn fair to investigate what that evidence was that lead them to do that. I think theres also a reasonable amount of skeptism of the objectivity of the investigation because of all the conflicts of interest that those conducting the investigation were discovered to had.

Im not willing to go as far as accusing any of them acting criminally but its certainly fair to investigate if they did break the law.

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danielpalos said:
what do you mean by sit on it for weeks? they are supposed to review it internally.
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I mean what i said. If you dont think there were political calculations involved in when the whistleblower complaint was made public, i think your being naive.

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trouble13 said:
I mean what i said. If you dont think there were political calculations involved in when the whistleblower complaint was made public, i think your being naive.

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Politics as usual? Why so much "complaint" about Your guy. Or, are you simply being naive.
 
Doc91478 said:
AG Bill Barr Announces Durham Probe is Now a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION​


BREAKING... AG Bill Barr Announces Durham Probe is Now a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION -- Subpoenas Coming! Deep State in Panic!
October 24,2019 ~ By Jim Hoft
Sean Hannity opened his show on Thursday tonight with breaking news — Attorney General Bill Barr says Prosecutor John Durham’s investigation is now a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION!


Comment:
Conspiracy to commit sedition is a crime, John Brennan. We've known all along it was a criminal matter. I just pray this continues and those whom we have despised for 3 years now will soon be sweating up their toxic innards and puking all over the place. MAGA & KAG. Fabulous news. I think that John Brennan is throwing up on his prayer rug. What you accused Trump of was fabricated, but the stuff you and your pals did was real.
Here's a hint to Susan Rice and Samantha Powers. You've been set up by the Obama WH to take the fall. You will be portrayed by ValJar and Barry as rogue people who acted without their knowledge. You're screwed. Your lives are at risk... by those you've supported.
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More investigations! Benghazi, Hillary's emails, Mueller probe, Ukraine (both Trump and Biden), and now the investigation of the investigation of the Mueller probe! But apparently we aren't investigating the 10 instances of abuse of power found by Mueller.

We need to make a new law, that if you want to start an investigation, you have to pay 1 billion dollars, per year.
 
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danielpalos said:
no. only why only the right wing, likes him the most.
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Only the right wing? Im not sure thats accurate. In truth a find his positions more pragmatic than ideological. He isnt staunchly conservative but he does he agree with some of their big ticket agenda items. He also seems to be interested in some left wing things as well. I would not call him a moderate but he holds positions from both the left and the right which puts him in the middle. If the democrats ahowed a willingness to work with him i think they could get some things passed that they want and i think it would of helped them in this election if they had.

For instance i think he would he gladly help them get republicans to pass something to make daca a law if they had helped him with border security.

I think democrats missed some real opportunities with this president.

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trouble13 said:
Only the right wing? Im not sure thats accurate. In truth a find his positions more pragmatic than ideological. He isnt staunchly conservative but he does he agree with some of their big ticket agenda items. He also seems to be interested in some left wing things as well. I would not call him a moderate but he holds positions from both the left and the right which puts him in the middle. If the democrats ahowed a willingness to work with him i think they could get some things passed that they want and i think it would of helped them in this election if they had.

For instance i think he would he gladly help them get republicans to pass something to make daca a law if they had helped him with border security.

I think democrats missed some real opportunities with this president.

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sure. the left could have made much better use of Your guy with left wing policies. we actually understand our federal Constitution.
 
trouble13 said:
Only the right wing? Im not sure thats accurate. In truth a find his positions more pragmatic than ideological. He isnt staunchly conservative but he does he agree with some of their big ticket agenda items. He also seems to be interested in some left wing things as well. I would not call him a moderate but he holds positions from both the left and the right which puts him in the middle. If the democrats ahowed a willingness to work with him i think they could get some things passed that they want and i think it would of helped them in this election if they had.

For instance i think he would he gladly help them get republicans to pass something to make daca a law if they had helped him with border security. I think democrats missed some real opportunities with this president.
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It isn't accurate. It would be closer to say that only the left hates him, but that's not really true either.

Trump's demographics cut oddly through several spectra of the population. He gets a surprising number of not-before-active people, and a surprising number of minorities. By reputation, he attracts less educated men, but his support among women is about the same as for Republicans generally, while his support among college educated is interesting. Comparing polling to exit polling indicates that less educated supporters are vocal, but those with college degrees are more willing to conceal it. Not surprisingly, he has consistently outperformed his polling.

On the flip side, haters abound. They also cut across normal boundaries. The media en masse stands against him as do the more active Democrats. There are also Trump haters among conservatives, particularly the more gentile, such as the Presidents Bush, George Will, and the writers of National Review. Some of them have been won over by his performance in office, eg Sean Hannity. Still, Republicans are almost 90% favorable.

That said, the manner the question is asked matters. For example, Quinnipiac and Economist/YouGiv both ask, "Do you approve or disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling his job as president?" Quinnipiac asked it as the first question following comparisons of all the Democratic candidates. E/YG asks it after numerous questions on national and international policy. Unsurprisingly, the difference is in response is dramatic. It is worth noting that Trump gets very high (>15%) not sure/no opinion among minorities and independents.

danielpalos said:
sure. the left could have made much better use of Your guy with left wing policies. we actually understand our federal Constitution.
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Not so that you would notice. Witness the impeachment hearing sham.
 
danielpalos said:
sure. the left could have made much better use of Your guy with left wing policies. we actually understand our federal Constitution.
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He is Your President too which makes him Our President. You intentional missuse of words reveals Your unwillinginess to be open to other peoples perspectives.

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trouble13 said:
He is Your President too which makes him Our President. You intentional missuse of words reveals Your unwillinginess to be open to other peoples perspectives.

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I am open to perspectives, not repugnance to our Constitution.
 
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