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Michael Flynn Graymails the Government

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Michael Flynn Graymails the Government | The American Spectator
Will the FBI risk disclosure of its dirty tactics in its persecution of Michael Flynn? Flynn’s new lawyer thinks it won’t.

And that is how graymail discovery tactics work. They force the prosecution to weigh the benefit of proceeding with its case against the pain of being humiliated or otherwise harmed by public disclosure of its most deeply held embarrassing secrets.

This brings us to the inspired and recently unsealed motion to compel production of exculpatory evidence filed by Sidney Powell, former Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn’s new lawyer.

As you may recall, there are many disturbing questions surrounding the federal government’s investigation, arrest, and prosecution of Flynn. Although he has pled guilty to a flimsy and corruptly contrived charge of lying to the FBI, that plea came about after he had — according to media reports — bankrupted himself by paying $4 million in legal fees to the Washington law firm that represented him prior to Powell. In short, it appears that Flynn pled guilty because he couldn’t afford any more justice.

In addition to the law firm’s impressive professional achievement of turning a mere guilty plea proceeding into a reported $4 million payday, the known facts and circumstances surrounding the Flynn case are equally remarkable.
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It seems that the government prosecutors M.O. is to bankrupt the defendant first, then pile on the bull****.
 
chuckiechan said:
Michael Flynn Graymails the Government | The American Spectator
Will the FBI risk disclosure of its dirty tactics in its persecution of Michael Flynn? Flynn’s new lawyer thinks it won’t.



It seems that the government prosecutors M.O. is to bankrupt the defendant first, then pile on the bull****.
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Not only did Weissmann bankrupt him, they threatened to go after his son. It's a credit to Flynn that through all that, he didn't give them what they wanted: Lies about Trump.
 
"Exculpatory evidence" for something he plead guilty to and still pleads guilty to?

You can't be serious.
 
Phys251 said:
Are you afraid that he's gonna squeal again against your Dear Leader? :D
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Is the partisan baiting necessary, or could we maybe discuss reasonably whether Flynn was treated fairly and whether this legal gambit is sound? Just maybe and for once?
 
OMG This is hilarious. The prosecutors committed a felony, and you are trying to blame Gen Flynn. :lamo

The sad part is that he now appears to be for-real innocent, yet they are still going after him.
 
Jay59 said:
OMG This is hilarious. The prosecutors committed a felony, and you are trying to blame Gen Flynn. :lamo

The sad part is that he now appears to be for-real innocent, yet they are still going after him.
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What felony did they commit?
 
nota bene said:
Is the partisan baiting necessary, or could we maybe discuss reasonably whether Flynn was treated fairly and whether this legal gambit is sound? Just maybe and for once?
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:lamo

You and I both know what the real motive is for worrying about whether Flynn will squeal. :)
 
Phys251 said:
:lamo

You and I both know what the real motive is for worrying about whether Flynn will squeal. :)
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Please don't speak for me; you don't even speak for you, which is why I posted to you. Can you do better than gratuitous pot-stirring?
 
roughdraft274 said:
"Exculpatory evidence" for something he plead guilty to and still pleads guilty to?

You can't be serious.
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Flynn's current lawyers are contending that, had that exculpatory evidence been presented in the beginning, Flynn very well would not have plead guilty. Furthermore, withholding that evidence is in violation of the law by the anti-Trump small group in the FBI/DOJ.

I predict Flynn's entire case...including guilty plea...will be dismissed.
 
Mycroft said:
Flynn's current lawyers are contending that, had that exculpatory evidence been presented in the beginning, Flynn very well would not have plead guilty. Furthermore, withholding that evidence is in violation of the law by the anti-Trump small group in the FBI/DOJ.

I predict Flynn's entire case...including guilty plea...will be dismissed.
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Then why hasn't he retracted his guilty plea? He's still allowed to.

And why are all of the Trump supporters here so sure that whatever they are asking for is exculpatory? Are you basically acting like the entire case is being flipped up on it's head because a defense lawyer is saying that something proves that the person paying me is innocent?
 
Mycroft said:
Flynn's current lawyers are contending that, had that exculpatory evidence been presented in the beginning, Flynn very well would not have plead guilty. Furthermore, withholding that evidence is in violation of the law by the anti-Trump small group in the FBI/DOJ.

I predict Flynn's entire case...including guilty plea...will be dismissed.
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And i hope he is allowed to due the government to be made whole again. And he should sue his persecutors in the FBI for trampling on his civil rights.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Then why hasn't he retracted his guilty plea? He's still allowed to.

And why are all of the Trump supporters here so sure that whatever they are asking for is exculpatory? Are you basically acting like the entire case is being flipped up on it's head because a defense lawyer is saying that something proves that the person paying me is innocent?
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You should get yourself up to speed in regard to what Flynn's lawyer have been, and are, doing. That way you won't have to ask me questions that you should already know the answers to.

Tell you what...I'll give you something to get you started, but from there you are on your own.

Flynn Motion to Show Cause and Compel | James Comey | Discovery (Law)

In any case, I'm not privy to the strategies of Flynn and his lawyers. My guess is that they'll leave it up to the judge to dismiss the case instead of risking further action by withdrawing the plea.
 
Mycroft said:
You should get yourself up to speed in regard to what Flynn's lawyer have been, and are, doing. That way you won't have to ask me questions that you should already know the answers to.

Tell you what...I'll give you something to get you started, but from there you are on your own.

Flynn Motion to Show Cause and Compel | James Comey | Discovery (Law)

In any case, I'm not privy to the strategies of Flynn and his lawyers. My guess is that they'll leave it up to the judge to dismiss the case instead of risking further action by withdrawing the plea.
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I'm up to speed. What you linked is exactly what I was saying. His new lawyer is saying "he's innocent! There's exculpatory information!" but we don't actually know that's it's exculpatory. And most experts and professionals are saying that it's likely not. His lawyer has been throwing all kinds of bat **** crazy conspiracy theories against the wall to try to get anything to stick. But it's all still bat **** crazy nonsense.
 
Mycroft said:
You should get yourself up to speed in regard to what Flynn's lawyer have been, and are, doing. That way you won't have to ask me questions that you should already know the answers to.

Tell you what...I'll give you something to get you started, but from there you are on your own.

Flynn Motion to Show Cause and Compel | James Comey | Discovery (Law)

In any case, I'm not privy to the strategies of Flynn and his lawyers. My guess is that they'll leave it up to the judge to dismiss the case instead of risking further action by withdrawing the plea.
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Flynn pled guilty to lying to the FBI.

Virtually all of that information that is requested has zero to do with what he is charged with.
 
roughdraft274 said:
I'm up to speed. What you linked is exactly what I was saying. His new lawyer is saying "he's innocent! There's exculpatory information!" but we don't actually know that's it's exculpatory. And most experts and professionals are saying that it's likely not. His lawyer has been throwing all kinds of bat **** crazy conspiracy theories against the wall to try to get anything to stick. But it's all still bat **** crazy nonsense.
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Perhaps you can give me the quote from that court document in which his lawyer says "he's innocent! There's exculpatory information!". I didn't see that wording.
 
Jezcoe said:
Flynn pled guilty to lying to the FBI.

Virtually all of that information that is requested has zero to do with what he is charged with.
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Virtually all of that information that is requested COULD have had an effect on whether Flynn would have plead guilty or not...if it had been previously prevented as it should have been.

Seriously...do you contend that, since important exculpatory evidence was deliberately withheld by the prosecutors, it's just too bad for him that he entered a plea already?
 
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Mycroft said:
Perhaps you can give me the quote from that court document in which his lawyer says "he's innocent! There's exculpatory information!". I didn't see that wording.
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Ahh, you must be getting uncomfortable. You are no sidestepping and trying to divert from the topic at hand to take issue with me paraphrasing the argument from his lawyer. Noted.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Ahh, you must be getting uncomfortable. You are no sidestepping and trying to divert from the topic at hand to take issue with me paraphrasing the argument from his lawyer. Noted.
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Your "paraphrasing" didn't capture any of the points made in that court document. That's why I asked for the quote.

Perhaps you should read that court document again.
 
Mycroft said:
Your "paraphrasing" didn't capture any of the points made in that court document. That's why I asked for the quote.

Perhaps you should read that court document again.
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The lawyer is asking for all kinds of documents, claiming they are exculpatory, when in reality they very likely aren't, and much of them have nothing to do with the actual case.
 
roughdraft274 said:
The lawyer is asking for all kinds of documents, claiming they are exculpatory, when in reality they very likely aren't, and much of them have nothing to do with the actual case.
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Again, I must ask you for a quote in which Flynn's lawyers are "claiming they are exculpatory". I didn't see that wording at all.

I did see this, however...

The only way to achieve justice in this case is to provide transparency and the full disclosure of all information relevant to the defense of Mr. Flynn.
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Mycroft said:
Again, I must ask you for a quote in which Flynn's lawyers are "claiming they are exculpatory". I didn't see that wording at all.

I did see this, however...
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Here's the title of the document you linked to:

"MOTION TO COMPEL THE PRODUCTION OF BRADY MATERIAL AND FOR AN ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE"

Brady disclosure - Wikipedia

Brady disclosure consists of exculpatory or impeaching information and evidence that is material to the guilt or innocence or to the punishment of a defendant.
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Are you just trolling or something? Or do you literally not understand that the entire thing that you linked to is doing the exact thing that you "didn't see".

You need to understand that this stupid **** only works for Trump supporters. Everyone else sees the bull****, including the judge on that case.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Here's the title of the document you linked to:

"MOTION TO COMPEL THE PRODUCTION OF BRADY MATERIAL AND FOR AN ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE"

Brady disclosure - Wikipedia



Are you just trolling or something? Or do you literally not understand that the entire thing that you linked to is doing the exact thing that you "didn't see".

You need to understand that this stupid **** only works for Trump supporters. Everyone else sees the bull****, including the judge on that case.
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Their motion extends far beyond the notion of "exculpatory", though that is included. You seem to be focused on the exculpatory and contend that is the only purpose of the motion. It's not, as the quote you provide explains. You then extend your limited focus into a contention of their motives and even what you say are their claims.

The fact is, they give their motives in the quote I've presented and their motives go far beyond "exculpatory" evidence.
 
Mycroft said:
Their motion extends far beyond the notion of "exculpatory", though that is included. You seem to be focused on the exculpatory and contend that is the only purpose of the motion. It's not. You then extend your limited focus into a contention of their motives and even what you say are their claims.

The fact is, they give their motives in the quote I've presented and their motives go far beyond "exculpatory" evidence.
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I covered that when I mentioned their conspiracy theories.
 
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