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Self-righteous assaults on America's history make the U.S. a lesser nation

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Self-righteous assaults on America's history make the U.S. a lesser nation​



Self-righteous assaults on America's history makes the U.S. a lesser nation
07/08/2019 ~ By Allan C. Brownfeld
WASHINGTON: In recent days, we have seen an escalation in assaults upon American history. Nike’s knee-jerk removal of sneakers displaying the 13-star Betsy Ross flag due to the complaints of Colin Kaepernick. Kaepernick, a former NFL football player is a Nike spokesperson. What is Kaepernick’s complaint about the flag? A few far-right groups waived it. At almost the same time, the city of Charlottesville, Virginia decided that it would no longer celebrate the birthday of Thomas Jefferson. Moreover, the city of San Francisco announced that it would spend $600,000 to paint over a mural depicting the life of George Washington. In the case of the Betsy Ross flag, there is no connection to slavery. For one Ross was a feminist of her time. She was also an anti-slavery Quaker. The first flag of the United States was about uniting a new country Mark Pitcavage, a senior fellow at the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, says: “We view it as essentially an innocuous historical flag. It’s not a thing in the white supremacist movement.” Lisa Moulder, Director of the Betsy Ross House in Philadelphia, says of the flag that, “I’ve always seen it as a representation of early America, a society that was not perfect and is not perfect today.”
Those who would topple statues and paint over murals because those who created our country were not perfect. Because those who have come before us were imperfect human beings, as are we today. We celebrate them for their achievements, in spite of their faults and shortcomings. In totalitarian societies, we have seen groups like the Nazis, the Red Guard, and the Taliban burn books, topple statues and destroy paintings. We should not permit those in our present-day society, a small but vocal group, to succeed in imitating such destructive behavior.


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History and culture were never subjects of great interest or subjects taken seriously in the United States. Overall our nation is oriented toward gadgets and short term matters. Most Americans do not grasp the historical fact that it took over 500 years from the time of Magna Carta to the middle of the 18th century for England to even reach the outskirts of democracy. The English speaking nations did not get there until the late 19th century.
If democracy was hard for the English speaking nations to achieve think of how difficult it must be in the Middle East or Asia where they never ever had a democratic tradition.
Even in Greece, where democracy was invented, they never had a firm grasp on it. After Pericles and the loss of the Peloponnesian Wars Athenian democracy went belly up when Alexander whipped them.
History shows that these nations each had their Achilles heels none were pure or perfect and all had imperfections. The United States too has had imperfection throughout its existence from the beginning. That in itself is no reason to blot out it's history today by taking down statutes, painting over murals and going as far as to destroy and revising the history books to portray America today. The Nazi's tried to burn all the history books and Stalinist Russia revised their history to fit their times, and China has done the same.
Democracy is simple. It is based of the belief that government is just an expression of the people it's meant to govern. It means you don't create policies that the people don't want, and if you want things to change, you have to explain the changes and get people to agree BEFORE making them.
In China, maybe the people would support the idea of taking away a man's home to build a highway, but what about to build a high rise apartment building? Shouldn't he get to at least keep one of the apartments? But the people were not asked. Democracy allows us to keep discussing the things we don't like until our representatives fix them. China? Nope. Democracy has mechanisms to hold leaders accountable. While Progressive Marxist Socialist/DSA are promoting Nazi, Communist methods to revise and blur the truth.
 
Like the time the President claimed the Amy sized airports in the Revolutionary War?

Or whenever confederate apologists blatantly lie that the Civil War was not about slavery?
 
When Jefferson decreed that all men were equal and free from oppression, that flag represented our independence from England while slaves were still subservient to their owners.
 
Like the time the President claimed the Amy sized airports in the Revolutionary War?

Or whenever confederate apologists blatantly lie that the Civil War was not about slavery?

Or like the time you said "Amy sized airports in the Revolutionary War?" Who was this Amy, and why was she measuring the size of non-existent airports? :roll:

Trump was reading his speech from a teleprompter, more likely than not written by someone in the Communications Office.

It was raining and he was reading through a plexiglass barrier, streaming water. So he got one word wrong, without self-correction throughout the entire speech.

Yeah, finding that one error really proved something; just how far some people will go to find any kind of fault with this President. :coffeepap:
 
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Or like the time you said "Amy sized airports in the Revolutionary War?" Who was this Amy, and why was she measuring the size of non-existent airports? :roll:

Trump was reading from a teleprompter, more likely than not written by someone in the Communications Office.

It was raining and he was reading through a plexiglass barrier, streaming water. So he got one word wrong, without self-correction throughout the entire speech.

Yeah, finding that one error really proved something; just how far some people will go to find any kind of fault with this President. :coffeepap:

When you're rude to others and are a braggart, these things tend to come your way. It's a "you get what you give" scenario.
 
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The two commas and period are error markers more than anything else.

The quotation marks are the only accurate part of the sentence.

It's a wipeout in the rain. It marks Trump's transition to incoherence.
 
Or like the time you said "Amy sized airports in the Revolutionary War?" Who was this Amy, and why was she measuring the size of non-existent airports? :roll:

Trump was reading his speech from a teleprompter, more likely than not written by someone in the Communications Office.

It was raining and he was reading through a plexiglass barrier, streaming water. So he got one word wrong, without self-correction throughout the entire speech.

Yeah, finding that one error really proved something; just how far some people will go to find any kind of fault with this President. :coffeepap:

Except that it wasn't one word, but many, and the speech is ,as given, in the archives.
 
Or like the time you said "Amy sized airports in the Revolutionary War?" Who was this Amy, and why was she measuring the size of non-existent airports? :roll:

Trump was reading his speech from a teleprompter, more likely than not written by someone in the Communications Office.

It was raining and he was ...LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!

Yeah, finding that one error really proved something; just how far some people will go to find any kind of fault with this President. :coffeepap:

Pretty sure it can be figured out between the typos. My apologies for not spotting them in the editing time frame.

As for that 'one error' look who's talking. Picking apart a typo. Well two technically if it aids the case against me.

Twump f***s up literally every time he makes a speech. Every time. This was no different. I will not leave Britney alone.
 
Pretty sure it can be figured out between the typos. My apologies for not spotting them in the editing time frame.

As for that 'one error' look who's talking. Picking apart a typo. Well two technically if it aids the case against me.

Twump f***s up literally every time he makes a speech. Every time. This was no different. I will not leave Britney alone.

Sorry, clearly you misunderstood my intent. That's also understandable, as most anti-Administration advocates tend to misunderstand much of what Trump says and does. IMO often intentionally out of zealous antipathy, but sometimes unintentionally as you tried to explain in your own case.

I was simply pointing out how easy it is to make a mistake, as your own post demonstrated. Clearly (like Mr. Trump) at the time of your posting you simply thought you had posted properly and went on about your business. Then I come along and point it out and you have to react defensively.

Of course had you taken the time to read, and realize what you were stating, then you could have corrected before final posting. But hindsight is 20/20, and never acceptable to adversaries. Yet we ALL make such mistakes from time to time and don't realize until later when someone points it out.

Why can't you give the target of your ire the same consideration? THAT was my point.
 
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Sorry, clearly you misunderstood my intent. That's also understandable, as most anti-Administration advocates tend to misunderstand much of what Trump says and does. IMO often intentionally out of zealous antipathy, but sometimes unintentionally as you tried to explain in your own case.

I was simply pointing out how easy it is to make a mistake, as your own post demonstrated. Clearly (like Mr. Trump) at the time of your posting you simply thought you had posted properly and went on about your business. Then I come along and point it out and you have to react defensively.

Of course had you taken the time to read, and realize what you were stating, then you could have corrected before final posting. But hindsight is 20/20, and never acceptable to adversaries. Yet we ALL make such mistakes from time to time and don't realize until later when someone points it out.

Why can't you give the target of your ire the same consideration? THAT was my point.

Well of course it is easy for us to make typos here because we do it with a beer in our hands and a dirty movie playing in the top window - at least I do. Or coffee and toast, or something playing in the headphones. Sometimes I'm not even minded to go and correct them. I'm not writing a job application here. I am talking politics with a bunch of strangers who more often than not use my dislike of their preferred public figures to make personal attacks on me, so forgive my earlier defensiveness.

There is no comparison with Trump. He talks garbage in almost every speech. He rambles and nonsense comes out. Yes he might have had a teleprompter malfucntion but I cannot believe the excuse that those words somehow came up or that's what he thought he should read because of rain on the safety glass. If that's what his people wrote they're idiots and that's because since all the halfway competent people have been fired, charged or just left, he's only left with idiots. Put another way only idiots will work for him. Or crooks.

But I digress: If there was a malfunction he should have known better to read what he thought he saw. That makes him dumb. If it was off altogether then those are entirely his own words and he's even dumber. Who on earth would let himself say such silliness - oh yeah, the birther guy. Because of trump's past, present and guaranteed future of talking utter poppycock, the target of my ire gets no 'consideration' on that front. Next time he opens his mouth he'll do it again.

So back to the OP, electing a complete ignoramus who doesn't even know or care to correct himself on America's history is what makes a 'lesser nation'.
 
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