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Anti-abortion Rep. Tim Murphy resigns after report he asked lover to end pregnancy

JasperL said:
The problem in this scenario is Murphy never denied the text was real, never alleged it was fabricated, never challenged the facts in the story, and instead chose to resign. So you're making up defenses he never used at that time. The "proof" could only happen if Murphy first asserted some defense such as "fabricated!" and took it to court which would require a chain of evidence, etc. It's an unrealistic and really impossible standard here, in defense of someone who NEVER OBJECTED TO THE FACTS AS ALLEGED.
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Honestly, would that have changed anything?

Or would more people just want him out on a rail anyway?
 
OlNate said:
What's pathetic is your consistency in not believing victims, when no judgement from you was necessary, due to you know having the first clue what you're talking about one way or the other. Were you there? I prefer to wait for results of investigations. It's what adults do.

As for me, well...I've managed to negotiate this far in life without having any allegations against me. Trying hard not to be a piece of **** has had something to do with that, I like to think. :shrug:
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As you did in waiting for the Russian collusion investigation... and then just denied the findings in the end?

Yes... that obviously what "adults" do.

I'm just mocking your personal attacks actually. Nothing more, nothing less and in returned postulated a question that mirrors something that has affected many innocent men in the united states already. False claims of sexual assault, or even sexual misconduct have ruined these men's lives and even lead to their suicides in most cases. It did not matter that they were trying hard to not "be a piece of ****" as you so eloquently put it. But that is besides the point.

Good, or not. These men could do very little to affect their lives after such accusations came forward and the same would most likely be for you as well. Because it's never what "you did", or how "you acted". It's the power of public opinion after all and that can do far more damaged than most things today.

Now are there any more hollow, moral tirades you want to go on, or is that it?
 
Lursa said:
He didnt fight it and it was more than a yr ago so no, I dont have the links. It's not new news.

Resigning is clear evidence...once it broke, you are right...he was condemned in the court of public opinion. And out of a job. It was in his own best interests to prove her wrong. But he couldnt.
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Would him standing up to the allegation prove anything to such a group of people. Who're most likely, already out for his blood?
 
Oborosen said:
As you did in waiting for the Russian collusion investigation... and then just denied the findings in the end?

Yes... that obviously what "adults" do.

I'm just mocking your personal attacks actually. Nothing more, nothing less and in returned postulated a question that mirrors something that has affected many innocent men in the united states already. False claims of sexual assault, or even sexual misconduct have ruined these men's lives and even lead to their suicides in most cases. It did not matter that they were trying hard to not "be a piece of ****" as you so eloquently put it. But that is besides the point.

Good, or not. These men could do very little to affect their lives after such accusations came forward and the same would most likely be for you as well. Because it's never what "you did", or how "you acted". It's the power of public opinion after all and that can do far more damaged than most things today.

Now are there any more hollow, moral tirades you want to go on, or is that it?
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Hollow moral tirade, huh? :lol: Is that kind of like your hollow righteous indignation? No, wait, unlike your knee jerk, partisan belief system (you believe whatever your side tells you to believe), I don't get lead around the nose like a dummy, and speak my mind, not "my side's" memes. Also, if you think four lines is a tirade, you have me confused with someone else.

Speaking of confusing me with something else, I purposefully didn't weigh in on the Russian collusion thing, other than to say that there should be an investigation. I'm actually pretty consistent - I know, I know, that must be very frustrating, when you're trying to twist my words and misrepresent me all the time. Tsk. Sorry. :(

So, basically, from your response here, I think all we can really do is come to the conclusion that you are rather confused. Perhaps I should go easier on you...let me try a softer approach.

The issue I take with your statement is that you automatically, without knowing a single thing about the situation beyond what the article says, think the woman is being shady. When you default to that every time, you establish a pattern...a very old pattern, and one that feminists have been fighting for some time now. In a sense, your thoughtless remark justifies not only the continued efforts of feminists, but also the unfair treatment of men, as any open minded person must factor in the widespread existence of the very pattern your demonstrating when forming an opinion....or judgement.

But maybe I need to understand a little better. What would it hurt you to withhold judgement until something is proven or unproven? What would it cost to not blame women every single time one of your heroes is implicated in shady behavior, when you honestly don't know what you're talking about? Maybe you can explain to me why you, and folks like you, ignore statistical trends, and feel so sure that every time a woman raises some kind of concern around sex, whether it's sexual misconduct, or an unwanted pregnancy, or abortion, it could only be her fault?

I get that you feel men are super super big victims...despite a tsunami of statistical evidence that flatly debunks that. But if you let that opinion make you blurt out nonsense about how it simply MUST be the woman's fault, without knowing the first detail about it, aren't you perpetuating against women the very thing, however made up and delusional, you are complaining about happening to men?

Oh, and maybe try skipping the mocking...it's not accomplishing what you might think it is. ;) :lol:
 
HenryChinaski said:
Anti-abortion Rep. Tim Murphy resigns after report he asked lover to end pregnancy - ABC News. Like I stated in the other thread, these phony scumbag hypocrite religious ****s are going to just drive across state lines to get their mistresses and girlfriends abortions. And I’m sure they’ve already figured out their back up plans just incase
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I think Murphy did the right thing; his credibility was severely lessened by his actions. I wonder what his wife's reaction, if any, was.
 
HumblePi said:
Does anyone remember how Michael Cohen said that he only had three clients besides Trump, one was Elliot Broidy and the third is a mystery.

There's a theory that the $1.6 million paid to Playboy model Shera Bechard for her abortion wasn't Elliot Boidy's at all, that it was Trump's. It's logical that it was Donald Trump, not Elliott Broidy, that had an affair with Shera Bechard. Bechard hired Keith Davidson, who had negotiated both Playboy playmate Karen McDougal’s deal with the National Enquirer and Stormy Daniels’s NDA with Trump. Davidson called Cohen, and the two of them negotiated a $1.6 million payment to Bechard.

At this point Cohen needed to find a funding source. Cohen asserts he took out a home equity loan to come up with a mere $130,000 to pay off Stormy Daniels, so it seems clear he couldn’t have fronted the $1.6 million for the Bechard deal himself. So Cohen reached out to Elliott Broidy, a very rich Republican fundraiser with several pending and highly lucrative business deals with foreign governments: deals that hinged on whether Broidy could convince the U.S. government to take various actions. By stepping up to take responsibility for the affair and to fund the seven-figure settlement, Broidy was ensuring that he could continue to peddle his influence with Trump to governments around the world.

As the hypothesis goes, when Cohen’s office was raided by federal prosecutors, they found documentation of what was actually a fabricated affair, concocted by Cohen and Davidson to create a justification for funneling Broidy’s money to Bechard, while creating a paper record designed to protect Trump from further exposure.

Trump has a well-documented history of having unprotected sex with women in the adult-entertainment industry, and then subsequently buying their silence via proxies. Trump also has a history of being obsessed specifically with Playboy playmates. Trump had a long-standing close friendship with Hugh Hefner, and often visited the Playboy mansion, to which he brought contestants from his television show The Apprentice. Bechard was actually at one time Hefner’s girlfriend, while Trump and Hefner’s friendship mysteriously came to an end in 2016.

Broidy is 60 years old, and has been married for over 25 years to a woman of about his own age, with whom he has had three children. His wife is an attorney who was previously a senior vice-president at 20th Century Fox (she has reportedly been involved in some of Broidy’s more questionable business dealings). While of course it’s not impossible that Broidy chose to pursue a dangerous liaison with Miss November 2010, his biography is not that of a man who has the appearance of a likely candidate to have an affair with a Playboy playmate several decades younger than himself. He is not, in other words, a thrice-married serial adulterer with an established record of sleeping with models, playmates, and porn stars.

Of course, it's speculation on the part of multiple sources but it's logical. Why on earth would Michael Cohen who was dedicated to Trump even take on a client like Elliot Broidy? I believe it was Trump's baby she was carrying and got aborted.
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While it may be speculation, it does make for good reading.
 
Oborosen said:
Would him standing up to the allegation prove anything to such a group of people. Who're most likely, already out for his blood?
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How does that matter? He betrayed both sides...and the proof was there, it was no allegation. It's his own fault that he committed an act that showed him as a hypocrite and dishonest. Who's going to feel sorry that 'he didnt have options?'
 
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