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Time for Democrats to accept reality

Mongidig said:
This is MAGA country for the next 6 years at least whether the Dems like it or not!
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Don't get too cocky. Trump has a real shot at getting re-elected, but overconfidence kills.
 
joko104 said:
:lol:

Oh watch CNN and he can feel the GUILT of being a white man - the most evil of all creatures - and the DEPRESSION of learning everything comes to an end in 12 years, and in the meantime they are stuck in a country worse than Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge and under a dictator worse than Adolph Hitler that is destroying the entire planet and has death camps mass murdering Latino babies.

I've been wondering how anyone can live and think like that? Talk about being killjoys are a party!
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The Depressedocrats live in a giant pond of sadness, hate, grief etc. They hold tight to pain not because it feels good but because it feels comfortable. It's like CNN is North Korea and the liberals are it's brainwashed imprisoned people. Many were born neurotic while others have become neurotic being in such toxic environment. They are against the wall yet they live with barriers to their happiness.

I pray for their hurting souls.
 
Doc91478 said:
Time for Democrats to accept reality​


Time for Democrats to accept reality | TheHill
04/19/19 ~ By Elizabeth Harrington

Democrats have been living in a fantasy world where words can lose all meaning.


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A lot of regular Dem voters are leaving the party in large numbers. Additionally, the party cannot count on 95% of black voters picking the D candidate any more, and many Hispanics are also realizing that Dem positions are not helping them either. 34% of attendees at Trump's last rally were Dems. The Progressive Marxist Socialist/DSA Democrat party is dead, it's just twitching for a while. Progressive Democrats are emotionally unable to understand that PMS/DSA ideology fails every time.
It doesn’t matter what he wants congress to do, because congress is hyper partisan. If Mueller and his investigators had anything on collusion, they would have charged. Since they didn’t, Progressive sore losers are left to whine about unchargeable process crimes.
Progressive Marxist Socialist Democrats will keep going until they run out of rich people's money.
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If you think Trump won because he was popular and like, you'd be mistaken. Both candidates weren't liked at all. Only 38% of all Americans had a favorable view of Clinton, 58% unfavorable. Trump was a bit worse, 36% favorable, 60% unfavorable which probably accounts for Hillary winning the popular vote. Where this dislike really counted was among independents, they very much disliked Hillary more than Trump. 70% unfavorable for Hillary vs. 57% unfavorable for Trump. Hence Trump won the independent vote and the white House because he was the candidate independents wanted to lose the least. Still 12% of independents voted third party against both Trump and hillary.

Sure, there are a ton of other factors. you mentioned one. The laziness of Hillary Clinton to campaign like she actually wanted to win. From 1 Sep 2016 through 8 Nov 2016 she ceded the campaign trail to Trump. Trump made 116 campaign visits/appearances/rallies to Hillary's 71. That 71 appears larger than it actually was as it includes fund raisers in deep blue California and New York. The deciding states, Trump 5 visits to Wisconsin, Hillary none, zero. Michigan, Trump 6, Hillary 1. Pennsylvania was closer, 8 for Trump, 5 for Hillary. Even in electoral vote rich Florida, Hillary ceded it to Trump, 13 visits for Trump, 8 for Hillary.

Hillary had no fire in the belly to get out there and win. This showed in her ho hum campaign which sparked little to no energy among her supporters. Almost like she thought she'd be handed the presidency on a silver platter without have to work or campaign for it. Trump's supporters were full of energy and enthusiasm, they were willing to go to the four corners of the earth for him. Not so with Hillary's. Perhaps her ho humness rubbed off on those who supported her.

Throw in the jury rigging of the Democratic Primaries in Hillary's favor by the DNC and Democratic state party leaders which made Sanders supporters angry in which a quarter of them refused to support Hillary. Her inept campaign strategy along with bunch more reasons why she loss which Hillary had 100%, full control over. Hillary also avoided the media, going over 200 days without a press conference. Trump was all over the media. In the end, I'd say Hillary gave away the presidency due to her laziness, ineptness and totally like of drive to get out there and give it her all.
 
Perotista said:
If you think Trump won because he was popular and like, you'd be mistaken. Both candidates weren't liked at all. Only 38% of all Americans had a favorable view of Clinton, 58% unfavorable. Trump was a bit worse, 36% favorable, 60% unfavorable which probably accounts for Hillary winning the popular vote. Where this dislike really counted was among independents, they very much disliked Hillary more than Trump. 70% unfavorable for Hillary vs. 57% unfavorable for Trump. Hence Trump won the independent vote and the white House because he was the candidate independents wanted to lose the least. Still 12% of independents voted third party against both Trump and hillary.

Sure, there are a ton of other factors. you mentioned one. The laziness of Hillary Clinton to campaign like she actually wanted to win. From 1 Sep 2016 through 8 Nov 2016 she ceded the campaign trail to Trump. Trump made 116 campaign visits/appearances/rallies to Hillary's 71. That 71 appears larger than it actually was as it includes fund raisers in deep blue California and New York. The deciding states, Trump 5 visits to Wisconsin, Hillary none, zero. Michigan, Trump 6, Hillary 1. Pennsylvania was closer, 8 for Trump, 5 for Hillary. Even in electoral vote rich Florida, Hillary ceded it to Trump, 13 visits for Trump, 8 for Hillary.

Hillary had no fire in the belly to get out there and win. This showed in her ho hum campaign which sparked little to no energy among her supporters. Almost like she thought she'd be handed the presidency on a silver platter without have to work or campaign for it. Trump's supporters were full of energy and enthusiasm, they were willing to go to the four corners of the earth for him. Not so with Hillary's. Perhaps her ho humness rubbed off on those who supported her.

Throw in the jury rigging of the Democratic Primaries in Hillary's favor by the DNC and Democratic state party leaders which made Sanders supporters angry in which a quarter of them refused to support Hillary. Her inept campaign strategy along with bunch more reasons why she loss which Hillary had 100%, full control over. Hillary also avoided the media, going over 200 days without a press conference. Trump was all over the media. In the end, I'd say Hillary gave away the presidency due to her laziness, ineptness and totally like of drive to get out there and give it her all.
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I agree for the most part of your Op-Ed. Certainly both candidates performed in the campaign in the matter described. Surely during the campaign, Hillary abandoned the fly over counties while Trump paid attention to them.
 
Doc91478 said:
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I agree for the most part of your Op-Ed. Certainly both candidates performed in the campaign in the matter described. Surely during the campaign, Hillary abandoned the fly over counties while Trump paid attention to them.
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Hillary caused her own defeat by her lack of motivation. I will forever wonder why someone would run for the presidency if that someone lacks the fire in the belly to to what it takes to win.
 
Mongidig said:
I'm sure you all thought the "I like to grab them by the *****" comment was gonna be absolutely damning. Not so much. From what I have read, this report is pretty darn good news for the President...No collusion and no obstruction! We should all be happy! Come watch Fox news with us and be happy!
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Watch Fox News? No thanks, I dont need the MSM to tell me whats in the report. I read it myself, you should do the same. As I have been saying for 18 months that Obstruction would get Trump, probably not by impeachment but in the voting booth.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
I have no idea what you are talking about.

The Mueller report is absolutely damning to Trump and his campaign/administration. Anyone who claims anything other than our President is incredibly corrupt is lying or ignorant.
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Alright. Cite from the report where it's said that the president colluded with Russia.

I'll wait.
 
Oborosen said:
Alright. Cite from the report where it's said that the president colluded with Russia.

I'll wait.
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Start on page 5, end on page 7. :shrug:

Or for a more brief summary of how the campaign colluded:

Mueller Report said:
Third, the investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference. The Office charged some of those lies as violations of the federal false-statements statute. Former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying about his interactions with Russian Ambassador Kislyak during the transition period. George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy advisor during the campaign period, pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about, inter alia, the nature and timing of his interactions with Joseph Mifsud, the professor who told Papadopoulos that the Russians had dirt on candidate Clinton in the form of thousands of emails. Former Trump Organization attorney Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to making false statements to Congress about the Trump Moscow project. And in February 2019, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia found that Manafort lied to the Office and the grand jury concerning his interactions and communications with Konstantin Kilimnik about Trump Campaign polling data and a peace plan for Ukraine.
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So now that I have cited from the Mueller Report how the Trump campaign colluded, you will agree it is true and from here on out, agree the campaign colluded?
 
yankintx said:
Whats even more ironic, the Righties who howled that the Justice Dept cant indict a stiting President, but want there cake and eat it with Barrs assesment. Sorry, it dont work like that, the only one who can clear Trump of the obstruction charges is the House, they have sole responsibility. Do I think the House will draw up articles of impeachment, probably not. The Dems should beat Trump over the head with the Obstruction all the way to Nov 2020. Cajoling your staff to lie to Federal Investigators will not sit well with Indies. I believe most will value integrity over Conservative judge appointments.
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i think that is the democrats playbook also

but imo, it will fail if the economy stays good

people care about their pocketbook, their job, their home, and their families

yeah...other stuff is important too, but to a lesser degree

if Pelosi and the dems think they can use the obstruction all the way to Nov 2020, okay i guess we will see

something tells me that is a losing proposition, but ok
 
Slyfox696 said:
Start on page 5, end on page 7. :shrug:

Or for a more brief summary of how the campaign colluded:



So now that I have cited from the Mueller Report how the Trump campaign colluded, you will agree it is true and from here on out, agree the campaign colluded?
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Strange seeing as even the report itself stated that it couldn't prove collusion. I don't see why you think showing this would prove any different.
 
Oborosen said:
Strange seeing as even the report itself stated that it couldn't prove collusion.
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The report did not say that. You are making that up. The report said it could not "establish" conspiracy with the IRA or GRU, which is a COMPLETELY different discussion (on many levels).

Is it that you don't know what you are talking about or is it that you just aren't going to be honest about it?

I don't see why you think showing this would prove any different.
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You don't see how Mueller explicitly stated pieces of collusion demonstrates collusion? You must be a Trump defender then, because only they have such trouble with logic.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
The report did not say that. You are making that up. The report said it could not "establish" conspiracy with the IRA or GRU, which is a COMPLETELY different discussion (on many levels).

Is it that you don't know what you are talking about or is it that you just aren't going to be honest about it?

You don't see how Mueller explicitly stated pieces of collusion demonstrates collusion? You must be a Trump defender then, because only they have such trouble with logic.
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Then show me where Muller's report states that collusion was proven and that Trump is guilty of such.

Because at this moment all you have are phantoms. The same kind of thing that those on the left leaning media are desperately stabbing at to prove themselves correct. While the rest of the US has read the report, understood what has been found, discussed and ultimately happened to reach this conclusion and found that a charge of collusion was not reached.

Just like the obstruction claims that people are continually attempting to toss out. They are a phantom, nothing more.
 
Oborosen said:
Then show me where Muller's report states that collusion was proven
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I already did. Did you not read the response to the question you asked the first time?

Seriously, is this the route you're going to take, to ask questions and then pretend not to read the responses? Because I'd be lying if I said I did not have time for such dishonesty, but I'm not sure I want to waste my time with it.
 
PoppyCock said:
OBAMA: There is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even — you could even rig America’s elections, in part because they’re so decentralized and the numbers of votes involved. There’s no evidence that has has happened in the past or that there are instances in which that will happen this time.
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Warren agrees that 2016 Democratic primary was rigged for Clinton
Warren agrees that 2016 Democratic primary was rigged for Clinton | TheHill
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) said Thursday she believes the 2016 Democratic presidential primary was rigged for Hillary Clinton.
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How Hillary Clinton Rigged The Democratic Primary — And May Have Broken The Law
How Hillary Clinton Rigged The Democratic Primary — And May Have Broken The Law | Investor's Business Daily
How Hillary Clinton Rigged The Democratic Primary — And May Have Broken The Law. Election 2016: Donna Brazile's stunning admission that last year's Democratic primary was "rigged" in favor of Hillary Clinton and against Sen. Bernie Sanders is actually good …
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Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC
Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC - POLITICO Magazine
When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign.... Obama’s campaign was not scheduled to pay it off until 2016. Hillary for America (the campaign) and the Hillary Victory Fund (its joint fundraising vehicle with the DNC) had taken care of 80 percent of the remaining debt in 2016, about $10 million, and had placed the party on an allowance.



Obviously you agree with Bath House Barry that the rigging of the Democratic Party is impossible in this day and age. It appears that Hillary Clinton was the exception to Barry's statement.
 
PoppyCock said:
OBAMA: There is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even — you could even rig America’s elections, in part because they’re so decentralized and the numbers of votes involved. There’s no evidence that has has happened in the past or that there are instances in which that will happen this time.
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I agree with President Obama. Why don't the democrats?
 
Doc91478 said:
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Warren agrees that 2016 Democratic primary was rigged for Clinton
Warren agrees that 2016 Democratic primary was rigged for Clinton | TheHill
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) said Thursday she believes the 2016 Democratic presidential primary was rigged for Hillary Clinton.
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How Hillary Clinton Rigged The Democratic Primary — And May Have Broken The Law
How Hillary Clinton Rigged The Democratic Primary — And May Have Broken The Law | Investor's Business Daily
How Hillary Clinton Rigged The Democratic Primary — And May Have Broken The Law. Election 2016: Donna Brazile's stunning admission that last year's Democratic primary was "rigged" in favor of Hillary Clinton and against Sen. Bernie Sanders is actually good …
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Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC
Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC - POLITICO Magazine
When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign.... Obama’s campaign was not scheduled to pay it off until 2016. Hillary for America (the campaign) and the Hillary Victory Fund (its joint fundraising vehicle with the DNC) had taken care of 80 percent of the remaining debt in 2016, about $10 million, and had placed the party on an allowance.



Obviously you agree with Bath House Barry that the rigging of the Democratic Party is impossible in this day and age. It appears that Hillary Clinton was the exception to Barry's statement.
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I can agree with the Kenyan on a few fingers, over 8 years. I guess you missed my reference to the "Russian collusion" hoax. Of course he said that in response to Trumps statements of rigged elections, never dreaming the bitch might lose. There is REAL collusion and Bernie rolled over like a good bitch.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I already did. Did you not read the response to the question you asked the first time?

Seriously, is this the route you're going to take, to ask questions and then pretend not to read the responses? Because I'd be lying if I said I did not have time for such dishonesty, but I'm not sure I want to waste my time with it.
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So no, collusion is not proven.

Thanks.
 
Oborosen said:
So no, collusion is not proven.
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I already directly quoted you where it was in the Mueller Report. Why not be honest about it? Why all the posting of lies?

Why is it one cannot be a Trump defender AND honest at the same time?
 
PoppyCock said:
I can agree with the Kenyan on a few fingers, over 8 years. I guess you missed my reference to the "Russian collusion" hoax. Of course he said that in response to Trumps statements of rigged elections, never dreaming the bitch might lose. There is REAL collusion and Bernie rolled over like a good bitch.
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Does anyone know the alias/pseudonym that Obama used to communicate with Hillary on her home brewed Sever?


Obama used a pseudonym in emails with Clinton, FBI documents reveal
Obama used a pseudonym in emails with Clinton, FBI documents reveal - POLITICO
President Barack Obama used a pseudonym in email communications with Hillary Clinton and others, according to FBI records made public Friday. The disclosure came as the FBI released its second batch of documents from its investigation into Clinton’s private email server during her … It's been known since last year that Obama and Clinton corresponded occasionally via her private account, but the White House has insisted Obama did not know she relied on it routinely and exclusively for official business. Author: Josh Gerstein
 
Slyfox696 said:
I already directly quoted you where it was in the Mueller Report. Why not be honest about it? Why all the posting of lies?

Why is it one cannot be a Trump defender AND honest at the same time?
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Once again, no you have not. You're currently pointing at phantoms that still don't prove collusion. You're showing that someone said, or did something that doesn't equate to collusion and claiming that it does. Simply for the merit of reading between invisible lines.

We've had enough of the media doing this for over a week now and it really isn't any different when you choose to do so.

Does what you linked show that these men did anything to benefit Russia's attempts to effect the election, or does it just say that person A was within proximity to entity B and that's it?
 
Oborosen said:
Once again, no you have not.
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I literally did. Why would you post lies about it?

You're showing that someone said, or did something that doesn't equate to collusion and claiming that it does.
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Good argument. It's like when I go to McDonalds, give them green paper and they give me a hamburger, there's simply no way to tell that we agreed on a deal.

Wow, Trump defenders are the worst liars.

I literally quoted the Mueller Report which listed the numerous ways the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. Just because you don't want to read the report does not make the information contained within any less damning.

Simply for the merit of reading between invisible lines.
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When Trump Jr. is emailed and told Russia has illegally obtained info the Russian government wants to give the Trump campaign, as part of the Russian government support for the campaign, then that is not an "invisible line".

God, Trump defenders are the worst liars.

Does what you linked show that these men did anything to benefit Russia's attempts to effect the election
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Yes. So you obviously didn't read what I wrote.

Why would you ask a question and then refuse to read the answer?

or does it just say that person A was within proximity to entity B and that's it?
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Try reading it so you don't ask stupid questions.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I literally did. Why would you post lies about it?

:lamo


Good argument. It's like when I go to McDonalds, give them green paper and they give me a hamburger, there's simply no way to tell that we agreed on a deal.

Wow, Trump defenders are the worst liars.

I literally quoted the Mueller Report which listed the numerous ways the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. Just because you don't want to read the report does not make the information contained within any less damning.

When Trump Jr. is emailed and told Russia has illegally obtained info the Russian government wants to give the Trump campaign, as part of the Russian government support for the campaign, then that is not an "invisible line".

God, Trump defenders are the worst liars.

Yes. So you obviously didn't read what I wrote.

Why would you ask a question and then refuse to read the answer?

Try reading it so you don't ask stupid questions.
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Try supplying what I am asking for in he first place. Instead of your thinly veiled interpretations of what you think it is.

Because as of now. There is no evidence that supports what you're currently trying to push.
 
Mongidig said:
I'm sure you all thought the "I like to grab them by the *****" comment was gonna be absolutely damning. Not so much. From what I have read, this report is pretty darn good news for the President...No collusion and no obstruction! We should all be happy! Come watch Fox news with us and be happy!
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Your comprehension skills need sharpening. If you read the report and came away with this conclusion then I would sue your teachers, they obviously never made you write book reports.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I literally did. Why would you post lies about it?

:lamo


Good argument. It's like when I go to McDonalds, give them green paper and they give me a hamburger, there's simply no way to tell that we agreed on a deal.

Wow, Trump defenders are the worst liars.

I literally quoted the Mueller Report which listed the numerous ways the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. Just because you don't want to read the report does not make the information contained within any less damning.

When Trump Jr. is emailed and told Russia has illegally obtained info the Russian government wants to give the Trump campaign, as part of the Russian government support for the campaign, then that is not an "invisible line".

God, Trump defenders are the worst liars.

Yes. So you obviously didn't read what I wrote.

Why would you ask a question and then refuse to read the answer?

Try reading it so you don't ask stupid questions.
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Please cite your sources of information..... Using your opinion as fact means nothing....
 
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