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A New Low in Dirty Politics

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A New Low in Dirty Politics​

https://townhall.com/columnists/terrypaulson/2018/10/01/a-new-low-in-dirty-politics-n2523537
The presumption of innocence is one of the things that makes America’s legal system special. An accusation should never be enough to determining guilt. You need evidence—dates, times, and places. You need witnesses who corroborate. In Judge Brett Kavanaugh’s opening statements in last Thursday’s “hearing” says it all, “You have replaced advise and consent with search and destroy.”…. The Democrats, in an effort to defeat or at least delay the appointment of Brett Kavanaugh, have degraded politics to a new low by bringing unsubstantiated claims of sexual abuse in an eleventh-hour attempt to destroy his reputation and delay his confirmation. More and more Americans are seeing this for what it is—an embarrassing travesty. The Democrats are counting on this to lead to majorities in the mid-terms, but for more and more Americans the dirt is sticking on those throwing it. Responsible, fair Americans are enraged by this charade. Thankfully, even some long-term Democrats are embarrassed by this circus..... It is time to hold the vote and confirm this judge. The left will scream and complain whether you hold the vote or not. The Democrat’s mission is clear—resist everything, delay whatever they can, and work to impeach Donald Trump as soon as they can.



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The sad part about all this is that EVERYONE KNOWS that the whole point of the allegation(s), and more importantly it’s timing, is blatantly politically driven. It is the Progressive Marxist Socialist's (DSA) blind ideological hatred of anyone who holds a different view, idea of opinion. So much for tolerance and civility. These are the same folks who have shamelessly defended Bubba’s perjury and he got to stay on as President. Desperate Deep State Democrat demagogues dread losing that political power that they so greedily grasp. One might even call them, "Bitter Cling On's."
This is indeed a new low in American politics created by the Progressive Marxist Socialist Democrats. The only rational response is to rally around the President who appointed Judge Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, and sweep as many of the miscreants supporting this travesty from office in November of this year.
 
This whole episode, politically motivated as it is, simply doesn't compare to the GOP not permitting a vote for several months on Garland, effectively stealing that seat from Obama.
 
This is a job interview, not a criminal case.

It's also a fake, if republicans had any interest in doing this the right way, they'd have never nominated Kavanaugh.

It's an obscenity.
 
Doc91478 said:
A New Low in Dirty Politics​

https://townhall.com/columnists/terrypaulson/2018/10/01/a-new-low-in-dirty-politics-n2523537
The presumption of innocence is one of the things that makes America’s legal system special. An accusation should never be enough to determining guilt. You need evidence—dates, times, and places. You need witnesses who corroborate. In Judge Brett Kavanaugh’s opening statements in last Thursday’s “hearing” says it all, “You have replaced advise and consent with search and destroy.”…. The Democrats, in an effort to defeat or at least delay the appointment of Brett Kavanaugh, have degraded politics to a new low by bringing unsubstantiated claims of sexual abuse in an eleventh-hour attempt to destroy his reputation and delay his confirmation. More and more Americans are seeing this for what it is—an embarrassing travesty. The Democrats are counting on this to lead to majorities in the mid-terms, but for more and more Americans the dirt is sticking on those throwing it. Responsible, fair Americans are enraged by this charade. Thankfully, even some long-term Democrats are embarrassed by this circus..... It is time to hold the vote and confirm this judge. The left will scream and complain whether you hold the vote or not. The Democrat’s mission is clear—resist everything, delay whatever they can, and work to impeach Donald Trump as soon as they can.



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The sad part about all this is that EVERYONE KNOWS that the whole point of the allegation(s), and more importantly it’s timing, is blatantly politically driven. It is the Progressive Marxist Socialist's (DSA) blind ideological hatred of anyone who holds a different view, idea of opinion. So much for tolerance and civility. These are the same folks who have shamelessly defended Bubba’s perjury and he got to stay on as President. Desperate Deep State Democrat demagogues dread losing that political power that they so greedily grasp. One might even call them, "Bitter Cling On's."
This is indeed a new low in American politics created by the Progressive Marxist Socialist Democrats. The only rational response is to rally around the President who appointed Judge Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, and sweep as many of the miscreants supporting this travesty from office in November of this year.
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So if I'm voting in an election and one of the candidates is being investigated and accused of a crime, I can't let that accusation and investigation be part of my judgement while voting or else I've completely disregarded the idea of innocent until proven guilty?

What a load of crap.
 
WillyPete said:
This whole episode, politically motivated as it is, simply doesn't compare to the GOP not permitting a vote for several months on Garland, effectively stealing that seat from Obama.
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WHERE WERE YOU WHEN

Democrats refused to allow two men-both of whom had more than enough votes to be confirmed-to get hearings?

Democrats stalled Kavanaugh's appointment for three years-again, when he had enough votes to get confirmed.
 
late said:
This is a job interview, not a criminal case.

It's also a fake, if republicans had any interest in doing this the right way, they'd have never nominated Kavanaugh.

It's an obscenity.
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More nonsense-he has top credentials. that he upsets the gay rights extremists and the abortion is the most important constitutional right crowd matters not
 
TurtleDude said:
WHERE WERE YOU WHEN

Democrats refused to allow two men-both of whom had more than enough votes to be confirmed-to get hearings?

Democrats stalled Kavanaugh's appointment for three years-again, when he had enough votes to get confirmed.
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Seems like we agree that this latest round isn't anything like a new low, anyhow.
 
TurtleDude said:
WHERE WERE YOU WHEN

Democrats refused to allow two men-both of whom had more than enough votes to be confirmed-to get hearings?

Democrats stalled Kavanaugh's appointment for three years-again, when he had enough votes to get confirmed.
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Hmm? Was this a SCOTUS Seat?
 
TurtleDude said:
More nonsense-he has top credentials. that he upsets the gay rights extremists and the abortion is the most important constitutional right crowd matters not
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His only credential is that he believes the President is above the law. That's why Trump selected him for the Federalist Society list. He's his ace in the impeachment hole. His emotional incontimence and perjury should disqualify him from his present post, let alone to soil a SC seat.
 
WillyPete said:
This whole episode, politically motivated as it is, simply doesn't compare to the GOP not permitting a vote for several months on Garland, effectively stealing that seat from Obama.
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I don't recall Garland's reputation being slandered in the process do you? If you think that simply not getting a hearing is equivalent to having your reputation destroyed and labeled as a sexual deviant then you should reevaluate what you consider right and wrong.
 
late said:
This is a job interview, not a criminal case.

It's also a fake, if republicans had any interest in doing this the right way, they'd have never nominated Kavanaugh.

It's an obscenity.
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It is not a job interview, it is a government proceeding. But even if not, clearly the Democratic Party now openly opposes the presumption of innocence, which is a recognized universal human right in all situations involving government and ethically in any situation.

The Democratic Party also now is demanding also guilt by association.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I don't recall Garland's reputation being slandered in the process do you? If you think that simply not getting a hearing is equivalent to having your reputation destroyed and labeled as a sexual deviant then you should reevaluate what you consider right and wrong.
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I seem to recall the Republicans declaring Clinton a rapist based on the word of two accusers (one who was found to be not credible by a jury) that had no evidence to support their claims, then using it to help push an impeachment trail nobody wanted.

And altar boy Kavanaugh was on those front lines pushing this narrative - as the well the conspiracy theories surrounding Fosters suicide.

You reap what you sow.
 
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MovingPictures said:
I seem to recall the Republicans declaring Clinton a rapist based on the word of two accusers (one who was found to be not credible by a jury) that had no evidence to support their claims, then using it to help push an impeachment trail nobody wanted.

And altar boy Kavanaugh was on those front lines pushing this narrative - as the well the conspiracy theories surrounding Fosters suicide.

You reap what you sow.
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But clearly you agree Clinton was a rapist, don't you? It meets your standard of the accusation establishes the guilt. In addition, Hilary Clinton also is a rapist in Democrats new guilt by association.
 
joko104 said:
It is not a job interview, it is a government proceeding. But even if not, clearly the Democratic Party now openly opposes the presumption of innocence, which is a recognized universal human right in all situations involving government and ethically in any situation.

The Democratic Party also now is demanding also guilt by association.
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He's just not the right man to tell women not to have an abortion.
 
WillyPete said:
This whole episode, politically motivated as it is, simply doesn't compare to the GOP not permitting a vote for several months on Garland, effectively stealing that seat from Obama.
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Exactly. And then invoking the nuclear option for SCOTUS nominations. In 2017, McConnell proposed and had the legislation changed for the 'nuclear option.' Originally that legislations specifically called out and excluded use for SCOTUS nominations. The Republicans voted it back in so that the Dems had zero chance of affecting the nominees.

It was a deliberate way to get around the form and intent of the nominations process. Done in poor faith and it wasnt legal until they literally changed a law to make it legal for themselves. They went low...very low.

And when you give your opponents no options, when their backs are to the wall, then they also have to get down and dirty. Cant beat them legally (well, Republicans changed a law that intentionally destroyed the process)? Then beat them anyway you can.

I am not justifying anyone coming forward if they have false allegations. But I can understand why some would. If you see your country in danger, or the Constitution, some could see it as their patriotic duty.
 
MovingPictures said:
I seem to recall the Republicans declaring Clinton a rapist based on the word of two accusers (one who was found to be not credible by a jury) that had no evidence to support their claims, then using it to help push an impeachment trail nobody wanted.

And altar boy Kavanaugh was on those front lines pushing this narrative - as the well the conspiracy theories surrounding Fosters suicide.

You reap what you sow.
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Calling for the impeachment of a President over bogus, or real depending on your POV, claims has been happening consistently since Reagan.

Reagan: Rep. Henry B. Gonzalez introduced articles of impeachment over the Iran Contra Affair.

George H.W. Bush: Again Rep. Henry B. Gonzalez introduced articles of impeachment over starting the Gulf War.

Bill Clinton: We all know what happened with him. At least over Monica. Before that an impeachment call was made over obstruction of justice of impeding investigations into the Clintons campaign fundraising from foreign sources.

George W. Bush: Dennis Kucinich and Robert Wexler introduced 35 articles of impeachment.

Barack Obama: Walter Jones introduced articles of impeachment over Obama's use of drones over Afghanistan and Pakistan. Tried again later on citing that Obama had not done his duty and abuse of power.

Trump: Well..we know how that is going don't we?

Plain fact of the matter is that such is expected now a days against Presidents. Has been for a long time now. In that same time frame what SCOTUS nominee's have been accused of being a sexual deviant? Were they Republican or Democrat or both? Who did the accusing each time? IE: Were they democrat accusers or republican accusers? Both?

All you're doing is shifting the goals and comparing apples to oranges.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I don't recall Garland's reputation being slandered in the process do you? If you think that simply not getting a hearing is equivalent to having your reputation destroyed and labeled as a sexual deviant then you should reevaluate what you consider right and wrong.
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Well, then, it's a gosh darned good thing that Kavanaugh's reputation could be confirmed by a full, complete and unimpeded FBI investigation. It must be fun to have to pretend to oneself that his reputation has been 'destroyed' (just like his family!) when there's an obvious remedy. Yay!

Funny how Gorsuch sailed through this whole process with no issues about sexual battery and lying under oath.
 
joko104 said:
It is not a job interview, it is a government proceeding. But even if not, clearly the Democratic Party now openly opposes the presumption of innocence, which is a recognized universal human right in all situations involving government and ethically in any situation.

The Democratic Party also now is demanding also guilt by association.
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Yes, it's a job interview.

That you don't understand or accept that is neato to watch.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I don't recall Garland's reputation being slandered in the process do you? If you think that simply not getting a hearing is equivalent to having your reputation destroyed and labeled as a sexual deviant then you should reevaluate what you consider right and wrong.
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Please. Cavanaugh is a big boy. He knows perfectly well how ugly things get.

And if they hadn't chosen to simply ignore their responsibilities, I have no doubt they'd have gotten as nasty as they possibly could with Garland.

But then of course Garland would now be on the SCOTUS, just like Cavanaugh will be at the end of this process (unless some of that mud sticks.)
 
WillyPete said:
Please. Cavanaugh is a big boy. He knows perfectly well how ugly things get.

And if they hadn't chosen to simply ignore their responsibilities, I have no doubt they'd have gotten as nasty as they possibly could with Garland.

But then of course Garland would now be on the SCOTUS, just like Cavanaugh will be at the end of this process (unless some of that mud sticks.)
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Please name me a time when Republican's resorted to making claims of sexual deviancy against a SCOTUS nominee.

And its "Kavanaugh". Not "Cavanaugh". If you're going to convict a man in your mind of sexual deviancy at least have enough respect to get the mans name right.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Well, then, it's a gosh darned good thing that Kavanaugh's reputation could be confirmed by a full, complete and unimpeded FBI investigation. It must be fun to have to pretend to oneself that his reputation has been 'destroyed' (just like his family!) when there's an obvious remedy. Yay!
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Considering the FBI investigation isn't going to draw an conclusions, as always (with the exception of Hillary), you're awfully optimistic of this investigation. I wonder how you'll react if the investigation doesn't say what you want it to say...guess we'll find out next week huh?

Tanngrisnir said:
Funny how Gorsuch sailed through this whole process with no issues about sexual battery and lying under oath.
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Probably because Democrats were still in shock of Hillary losing.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Please name me a time when Republican's resorted to making claims of sexual deviancy against a SCOTUS nominee.

And its "Kavanaugh". Not "Cavanaugh". If you're going to convict a man in your mind of sexual deviancy at least have enough respect to get the mans name right.
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Kalvinawh himself was instrumental in the Clinton impeachment, though I see how that doesn't fit your cleverly re-positioned goal posts.

And I haven't convicted him of anything, whatever mind-reading skills you may claim.
 
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