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Of Course There Is Such a Thing as a ‘Perjury Trap’

Helix said:
why can't trump tell the truth? easy enough.
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Why couldn't Obama tell the truth either? Obama's transparent administration was much, much more secretive than any other administration before him. He lied continuously to the American people. Remember his promise of "Shovel Ready Jobs" was just one of his many lies to the people that elected him.... Even he admitted it was a lie. How about, "If you want to keep your Doctor you can keep your Doctor", or "Obamacare won't cost one more Dime Period."
 
Doc91478 said:
Why couldn't Obama tell the truth either? Obama's transparent administration was much, much more secretive than any other administration before him. He lied continuously to the American people. Remember his promise of "Shovel Ready Jobs" was just one of his many lies to the people that elected him.... Even he admitted it was a lie. How about, "If you want to keep your Doctor you can keep your Doctor", or "Obamacare won't cost one more Dime Period."
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Trump can tell the truth. he should do that.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
If you'd look, you'd see that perjury requires dishonesty about a material fact.
That rules out the scenario that gives you the willies



If only there were some sort of protection against incriminating oneself one could use in instead of lying.
If only.

and, fwiw, entrapment, legally speaking, maybe quite different from how you describe it here.
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There is. Refuse to answer any and all questions by invoking the Fourth and Fifth Amendments to our Constitution.....
 
Howard the Duck said:
If it's a perjury trap then it's a perjury trap of Trump's own design.
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At this point, #45’s lawyers aren’t even sure if he even knows what the truth is, let alone can speak it.

I’m just seeing people trying to rationalize the completely irrational.
 
Helix said:
there's a solution that i can recommend.

tell the truth.
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"I do not recall." Ronald Reagan - many times. Trump seems to stupid to do that or plead the 5th.
 
Doc91478 said:
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There is. Refuse to answer any and all questions by invoking the Fourth and Fifth Amendments to our Constitution.....
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It seems the sorta famous 5th amendment entirely defeats your perjury trap.

Not much of a trap then is it?

Surely stable genius could figure out to take the fifth, yes?

So, no need to worry about your perjury trap.
That's a load off, right?
 
Doc91478 said:
Of Course There Is Such a Thing as a 'Perjury Trap ...
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/08/11/of_course_there_is...
Aug 11, 2018 · And it’s a legitimate reason for President Trump to decline to be interviewed.
Studies will someday be done on the deleterious effect Donald Trump has had on the brains of people who loathe him. It drives them to say things that are as palpably foolish as some of the president’s own doozies. This week’s winner: There is no such thing as a “perjury trap.”


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I have lived through presidents from FDR to DJT. This is the first president in my lifetime that has done, or has attempted to do, exactly what he ran on.
Those things he has not accomplished he has been willing to go into the courts and make very public fights for. I may not fully agree on all the things he is doing, or attempting, but I do admire the effort, and it is refreshing. That, in itself may be truth enough for me. Allan Dershowitz no friend of Donald Trump is quite clear that if Trump is interviewed, he’ll be walking in to a “Perjury Trap”.
Meanwhile, the "Deep State" of both sides are fighting against this Constitutionally Elected President Of The People.
The truth lies in the files and memos that Rosenstein and Wray are refusing to release claiming National Security reasons. It's incumbent upon Pres. Trump to declassify the documents the DoJ and the FBI have been slow walking.
If forced to be questioned by Mueller, Pres. Trump should invoke his constitutional rights and presidential privileges rather than answer any questions.
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His lawyer has claimed that the DOJ can't indict the president. He's off limits. So why would they give a **** if he commits perjury? If he tells the truth (laughable idea in and of it's self) and they accuse him of lying he can tell them to sniff his nuts. The only reason he won't testify is because he is a chicken **** little coward and because he's a lying idiot. Everyone knows damn well that he told Comey to take it easy on Flynn. Even his supporters know that when he denies it he's lying. Everyone knows that he knew full well about Trump tower meeting before and after, even his supporters know he's lying like a little bitch about it. Period.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
It seems the sorta famous 5th amendment entirely defeats your perjury trap.

Not much of a trap then is it?

Surely stable genius could figure out to take the fifth, yes?

So, no need to worry about your perjury trap.
That's a load off, right?
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As I said before if Trump hiccups during the questioning he will be charged with perjury and obstruction of Justice no matter how many times he invokes the fourth and fifth amendments.
 
Doc91478 said:
Meanwhile, the "Deep State" of both sides are fighting against this Constitutionally Elected President Of The People.
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I like how you have to say "Constitutionally" elected President of the People, but not Democratically elected or Majority elected. How can a president be of the people when the majority never wanted him, and even fewer still do?

Since you like to use the word constitution, may I remind you that our government has a system of checks and balances to specifically prevent one election or one man from doing too much harm to minorities that didn't vote for them? If our Constitution needs to protect minorities from being trampled upon by majorities, then it should most definitely prevent majorities from being trampled by minorities. The Deep State isn't destroying Donald Trump. Our constitution is working exactly hows it's supposed to and protecting us from him.
 
MrWonka said:
I like how you have to say "Constitutionally" elected President of the People, but not Democratically elected or Majority elected. How can a president be of the people when the majority never wanted him, and even fewer still do?

Since you like to use the word constitution, may I remind you that our government has a system of checks and balances to specifically prevent one election or one man from doing too much harm to minorities that didn't vote for them? If our Constitution needs to protect minorities from being trampled upon by majorities, then it should most definitely prevent majorities from being trampled by minorities. The Deep State isn't destroying Donald Trump. Our constitution is working exactly hows it's supposed to and protecting us from him.
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I can't believe that as many times this has been said, people like you still believe the majority matters.

IT DOES NOT!

Had the laws been that the president won office by popularity, you can be damn sure the tactics of campaigning would have need different. The right leaning citizens of California would have been rallied and understood the importance of voting instead of staying home. As it was, there were little voting districts in California that had any concern for the right.

I'm simply amazed that such monumental ignorance continues, to think that the results would be different.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Had the laws been that the president won office by popularity, you can be damn sure the tactics of campaigning would have need different.
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So you're saying Trump would have told a different set of lies in order to win the popular vote? I thought you liked this guy because he told it like it is?

Lord of Planar said:
I'm simply amazed that such monumental ignorance continues, to think that the results would be different.
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Really? You seriously just think Trump wins every game he plays all the time no matter what the rules are huh? If Trump was trying to win the Majority of votes how can you even be sure that what he would have said or done differently would have made you vote for him? If Trump didn't care about the popular vote why was he bitching so much claiming that voter fraud caused his popular vote loss? It sure seems to me like he was trying to win the Majority.
 
Doc91478 said:
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Sounds to me like a pragmatic individual that is vehemently opposed by the Progressive Marxist Socialist Left including their Fifth Columnist media.
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So I list some of the pragmatic leaders' flaws and you go all conspiracy crazy. Of course you have proof that opponents of Trump, like George Will, Jeb Bush, the never Trumpers in the GOP etc., are Marxists.

What's pragmatic about suggesting that the military commit war crimes or lying about refugees?
 
MrWonka said:
So you're saying Trump would have told a different set of lies in order to win the popular vote? I thought you liked this guy because he told it like it is?
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When did you stop beating your wife?
 
Doc91478 said:
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As I said before if Trump hiccups during the questioning he will be charged with perjury and obstruction of Justice no matter how many times he invokes the fourth and fifth amendments.
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If you'd look, you'd see that perjury requires dishonesty about a material fact.
That rules out the scenario that gives you the willies
 
MrWonka said:
I like how you have to say "Constitutionally" elected President of the People, but not Democratically elected or Majority elected. How can a president be of the people when the majority never wanted him, and even fewer still do?

Since you like to use the word constitution, may I remind you that our government has a system of checks and balances to specifically prevent one election or one man from doing too much harm to minorities that didn't vote for them? If our Constitution needs to protect minorities from being trampled upon by majorities, then it should most definitely prevent majorities from being trampled by minorities. The Deep State isn't destroying Donald Trump. Our constitution is working exactly hows it's supposed to and protecting us from him.
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Strangely, we are not a Democracy. The last time I looked America was created a Republic. Certainly our Constitution was created to have checks and balances not specifically to prevent any one man to dominate the government. What minorities are you referring to? Are you writing about the White, Black, Brown, or Asian minorities? Seems our economy is lifting each just as a rising tide lifts all boats. So you must agree that the Blue state majorities were overridden by our Constitutional election laws. It's not our Constitution as you claim, but under handed Political chicanery bordering on Sedition and treason that is interfering in the laws of Congress and the presidency.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
If you'd look, you'd see that perjury requires dishonesty about a material fact.
That rules out the scenario that gives you the willies
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Correct! You win a cigar. The law must be for all to follow. Therefore, the machinations and views of people like Lynch, Ohr, Mueller, Comey, McCabe, Priestap, Strzok, Baker have not been dishonest and in some cases perjurous before Congress doesn't give you the willies?
 
Doc91478 said:
Question: "When did you stop beating your wife?" Just a rhetorical question. It's not meant to question you. However, any way one answers that question they're dead in the water.
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"Ive never beat my wife"

If the president is so stupid that he cant answer questions like that then he shouldnt be president.

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Doc91478 said:
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All Trump has to do is give a wrong time or date in an answer and perjury charges can be claimed. That is exactly what happened to General Flynn. There is a reason why Mueller hasn't gone further with the Flynn trial. Mueller has postponed conviction twice. He's trying to get his son along with Flynn senior, even though Flynn has pleaded guilty.

Robert Mueller Requests Another Delay in Flynn Sentencing…
https://theconservativetreehouse.co...r-requests-another-delay-in-flynn-sentencing/
May 1, 2018 - Special Counsel Robert Mueller has requested another delay in the sentencing of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, citing the status of the special counsel’s investigation.
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He has postponed that trial because flynn is a cooperating witness. Its standard operating procedure. You seem to have a very loose association with the facts.

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