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Shamed FBI reopens the case against Hillary Clinton...

ttwtt78640 said:
What we also know is that foreign nationals were paid to do "opposition research" to be used in affecting the 2016 POTUS election outcome. The fact that both sides (political parties?) did this further complicates matters - just how much of that was legally too much is a very important issue.

What some folks seem to be getting upset about is pointing out that "collusion" is a very broad spectrum which may (or may not) include the "smoke" of two entities pursuing a common goal. It seems clear to me that the DNC (via its legal team) did, in fact, use foreign agents (some in Russia) to supply "opposition research" yet many want that ignored while, at the same time, point to Trump (et al) meeting to accept similar help (some from Russians) as being "clearly criminal".
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The primary problem I see right now is that there's not a clear and coherent definition of what would or would not be legal in soliciting assistance or accepting unsolicited assistance from foreign nationals regarding political campaign activities for a federal office.

It's clearly illegal to accept money, and that may be the tipping point here - what assistance, if any, was received by a federal level campaign from a foreign source that can be defined as a "donation-in-kind" due to it having a monetary value? Kind of like how the feds use IRS Tax Law to convict gangsters of felonies for not paying taxes on illicit income. If the act of getting assistance isn't illegal, maybe they can demonstrate how that assistance may have had a monetary value that makes it an illegal foreign campaign contribution.

Who knows how this will all turn out. One thing is for sure, IMHO, no political party nor politician nor staffer is immune at this point. The Democratic Party, the GOP, et al, are potential targets of federal prosecution.
 
Beaudreaux said:
The primary problem I see right now is that there's not a clear and coherent definition of what would or would not be legal in soliciting assistance or accepting unsolicited assistance from foreign nationals regarding political campaign activities for a federal office.

It's clearly illegal to accept money, and that may be the tipping point here - what assistance, if any, was received by a federal level campaign from a foreign source that can be defined as a "donation-in-kind" due to it having a monetary value? Kind of like how the feds use IRS Tax Law to convict gangsters of felonies for not paying taxes on illicit income. If the act of getting assistance isn't illegal, maybe they can demonstrate how that assistance may have had a monetary value that makes it an illegal foreign campaign contribution.

Who knows how this will all turn out. One thing is for sure, IMHO, no political party nor politician nor staffer is immune at this point. The Democratic Party, the GOP, et al, are potential targets of federal prosecution.
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That is further complicated when a trade is involved. If the DNC or RNC trades money for (buys) foreign "opposition research" does that really constitute accepting a foreign donation?
 
MTAtech said:
The basic outlines of Trump's story have long been familiar and uncontroversial to anyone with open eyes. Trump is morally and intellectually incapable of being president. He has also exploited his office for personal gain, obstructed justice, and colluded with a hostile foreign power. He fired Comey as part of the cover-up. He believes the role of the Attorney General is to protect him from prosecution and investigation. The picture is getting clearer and clearer as time goes on. Everyone who doesn’t get their news from Fox has basically known this for a while.
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Lol ! Sounds like Mueller can just go ahead and recomend charges then.

So MSM outlet thats declared Trump guilty on all counts are credible and Fox News isnt ?

Oh, the DOJ is also looking into Obama's decsion to shut down the DEAs case into Hezbolla's drug running operation.
 
TrumpPence2020 said:
There was no collaboration between Trump and Russia. If there were, your vaunted FBI would have found it by now. After a year of multiple investigations there is not one shred of evidence. Nice try.... .....not.
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Numerous intelligence agencies say otherwise, but hey, I get it. Denial is the only way you can handle the reality that Trump’s cronies actively undermined American security.

Nothing more than another example of the anti police agenda Trump cultists have.
 
Mycroft said:
In the case of Hillary's email server, there are several new items that have come to light since July 2016.

1. We now know that Comey came to a conclusion before he started an investigation.

2. We now know that Strzok changed the wording in Comey's speech to change it away from gross negligence (criminal) to extremely careless (not criminal).

3. We now know that Huma Abedin sent State Department passwords to an unsecure Yahoo email account...that was subsequently hacked.

4. We now know that Huma Abedin sent classified information to Weiner's computer.

5. We now know that Hillary's foreign national housekeeper has access to Hillary's SCIF and all classified information therein, made hardcopies of classified information at Hillary's order...and the housekeeper had NO security clearance.

So...we have all of the previous evidence and information, NEW evidence of FBI collusion in favor of Hillary and NEW evidence of security violations.

Yeah...I'd say all of this justifies reopening the investigation. Let's just hope they can do it right this time.
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There's been so much stuff exposed in regard to the Obama Administration that shows how they compromised our security. From Clinton and her aide's handling of classified information, to the dirty deal they made with Hamas to get the Iran deal through that has in part added to our opiod crisis not to mention Hamas in South America recruiting members from mosques to enter into the U.S. illegally. I'm reading there is even a new probe that has been launched into the Uranium One deal due to the testimony of a former FBI agent who was under cover for 10 years because of the interest Russia had shown in acquiring uranium worldwide.
Then you have all the security breaches that occurred under the Obama's intelligence agencies. What a fargin mess.
 
Public service announcement: an FBI that can be politically pressured to investigate the President's political rivals is an FBI that can be politically pressured to indict the President's political rivals. This is a new, dark place we've just entered in American history. Remember that our policies, customs and laws are strongly founded in precedent.
 
Cardinal said:
Public service announcement: an FBI that can be politically pressured to investigate the President's political rivals is an FBI that can be politically pressured to indict the President's political rivals. This is a new, dark place we've just entered in American history. Remember that our policies, customs and laws are strongly founded in precedent.
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This situation is the direct result of the Obama administration and the racist Eric Holder. :2wave:

Damn Democrats and their criminal ways that need the cover of the DOJ to keep the heat off of their crimes.

This history is going to be exposed just like so many other of the DNC/Clinton crime syndicate crimes, that have already destroyed the heart of the Democratic party..

Like the movies when you kill a vampire you drive that wooden stake through the heart of the rotten mess of the Clintons and the DNC.

This could set the left back a generation or more! :mrgreen:

Damn straight.
 
TrumpPence2020 said:
I'd have to disagree with that.



Nope. I deal in facts.
You want fantasy? Keep dreaming that there was Russian collusion. That is the fantasy.
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No, you don't deal in facts. Clearly, they have you frightened to death. Totally understandable, given your admission that you have no idea how investigations work.
 
Casper said:
Being that this has already been investigated, what New information was present to warrant another investigation?
If she is guilty of something then she should be prosecuted, that goes for any politician, including trump but alas he always has the Pardon Parachute to cover his arse.
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It's the investigation of the investigations that is now underway. When you cast your verdict before the trial occurs something has probably already gone awry.

Yes Trump can pardon and Hillary can't. Elections have consequences.

After she swings from the gallows we can all chortle "at this point what difference does it make"
 
vesper said:
There's been so much stuff exposed in regard to the Obama Administration that shows how they compromised our security. From Clinton and her aide's handling of classified information, to the dirty deal they made with Hamas to get the Iran deal through that has in part added to our opiod crisis not to mention Hamas in South America recruiting members from mosques to enter into the U.S. illegally. I'm reading there is even a new probe that has been launched into the Uranium One deal due to the testimony of a former FBI agent who was under cover for 10 years because of the interest Russia had shown in acquiring uranium worldwide.
Then you have all the security breaches that occurred under the Obama's intelligence agencies. What a fargin mess.
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"So much stuff" is more than a list (run-on sentence) of topics, without context. It's clear how right-wing news has influenced your opinion. They're the only ones that think that Uranium One is still a story. For everyone else, it's a debunked story.

Meanwhile, you ignore that Russia interfered with the 2016 election and it's getting clear that Trump and his mob were complicit.
 
MTAtech said:
Meanwhile, you ignore that Russia interfered with the 2016 election and it's getting clear that Trump and his mob were complicit.
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Really. Complicit in what way?
 
Here is a synopsis of the Hillary trial:

 
SirGareth said:
It's the investigation of the investigations that is now underway. When you cast your verdict before the trial occurs something has probably already gone awry.

Yes Trump can pardon and Hillary can't. Elections have consequences.

After she swings from the gallows we can all chortle "at this point what difference does it make"
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Not exactly what was done, but I am sure you believe it was.

I was referring to a Pardon for trump by Pence or Ryan, trump cannot pardon himself. Hillary is not going to the gallows for anything related to this inquiry, just wishful thinking on your part.
 
MTAtech said:
"So much stuff" is more than a list (run-on sentence) of topics, without context. It's clear how right-wing news has influenced your opinion. They're the only ones that think that Uranium One is still a story. For everyone else, it's a debunked story.

Meanwhile, you ignore that Russia interfered with the 2016 election and it's getting clear that Trump and his mob were complicit.
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The partial and partisan DOJ under Obama swept the Clinton crime cartel under the rug with ease. No one ever figured Hilary would lose the election, so nothing to worry about..

When Trump was elected the Clintons/DNC/Democratic officials turned to the Russian story with all it's might and the left wing MSM's to try and derail any investigations of the DNC or the Clintons.

Rotten to the core Democrat leadership has pulled out all the stops, but the truth shall prevail! The tide is turning fast as the Russian collusion story is out of steam and out of traction. Bold faced lies tend to come back and haunt the tellers...

We need to jail about 20 of the Democrats who colluded with the Clintons to serve some jail time, right along with Bill and Hillary. Until we do, there will be nothing but mockery's of the law made routinely by the left wing Democratic liberals/progressives.

Time to drop the boom on these crimes, and arrest those involved.
 
Blkdirt Farmer said:
The partial and partisan DOJ under Obama swept the Clinton crime cartel under the rug with ease. No one ever figured Hilary would lose the election, so nothing to worry about..

When Trump was elected the Clintons/DNC/Democratic officials turned to the Russian story with all it's might and the left wing MSM's to try and derail any investigations of the DNC or the Clintons.

Rotten to the core Democrat leadership has pulled out all the stops, but the truth shall prevail! The tide is turning fast as the Russian collusion story is out of steam and out of traction. Bold faced lies tend to come back and haunt the tellers...

We need to jail about 20 of the Democrats who colluded with the Clintons to serve some jail time, right along with Bill and Hillary. Until we do, there will be nothing but mockery's of the law made routinely by the left wing Democratic liberals/progressives.

Time to drop the boom on these crimes, and arrest those involved.
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Funny to see old angry white men whine about President Obama and Hillary Clinton...What a snowflake
 
Blkdirt Farmer said:
The partial and partisan DOJ under Obama swept the Clinton crime cartel under the rug with ease. No one ever figured Hilary would lose the election, so nothing to worry about..

When Trump was elected the Clintons/DNC/Democratic officials turned to the Russian story with all it's might and the left wing MSM's to try and derail any investigations of the DNC or the Clintons.

Rotten to the core Democrat leadership has pulled out all the stops, but the truth shall prevail! The tide is turning fast as the Russian collusion story is out of steam and out of traction. Bold faced lies tend to come back and haunt the tellers...

We need to jail about 20 of the Democrats who colluded with the Clintons to serve some jail time, right along with Bill and Hillary. Until we do, there will be nothing but mockery's of the law made routinely by the left wing Democratic liberals/progressives.

Time to drop the boom on these crimes, and arrest those involved.
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Mega Dittos
 
MTAtech said:
"So much stuff" is more than a list (run-on sentence) of topics, without context. It's clear how right-wing news has influenced your opinion. They're the only ones that think that Uranium One is still a story. For everyone else, it's a debunked story.

Meanwhile, you ignore that Russia interfered with the 2016 election and it's getting clear that Trump and his mob were complicit.
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If it was such a debunked story why did Loretta Lynch place a gag order on the agent not allowing him to speak.
 
"Shamed FBI reopens the case against Hillary Clinton..."

Well, pretty apparent it wasn't done properly the first time around, so, yes, it'll have to be revisited.

It may turn out to be the same result, or it may not. We'll have to see what additional the facts, decisions and actions are from this.
 
Casper said:
Not exactly what was done, but I am sure you believe it was.

I was referring to a Pardon for trump by Pence or Ryan, trump cannot pardon himself. Hillary is not going to the gallows for anything related to this inquiry, just wishful thinking on your part.
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We can only dream of Hillary kicking and swinging at the end of a rope with that loathsome shrieking voice silenced for good. Even Billy would be havibg a chuckle at finally being done with the harridan.

I think the constitution does not prohibit a president from pardoning anyone including himself by a strict reading of the Constitution. He can't pardon himself for impeachable offenses but impeachment is only a political judgement that carries no criminal penalties.

The chances of Trump being removed from office are nil. It would take every Senate communist (Democrats and Independents) plus 18 Republicans to do it - My dream is far more realistic than yours.
 
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SirGareth said:
We can only dream of Hillary kicking and the end of a rope with that loathsome shrieking voice silenced for good.

I think the constitution does not prohibit a president from pardoning anyone including himself by a strict reading of the Constitution. He cant pardon himself for impeachable offenses but impeachment is only a political judgement that carries no criminal penalties.

The chances of Trump being removed from office are nil. It would take every communist (Democrats and Independents) plus 18 Republicans to do it - My dream is far more realistic than yours.
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Well your kind would have to charge Hillary with something.....Why don't they do it?.....Instead we have a bunch of angry white people running their mouth with Bull**** threats...Do it!...Do it Now!
 
eohrnberger said:
"Shamed FBI reopens the case against Hillary Clinton..."

Well, pretty apparent it wasn't done properly the first time around, so, yes, it'll have to be revisited.

It may turn out to be the same result, or it may not. We'll have to see what additional the facts, decisions and actions are from this.
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I just listened to an interview with John Solomon, journalist for the Hill. He says the latest information discovered on the Clinton Foundation, the handling of the Clinton Email/Server investigation and Uranium One is alarming and proves these stories are far from being debunked. He says at the same time the hyperbole thrown at Trump over Russia is unraveling.

He also stated there are more names to come out who had partisan motives within the FBI and DOJ. These are going to be new names, not Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr and his wife Nellie. He also stated he has seen some really aggressive evidence from the IG Horowitz's investigation. He said he viewed raw emails of an FBI agent yet to be identified that shows a clear partisan lean for Clinton. He also stated he thinks IG Horowitz's report is going to be one of the biggest stories of 2018 and the very biggest story will be the investigation that has been ongoing into Clinton Foundation from the FBI office in Little Rock.

So you may want to check the Hill for John Solomon's next article in the coming week.
 
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