Thread: Why George Papadopoulos' guilty plea is a much bigger problem for Trump than the Manafort indictment

Originally Posted by pillars

That's really funny, because he was one of Trump's foreign policy advisers.

I could not cut and paste the pic I did see earlier. Trump and this low level advisor sitting at a table together, so how low a level employee was this guy, by tomorrow Trump will be tweeting Popadopolous was the janitor. No offense to janitors, an honorable profession, unlike a Trump Campaign Advisor.

Originally Posted by yankintx

I just have seen a report on CNN, Papadapolous turned over emails from Gates to Manafort which directly implicates an attempt at collusion between the Russian Gov and the Trump campaign. Trump really wanted those emails and this is contrary to what Trump has been claiming for months. The only thing fake here is Trumps integrity. First it was fake news, then it was a witch hunt, now its "oh he was a low level advisor". Do you Trumpsters not see the narrative changing as the story develops, one does not need an anvil to fall all their head to see what is going on here. Trumps team WANTED to sell us out for a win, and your too busy on the Hilldog hate train to see were the actual issue lies.

What you're reciting is the phenomenon that has surprised me for months. People on this forum and in r/l continue to claim there's nothing behind the allegations despite all the lying done about it by Trump and his cronies. When I bring this up, I still get the responses, "no one lied (like Sessons, Don Jr., etc.. ).

It's a tribal thing. Trump supporters cannot heed any stark evidence that Trump and his crowd are dirty.

Originally Posted by Chomsky

That's a great line!

Yep, and the NSA has probably listened in on the telephone conversations and read the emails, and then they tipped off the FBI on those conversations, so the FBI already knows what's going on and what the answers should be to their questions they are asking.

Originally Posted by yankintx

I could not cut and paste the pic I did see earlier. Trump and this low level advisor sitting at a table together, so how low a level employee was this guy, by tomorrow Trump will be tweeting Popadopolous was the janitor. No offense to janitors, an honorable profession, unlike a Trump Campaign Advisor.

Well, then Trump likes his janitor in National Security meetings!



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Originally Posted by <alt>doxygen

Call it what you want, my mom would call that lying. I realize there are different laws depending on your station in society, but words have definitions which don't change that fast.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ssia/98643620/

Nicely phrased.

Originally Posted by HowardBThiname

Papadopolous should not have lied. From the plea document, it doesn't look as if he broke any laws -- except for lying about his connections with Russian associates, which is, of course, completely legal.

Lying to the fbi is a crime.

Originally Posted by yankintx

I could not cut and paste the pic I did see earlier. Trump and this low level advisor sitting at a table together, so how low a level employee was this guy, by tomorrow Trump will be tweeting Popadopolous was the janitor. No offense to janitors, an honorable profession, unlike a Trump Campaign Advisor.

Here you go. I believe he's 4th from the left, in front.

Originally Posted by HowardBThiname

Papadopolous should not have lied. From the plea document, it doesn't look as if he broke any laws -- except for lying about his connections with Russian associates, which is, of course, completely legal.

And bill Clinton got a blowjob which isn’t illegal either, but it was lying that got him in leagal troubles.

Originally Posted by HowardBThiname

Papadopolous should not have lied. From the plea document, it doesn't look as if he broke any laws -- except for lying about his connections with Russian associates, which is, of course, completely legal.

You don't seem to understand how a negotiated plea arrangement works. Prosecutor tells the suspect that they have evidence to charge them with a more serious offense, but "I can cut you a deal for a lesser charge if you cooperate as a witness in our case against Suspect A for (insert serious charge)."

What you're seeing is the charge AFTER the plea has been negotiated, not what it was negotiated down from. And since Papadopoulos was arrested in July, Team Mueller had from July - October to negotiate with Papadopoulos and his attorney, and for Papadopoulos to deliver the goods in exchange for the reduction in charges.

By announcing that Papadopoulos has already pled guilty to this lesser charge, Mueller is firing a shot across the bow of the U.S.S. Trumptanic and letting Team Trump know he has the goods on them.

You may not know what this means, but I guarantee that the defense attorneys involved with Team Trump know what it means.