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If the President lies...

MTAtech said:
I do not doubt that Trump "gave it everything he had." It's just that he has no skill, knowledge or ambition to learn in these areas, just like we said. His Admin is cannibalizing itself. He promised to hire the best people. Does anyone thing these are the best people? He framed himself as the master negotiator. He doesn't seem to be able to negotiate with allies, not to mention foes.

The truth is that everything we see today was known during the campaign but supporters were willfully blind. I watched him give vague speeches and now see the same thing after elected. He seems like a kid giving a book report on a book he hasn't read. Bluffing is what got him this far and he can't bluff his way any longer.

You are right, it isn't his fault -- it's the voters' fault.
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Trump was more than just about anyone else in my lifetime exactly what he sold himself as, which is why his support has stayed so high in spite of a relentless year long attack by almost the entire Elite Class, using all means at their disposal, because the ends always justify the means with these assholes. .

The Elite Class will get their man, the corruption of America is way too pervasive for them to fail, but it should scare you what a tough row to hoe this is proving to be.

EDIT: This is why:
At any rate, if I had to guess, I'd say we're in for a rather bitter fight for supremacy over the Democratic Party between big money elites on one side and Sanders Democrats on the other. But for actual individuals like Harris, it's worth considering the extremely weakened state of the party elite compared to 2013. Clinton's defeat completely shattered the elite's reputation for competence, and they will have a much harder time beating back a left-wing challenger in 2020. Even on purely tactical grounds, it probably makes more sense to permanently throw one's lot in with the left
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Why leftists don't trust Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, and Deval Patrick

Course if we were half as smart as we think we are we would have figured this out at least a decade earlier.
 
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Grand Mal said:
Does it matter?

If the President Lies, Does It Matter? | National Review

The National Review (that far-left progressive tabloid) seems to have tossed in the towel and just accepted that Trump's gonna lie. But even they sound like it might be still hard to swallow...

"Okay. But one more question: Would we be so tolerant of the lying, or the bullsh**ting, if a liberal Democrat were in office? When Trump tells one of these whoppers, a lot of us yawn, I think. A “new normal” can become a regular old normal very quickly. But maybe yawning is not in order."

Read more at: If the President Lies, Does It Matter? | National Review
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We've come a long way from "read my lips" being enough to put a trustworthy man like Clinton into the Oval Office.
 
haymarket said:
So the new normal is a serial liar as president who can daily say crap that is well known to be nonsense but is now is suppose to roll off our collective outrage like water on a ducks back because he is a pathological liar with serious self control problems and an ego larger than the Grand Canyon?

No thank you.

They day we accept that is the day we lose the nation.
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When we discuss lies, we should probably try to distinguish between insubstantial and dangerous ones. If someone says he will make Mexico pay for an alegorica wall it shouldn't be as badly treated as people that tell you that peace can be maintained without violence or that public debt is fine to pay for social programmes.
 
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joG said:
When we discuss lies, we should probably try to distinguish between insubstantial and dangerous ones. If someone says he will make Mexico pay for an alegorica wall it shouldn't be as badly treated as people that tell you that peace can be maintained without violence or that public debt is fine to pay for social programmes.
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Like dangerous ones being that nobody on Trumps campaign colluded or met with Russians?
 
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