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    Re: If the President lies...

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    ...... exposed.
    The only thing exposed is your habit of dodging questions.
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    Re: If the President lies...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    The only thing exposed is your habit of dodging questions.
    actually your habit of repetition of previously answered questions is what has been exposed.
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    Re: If the President lies...

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    I don't understand that second sentence.

    In any case, there is ample evidence that Trump has reneged on his campaign promises. He said that he had a health care plan that 'was better, cheaper, covered more people, etc., than Obamacare.' Yet he never released such a plan and instead backed the GOP House and Senate plans that do exactly the opposite and takes away coverage from the very rural voters that put him in office.

    He said he was going to bring back coal and manufacturing jobs. There aren't any significant gains in either area -- nor any policy or proposals on the matter. While total employment is up, it's not any more up than under Obama and there aren't any significant economic plans that have been released. All 45 has done is presume that gutting environmental regulations via EO will help employment, which is total nonsense.

    Trump promised he would work with Congress to introduce for passage in the first 100 days the American Energy and Infrastructure Act. Yet, Trump hasn't released his long-promoted infrastructure plan, nor even endorsed any legislation in Congress.

    You can trust him with your life but I think that would be a fatal mistake.
    Trump can not lead without followers, and he did not have enough followers to consolidate power in the R party which he was trying to take over, so now he will be impeached and cant get much done...that is the first thing....and he is not to blame for that, he gave it everything he had, we the people did not....we failed Trump.

    Secondly as I have said over and over nobody who understands the first damn thing about Trump pays attention to more than one out of ten words he says...to understand trump one listens to him as if he were a woman, it is not the literal meaning of the words that matters, it is his attitude that does, it is what he does that does, and we know from experience that he is incredibly emotionally honest....."SEE SEE SEE TRUMP LIED TO YOU!" gets you no place, because in that you betray your lack of understanding of Trump, as well as a lack of understanding of why I like him.
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    Re: If the President lies...

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    actually your habit of repetition of previously answered questions is what has been exposed.
    Non-answers are your stock in trade.

    Don't like being called on it?

    Try actually and truthfully answering questions.
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    Re: If the President lies...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Trump can not lead without followers, and he did not have enough followers to consolidate power in the R party which he was trying to take over, so now he will be impeached and cant get much done...that is the first thing....and he is not to blame for that, he gave it everything he had, we the people did not....we failed Trump.

    Secondly as I have said over and over nobody who understands the first damn thing about Trump pays attention to more than one out of ten words he says...to understand trump one listens to him as if he were a woman, it is not the literal meaning of the words that matters, it is his attitude that does, it is what he does that does, and we know from experience that he is incredibly emotionally honest....."SEE SEE SEE TRUMP LIED TO YOU!" gets you no place, because in that you betray your lack of understanding of Trump, as well as a lack of understanding of why I like him.
    I do not doubt that Trump "gave it everything he had." It's just that he has no skill, knowledge or ambition to learn in these areas, just like we said. His Admin is cannibalizing itself. He promised to hire the best people. Does anyone thing these are the best people? He framed himself as the master negotiator. He doesn't seem to be able to negotiate with allies, not to mention foes.

    The truth is that everything we see today was known during the campaign but supporters were willfully blind. I watched him give vague speeches and now see the same thing after elected. He seems like a kid giving a book report on a book he hasn't read. Bluffing is what got him this far and he can't bluff his way any longer.

    You are right, it isn't his fault -- it's the voters' fault.
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    Re: If the President lies...

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    I do not doubt that Trump "gave it everything he had." It's just that he has no skill, knowledge or ambition to learn in these areas, just like we said. His Admin is cannibalizing itself. He promised to hire the best people. Does anyone thing these are the best people? He framed himself as the master negotiator. He doesn't seem to be able to negotiate with allies, not to mention foes.

    The truth is that everything we see today was known during the campaign but supporters were willfully blind. I watched him give vague speeches and now see the same thing after elected. He seems like a kid giving a book report on a book he hasn't read. Bluffing is what got him this far and he can't bluff his way any longer.

    You are right, it isn't his fault -- it's the voters' fault.
    Trump was more than just about anyone else in my lifetime exactly what he sold himself as, which is why his support has stayed so high in spite of a relentless year long attack by almost the entire Elite Class, using all means at their disposal, because the ends always justify the means with these assholes. .

    The Elite Class will get their man, the corruption of America is way too pervasive for them to fail, but it should scare you what a tough row to hoe this is proving to be.

    EDIT: This is why:
    At any rate, if I had to guess, I'd say we're in for a rather bitter fight for supremacy over the Democratic Party between big money elites on one side and Sanders Democrats on the other. But for actual individuals like Harris, it's worth considering the extremely weakened state of the party elite compared to 2013. Clinton's defeat completely shattered the elite's reputation for competence, and they will have a much harder time beating back a left-wing challenger in 2020. Even on purely tactical grounds, it probably makes more sense to permanently throw one's lot in with the left
    Why leftists don't trust Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, and Deval Patrick

    Course if we were half as smart as we think we are we would have figured this out at least a decade earlier.
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    Re: If the President lies...

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Does it matter?

    If the President Lies, Does It Matter? | National Review

    The National Review (that far-left progressive tabloid) seems to have tossed in the towel and just accepted that Trump's gonna lie. But even they sound like it might be still hard to swallow...

    "Okay. But one more question: Would we be so tolerant of the lying, or the bullsh**ting, if a liberal Democrat were in office? When Trump tells one of these whoppers, a lot of us yawn, I think. A “new normal” can become a regular old normal very quickly. But maybe yawning is not in order."

    Read more at: If the President Lies, Does It Matter? | National Review
    We've come a long way from "read my lips" being enough to put a trustworthy man like Clinton into the Oval Office.

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    Re: If the President lies...

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So the new normal is a serial liar as president who can daily say crap that is well known to be nonsense but is now is suppose to roll off our collective outrage like water on a ducks back because he is a pathological liar with serious self control problems and an ego larger than the Grand Canyon?

    No thank you.

    They day we accept that is the day we lose the nation.
    When we discuss lies, we should probably try to distinguish between insubstantial and dangerous ones. If someone says he will make Mexico pay for an alegorica wall it shouldn't be as badly treated as people that tell you that peace can be maintained without violence or that public debt is fine to pay for social programmes.

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    Re: If the President lies...

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    When we discuss lies, we should probably try to distinguish between insubstantial and dangerous ones. If someone says he will make Mexico pay for an alegorica wall it shouldn't be as badly treated as people that tell you that peace can be maintained without violence or that public debt is fine to pay for social programmes.
    Like dangerous ones being that nobody on Trumps campaign colluded or met with Russians?
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