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If the President lies...

No, I dont think so.

BTW you might have noticed that Obama came off that whole "Preventative medicine will save us money" jazz along the trail when a big study came out showing that once we give people "insurance" for preventative medicine that they line up for so much medical care consumption that there is no seeing this so called savings for good healthcare.....the bills are bigger as far as the eye can see, because people want, and they want more when billions or tens of billions of dollars a year (Or is it HUNDREDS of BILLIONS? Who knows?) are spent on direct advertising in 1984 fashion directing people to "services" and in "free samples" to get people hooked.

Plus people pointed out that that's was what HMO's were supposed to be all about in the 1980's, and that sure did not work.

I remember those HMO's They were so restrictive that they were useless. Preventive medicine does work. It's why Europeans are healthier than we are and live longer and have a lower infant mortality rate.
 
You need to rethink this WE ARE STUPID/WE ARE WEAK thing. Nobody ever got anywhere by shouting and scolding. Your mother should have told you that.
 
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I remember those HMO's They were so restrictive that they were useless. Preventive medicine does work. It's why Europeans are healthier than we are and live longer and have a lower infant mortality rate.

They spent something like 13% of the money they were given trying to come up with excuses for not allowing us care...AKA rationing care....but see we are not going to hear about rationing care and they did it in such a blockhead and also expensive way that we decided that their interests were not our interests.

That's the way I recall anyways, might be slightly off in the tone.

"THE HMO KILLED MY BABY(AKA DEAR ONE)!"
worked fast of course.

This is Victim Culture after all.
 
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The HMO Act was Nixon's deal.
 
So the new normal is a serial liar as president who can daily say crap that is well known to be nonsense but is now is suppose to roll off our collective outrage like water on a ducks back because he is a pathological liar with serious self control problems and an ego larger than the Grand Canyon?

No thank you.

They day we accept that is the day we lose the nation.

Why do you say a "new normal"?

Presidents have been lying for decades on both sidea of the aisle.
 
Does it matter?

If the President Lies, Does It Matter? | National Review

The National Review (that far-left progressive tabloid) seems to have tossed in the towel and just accepted that Trump's gonna lie. But even they sound like it might be still hard to swallow...

"Okay. But one more question: Would we be so tolerant of the lying, or the bullsh**ting, if a liberal Democrat were in office? When Trump tells one of these whoppers, a lot of us yawn, I think. A “new normal” can become a regular old normal very quickly. But maybe yawning is not in order."

Read more at: If the President Lies, Does It Matter? | National Review

i didn't see all the outrage at all the obama lies so evidently lies don't matter.
all presidents lie.
 
During the October crisis, Sorenson writes, JFK dispatched former Secretary of State Dean Acheson to show the CIA's surveillance photos of the Cuban missiles to French President Charles de Gaulle. I don't need to see pictures of the weapons of mass destruction, de Gaulle replied: "The word of the president of the United States is good enough for me." [link]
Can anyone imagine that trust in this president today?
 
Can anyone imagine that trust in this president today?

I would trust him with my life.

Same with lots of others, people the wanna-be deciders have decided Trump is screwing over yet who none the less support Trump to this day as we ever have.

We are said to be defectives.

DEPLORABLY





Maybe someone miscalculated some place or another...

Or maybe seven.
 
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You guys never batted an eye when Obama lied. So, really? And does it even count as a "lie" when it's a gross mischaracterization by leftist morons, of something the president said? You people have cried wolf so many times, I no longer believe ANYTHING the propaganda wing of the Democrat party says.
If you like your doctor, if you like your insurance provider.....
 
If you like your doctor, if you like your insurance provider.....

"I made an honest effort to work with people, to get this town working again(paraphrase)".

He could not even be bothered to work with Democrats most days, if they refused "listen to reason"

AKA do as Obama the Great told.

R's..... Forget about it.
 
You guys never batted an eye when Obama lied. So, really? And does it even count as a "lie" when it's a gross mischaracterization by leftist morons, of something the president said? You people have cried wolf so many times, I no longer believe ANYTHING the propaganda wing of the Democrat party says.

Is the National Review part of the "Democrat Propaganda Machine" now?
 
Is that like 'people have called me racist for so many things it no longer has any meaning'? Those positions seem similar.

Especially in that they're true

Say silly things enough times and people stop taking it the same
 
I would trust him with my life.

Same with lots of others, people the wanna-be deciders have decided Trump is screwing over yet who none the less support Trump to this day as we ever have.

We are said to be defectives.

DEPLORABLY





Maybe someone miscalculated some place or another...

Or maybe seven.
I don't understand that second sentence.

In any case, there is ample evidence that Trump has reneged on his campaign promises. He said that he had a health care plan that 'was better, cheaper, covered more people, etc., than Obamacare.' Yet he never released such a plan and instead backed the GOP House and Senate plans that do exactly the opposite and takes away coverage from the very rural voters that put him in office.

He said he was going to bring back coal and manufacturing jobs. There aren't any significant gains in either area -- nor any policy or proposals on the matter. While total employment is up, it's not any more up than under Obama and there aren't any significant economic plans that have been released. All 45 has done is presume that gutting environmental regulations via EO will help employment, which is total nonsense.

Trump promised he would work with Congress to introduce for passage in the first 100 days the American Energy and Infrastructure Act. Yet, Trump hasn't released his long-promoted infrastructure plan, nor even endorsed any legislation in Congress.

You can trust him with your life but I think that would be a fatal mistake.
 
The only thing exposed is your habit of dodging questions.

actually your habit of repetition of previously answered questions is what has been exposed.
 
I don't understand that second sentence.

In any case, there is ample evidence that Trump has reneged on his campaign promises. He said that he had a health care plan that 'was better, cheaper, covered more people, etc., than Obamacare.' Yet he never released such a plan and instead backed the GOP House and Senate plans that do exactly the opposite and takes away coverage from the very rural voters that put him in office.

He said he was going to bring back coal and manufacturing jobs. There aren't any significant gains in either area -- nor any policy or proposals on the matter. While total employment is up, it's not any more up than under Obama and there aren't any significant economic plans that have been released. All 45 has done is presume that gutting environmental regulations via EO will help employment, which is total nonsense.

Trump promised he would work with Congress to introduce for passage in the first 100 days the American Energy and Infrastructure Act. Yet, Trump hasn't released his long-promoted infrastructure plan, nor even endorsed any legislation in Congress.

You can trust him with your life but I think that would be a fatal mistake.

Trump can not lead without followers, and he did not have enough followers to consolidate power in the R party which he was trying to take over, so now he will be impeached and cant get much done...that is the first thing....and he is not to blame for that, he gave it everything he had, we the people did not....we failed Trump.

Secondly as I have said over and over nobody who understands the first damn thing about Trump pays attention to more than one out of ten words he says...to understand trump one listens to him as if he were a woman, it is not the literal meaning of the words that matters, it is his attitude that does, it is what he does that does, and we know from experience that he is incredibly emotionally honest....."SEE SEE SEE TRUMP LIED TO YOU!" gets you no place, because in that you betray your lack of understanding of Trump, as well as a lack of understanding of why I like him.
 
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Trump can not lead without followers, and he did not have enough followers to consolidate power in the R party which he was trying to take over, so now he will be impeached and cant get much done...that is the first thing....and he is not to blame for that, he gave it everything he had, we the people did not....we failed Trump.

Secondly as I have said over and over nobody who understands the first damn thing about Trump pays attention to more than one out of ten words he says...to understand trump one listens to him as if he were a woman, it is not the literal meaning of the words that matters, it is his attitude that does, it is what he does that does, and we know from experience that he is incredibly emotionally honest....."SEE SEE SEE TRUMP LIED TO YOU!" gets you no place, because in that you betray your lack of understanding of Trump, as well as a lack of understanding of why I like him.
I do not doubt that Trump "gave it everything he had." It's just that he has no skill, knowledge or ambition to learn in these areas, just like we said. His Admin is cannibalizing itself. He promised to hire the best people. Does anyone thing these are the best people? He framed himself as the master negotiator. He doesn't seem to be able to negotiate with allies, not to mention foes.

The truth is that everything we see today was known during the campaign but supporters were willfully blind. I watched him give vague speeches and now see the same thing after elected. He seems like a kid giving a book report on a book he hasn't read. Bluffing is what got him this far and he can't bluff his way any longer.

You are right, it isn't his fault -- it's the voters' fault.
 
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