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Yes, President Trump, ‘I Hope’ Can Be Basis for Obstruction of Justice Charge[W:68]

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Yes, President Trump, ‘I Hope’ Can Be Basis for Obstruction of Justice Charge

During former FBI Director James Comey’s testimony before Congress, he said that he is “sure” President Trump is being probed for obstruction of justice by newly appointed special counsel Robert Mueller. Many legal experts have weighed in on how hard an obstruction case would be against the President based on what we know so far. Those coming to Trump’s defense claim that his alleged comments to Comey about former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn don’t reach the standard required for an obstruction charge. Trump allegedly said in reference to the investigation of Flynn, “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

Lots of ways in which "I hope" can convey a threat. "Nice store you have here. I hope nobody burns it down."

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Re: Yes, President Trump, ‘I Hope’ Can Be Basis for Obstruction of Justice Charge

poweRob said:
Yes, President Trump, ‘I Hope’ Can Be Basis for Obstruction of Justice Charge

During former FBI Director James Comey’s testimony before Congress, he said that he is “sure” President Trump is being probed for obstruction of justice by newly appointed special counsel Robert Mueller. Many legal experts have weighed in on how hard an obstruction case would be against the President based on what we know so far. Those coming to Trump’s defense claim that his alleged comments to Comey about former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn don’t reach the standard required for an obstruction charge. Trump allegedly said in reference to the investigation of Flynn, “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

Lots of ways in which "I hope" can convey a threat. "Nice store you have here. I hope nobody burns it down."

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Look, kids, proof amateurs should not try to interpret law because they usually can't find context with both hands and a roadmap.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Look, kids, proof amateurs should not try to interpret law because they usually can't find context with both hands and a roadmap.
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Keep crying. The last thing any right winger should ever do due to their lack of credibility, is bitch about anyone else not understanding "context". :lol:
 
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poweRob said:
Keep crying. The last thing any right winger should ever do due to their lack of credibility, is bitch about anyone else not understanding "context". :lol:
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I'm not crying, I'm laughing. You don't know that case, you believe the article instead of looking at the case having two data points regarding obstruction. You aren't cut out to be an amateur lawyer, you don't have the objectivity.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
I'm not crying, I'm laughing. You don't know that case, you believe the article instead of looking at the case having two data points regarding obstruction. You aren't cut out to be an amateur lawyer, you don't have the objectivity.
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There you go. Get mad at me. Make me the topic.

 
Re: Yes, President Trump, ‘I Hope’ Can Be Basis for Obstruction of Justice Charge

poweRob said:
There you go. Get mad at me. Make me the topic.
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Quite simply your article is basing its case on Trump's speech versus two data point entreating for obstruction. Corroboration is built into the story you posted, it is not in the case of Trump.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Quite simply your article is basing its case on Trump's speech versus two data point entreating for obstruction. Corroboration is built into the story you posted, it is not in the case of Trump.
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Then perhaps we should consult the tapes that trump threatened Comey with. Doncha think?
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Quite simply your article is basing its case on Trump's speech versus two data point entreating for obstruction. Corroboration is built into the story you posted, it is not in the case of Trump.
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Beyond that the "obstruction" in the OP's article was an aggravating factor, not the crime itself.
 
Re: Yes, President Trump, ‘I Hope’ Can Be Basis for Obstruction of Justice Charge

There is what Trump did and there what can legally be proven he did.

I think it is fair to say it would be difficult to legally prove obstruction of justice.

But to the Trump supporters who say they don't believe Trump was trying to pressure Comey into dropping the case, I do not believe you. You know good and well what Trump was trying to do. Just as we KNOW Hillary kept that private server to get around FOIA requirements. You have to be the most partisan of partisans to not admit you believe that.

It isn't good enough for a court of law but it is good enough to base a personal opinion on.
 
Re: Yes, President Trump, ‘I Hope’ Can Be Basis for Obstruction of Justice Charge

Hmmm...from your own citation:

...if indeed it was said in a threatening manner, this could be interpreted as at least an attempt to obstruct justice. 18 USC Section 1503 says: whoever...corruptly or by threats of force, or by any threatening letter or communication...
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Yes, President Trump, ?I Hope? Can Be Basis for Obstruction of Justice Charge | Law News

The requirement is corruptly or threateningly, not simply "endeavoring to impede;" i.e. there must be either a threat with intent to impede, or act knowingly and dishonestly with specific intent to undermine the integrity of something.

In the Macdonald case quoted from your article:

I hope and pray to God you did not say anything about a weapon when you were in Iowa. Because it will make it worse on me and you even if they promised you not to prosecute you that’s not always true I would hate to see you go to jail…
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The issue of obstruction was one of a perpetrator urging another perpetrator not to testify about a fact of crime they were aware of because it would hurt both of them. He was clearly and with intent trying to hide evidence of a known crime.

United States v. Collin McDonald, No. 07-2601 (8th Cir. 2008) :: Justia

The other example cited, U.S. v. Bedoy 827 F.3D 495 (2016) was a Fifth Circuit Court decision and in that case the defendant had lied to the investigators directly with intent to impede the investigation into his own wrongdoing.

http://www.leagle.com/decision/In FCO 20160630191/U.S. v. BEDOY

Mr. Trump did none of this. He merely opined to Comey (if true) that he hoped the issue of Flynn could be let go (dropped) because Flynn was a "good guy."

While Comey may have taken it as an order, there is only his statement to that effect, and he admits he took no action to let the President know how he took this and declare honestly and directly it was inappropriate and he would not do so.

That he feared to do so...what man of integrity "fears" telling the truth?
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Look, kids, proof amateurs should not try to interpret law because they usually can't find context with both hands and a roadmap.
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Many lawyers aren't worth a **** either.
 
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poweRob said:
Then perhaps we should consult the tapes that trump threatened Comey with. Doncha think?
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Most stupid Tweet ever. Moron.
 
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poweRob said:
Yes, President Trump, ‘I Hope’ Can Be Basis for Obstruction of Justice Charge

During former FBI Director James Comey’s testimony before Congress, he said that he is “sure” President Trump is being probed for obstruction of justice by newly appointed special counsel Robert Mueller. Many legal experts have weighed in on how hard an obstruction case would be against the President based on what we know so far. Those coming to Trump’s defense claim that his alleged comments to Comey about former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn don’t reach the standard required for an obstruction charge. Trump allegedly said in reference to the investigation of Flynn, “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

Lots of ways in which "I hope" can convey a threat. "Nice store you have here. I hope nobody burns it down."

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Excon said:
Besides Comey being caught lying, he admitted that hoping has never lead to a prosecution.

Nor could it in this case.

Comey confirmed that under our Constitution, the president has the authority to direct the FBI to stop investigating any individual. I paraphrase, because the transcript is not yet available: the president can, in theory, decide who to investigate, who to stop investigating, who to prosecute and who not to prosecute. The president is the head of the unified executive branch of government, and the Justice Department and the FBI work under him and he may order them to do what he wishes.


Dershowitz: Comey confirms that I'm right - and all the Democratic commentators are wrong

By Alan Dershowitz
Published June 08, 2017
Fox News

In his testimony former FBI director James Comey echoed a view that I alone have been expressing for several weeks, and that has been attacked by nearly every Democratic pundit.

Comey confirmed that under our Constitution, the president has the authority to direct the FBI to stop investigating any individual. I paraphrase, because the transcript is not yet available: the president can, in theory, decide who to investigate, who to stop investigating, who to prosecute and who not to prosecute. The president is the head of the unified executive branch of government, and the Justice Department and the FBI work under him and he may order them to do what he wishes.

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Dershowitz: Comey confirms that I'm right - and all the Democratic commentators are wrong​
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Exactly. :applaud

I've posted this very thing earlier in the Forum. No one on the Alt-Left rant-mobile believed me.

Comey also confirmed in his testimony that he was never directly instructed to cease investigating anyone.

The closest he came was the "hope" comment.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Exactly. :applaud

I've posted this very thing earlier in the Forum. No one on the Alt-Left rant-mobile believed me.
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Their motivation?
Bias.
Unadulterated bias.
 
Re: Yes, President Trump, ‘I Hope’ Can Be Basis for Obstruction of Justice Charge

poweRob said:
Yes, President Trump, ‘I Hope’ Can Be Basis for Obstruction of Justice Charge

During former FBI Director James Comey’s testimony before Congress, he said that he is “sure” President Trump is being probed for obstruction of justice by newly appointed special counsel Robert Mueller. Many legal experts have weighed in on how hard an obstruction case would be against the President based on what we know so far. Those coming to Trump’s defense claim that his alleged comments to Comey about former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn don’t reach the standard required for an obstruction charge. Trump allegedly said in reference to the investigation of Flynn, “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

Lots of ways in which "I hope" can convey a threat. "Nice store you have here. I hope nobody burns it down."

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The Special Counsel will look at it. And that is all that will happen. So far that is the only thread of hope you have to hang on to. No doubt the democrats will get some half wit House member with a safe seat to put in an "Article of Impeachment" and it will be voted on and fail.

Maybe the SP will prosecute Comey for leaking FBI information to the media. In spite of what MSNBC is telling you These notes Comey is talking about we're taken while he was director during normal duties and is his work product which is the property of the US Government and subject to discovery.
 
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...it's like this obstruction thing is a giant hamster wheel, and they just can't help jumping on to see where it will take them. :lol:
 
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poweRob said:
Then perhaps we should consult the tapes that trump threatened Comey with. Doncha think?
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Sure, if they exist, I have no problem with that. You seem to be forgetting I am pro transparency unless it risks lives.
 
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SMTA said:
Many lawyers aren't worth a **** either.
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Look at Capt Obvious! :2wave: A thought a lot of America shares, I'm sure.
 
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Skeptic Bob said:
There is what Trump did and there what can legally be proven he did.

I think it is fair to say it would be difficult to legally prove obstruction of justice.

But to the Trump supporters who say they don't believe Trump was trying to pressure Comey into dropping the case, I do not believe you. You know good and well what Trump was trying to do. Just as we KNOW Hillary kept that private server to get around FOIA requirements. You have to be the most partisan of partisans to not admit you believe that.

It isn't good enough for a court of law but it is good enough to base a personal opinion on.
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At the end of the day your belief that President Trump broke the law is just opinion.
 
Re: Yes, President Trump, ‘I Hope’ Can Be Basis for Obstruction of Justice Charge

Excon said:
Besides Comey being caught lying, he admitted that hoping has never lead to a prosecution.

Nor could it in this case.


Dershowitz: Comey confirms that I'm right - and all the Democratic commentators are wrong

By Alan Dershowitz
Published June 08, 2017
Fox News

In his testimony former FBI director James Comey echoed a view that I alone have been expressing for several weeks, and that has been attacked by nearly every Democratic pundit.

Comey confirmed that under our Constitution, the president has the authority to direct the FBI to stop investigating any individual. I paraphrase, because the transcript is not yet available: the president can, in theory, decide who to investigate, who to stop investigating, who to prosecute and who not to prosecute.
The president is the head of the unified executive branch of government, and the Justice Department and the FBI work under him and he may order them to do what he wishes.
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Dershowitz: Comey confirms that I'm right - and all the Democratic commentators are wrong​
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And if he screws up bad enough he'll be out of the White House.

What happened to Nixon?
 
Re: Yes, President Trump, ‘I Hope’ Can Be Basis for Obstruction of Justice Charge

I remember back in the 90s with the Lewinsky affair / scandal, Republicans were arguing that because Clinton was the president, she could not have really consented because if the president asks you to do something, its an order.

Oh how times have changed...
 
Re: Yes, President Trump, ‘I Hope’ Can Be Basis for Obstruction of Justice Charge

poweRob said:
Yes, President Trump, ‘I Hope’ Can Be Basis for Obstruction of Justice Charge

During former FBI Director James Comey’s testimony before Congress, he said that he is “sure” President Trump is being probed for obstruction of justice by newly appointed special counsel Robert Mueller. Many legal experts have weighed in on how hard an obstruction case would be against the President based on what we know so far. Those coming to Trump’s defense claim that his alleged comments to Comey about former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn don’t reach the standard required for an obstruction charge. Trump allegedly said in reference to the investigation of Flynn, “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

Lots of ways in which "I hope" can convey a threat. "Nice store you have here. I hope nobody burns it down."

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You are aware, I assume, that the President has the power to decide who should and who should not be investigated or prosecuted by the Justice department. He has the power to demand that the FBI drop an investigation. He has the power to fire the director of the FBI for no other reason than that he disobeyed. He has the power to pardon someone in order to make an investigation moot. These things are inappropriate, not obstruction of justice. Sorry. There was no obstruction of justice even if Comey had said that the President ordered him to drop the investigation. In fact he said that in effect. It simply doesn't matter to anything other than Trump's reputation. So go after Trump's reputation as you usually do. You won't get anywhere with this.
 
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apdst said:
At the end of the day your belief that President Trump broke the law is just opinion.
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Yep. Which is why I said that exact thing in the part you bolded.
 
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Skeptic Bob said:
Yep. Which is why I said that exact thing in the part you bolded.
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But, yoi made this statement of fact earlier in the post.

You know good and well what Trump was trying to do.
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