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Yes, President Trump, ‘I Hope’ Can Be Basis for Obstruction of Justice Charge[W:68]

Re: Yes, President Trump, ‘I Hope’ Can Be Basis for Obstruction of Justice Charge

poweRob said:
Yes, President Trump, ‘I Hope’ Can Be Basis for Obstruction of Justice Charge

During former FBI Director James Comey’s testimony before Congress, he said that he is “sure” President Trump is being probed for obstruction of justice by newly appointed special counsel Robert Mueller. Many legal experts have weighed in on how hard an obstruction case would be against the President based on what we know so far. Those coming to Trump’s defense claim that his alleged comments to Comey about former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn don’t reach the standard required for an obstruction charge. Trump allegedly said in reference to the investigation of Flynn, “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

Lots of ways in which "I hope" can convey a threat. "Nice store you have here. I hope nobody burns it down."

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yeah good luck with that one!



BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!


seriously, comey's testimony was worse for your side than the pro-trump side.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
I remember back in the 90s with the Lewinsky affair / scandal, Republicans were arguing that because Clinton was the president, she could not have really consented because if the president asks you to do something, its an order.

Oh how times have changed...
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If President Trump indeed obstructed justice, then why didn't fulfill his legal responsibility and report it?
 
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poweRob said:
During former FBI Director James Comey’s testimony before Congress, he said that he is “sure” President Trump is being probed for obstruction of justice by newly appointed special counsel Robert Mueller. Many legal experts have weighed in on how hard an obstruction case would be against the President based on what we know so far. Those coming to Trump’s defense claim that his alleged comments to Comey about former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn don’t reach the standard required for an obstruction charge. Trump allegedly said in reference to the investigation of Flynn, “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”
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it's over give it up. he isn't going to be charged with obstruction because no obstruction happened.
TDS is going to be out of control at this point but I figured on that.
 
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poweRob said:
There you go. Get mad at me. Make me the topic.

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you 100% miss the irony of your post.
 
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Impeachment...

HAHAHAHAHAHHA

This just about sums it up doesn't it? The left watching the Comey testimony, realizing it ain't gonna happen.
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Awww poor babies....
LAFF-a-minute
 
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fmw said:
You are aware, I assume, that the President has the power to decide who should and who should not be investigated or prosecuted by the Justice department. He has the power to demand that the FBI drop an investigation. He has the power to fire the director of the FBI for no other reason than that he disobeyed. He has the power to pardon someone in order to make an investigation moot. These things are inappropriate, not obstruction of justice. Sorry. There was no obstruction of justice even if Comey had said that the President ordered him to drop the investigation. In fact he said that in effect. It simply doesn't matter to anything other than Trump's reputation. So go after Trump's reputation as you usually do. You won't get anywhere with this.
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How'd that work out for Nixon?
 
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apdst said:
But, yoi made this statement of fact earlier in the post.
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Yes. In the same way I know good and well that OJ killed his wife. In the same way I know good and well that Hillary was using that private email server to get around FOIA requirements.

I'm using "know" in the common vernacular sense, not the philosophical sense. But if that distinction wasn't clear I apologize. Perhaps I should have just said "it is obvious".
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Sure, if they exist, I have no problem with that. You seem to be forgetting I am pro transparency unless it risks lives.
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Or risks the GOP it seems.
 
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Skeptic Bob said:
Yes. In the same way I know good and well that OJ killed his wife. In the same way I know good and well that Hillary was using that private email server to get around FOIA requirements.

I'm using "know" in the common vernacular sense, not the philosophical sense. But if that distinction wasn't clear I apologize. Perhaps I should have just said "it is obvious".
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That's the way I understood it and it's your opinion, because we don't know the full context.

President Trump may have said: "When the Flynn investigation is over, I hope you can let it go". The point is, we don't know what was said before and after, "I hope you can let it go".
 
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Paperview said:
How'd that work out for Nixon?
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Based on legal opinions of late, it makes one wonder if Nixon got railroaded.
 
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poweRob said:
Or risks the GOP it seems.
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Negative. You are assuming again. You should quit doing that.
 
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KLATTU said:
Impeachment...

HAHAHAHAHAHHA

This just about sums it up doesn't it? The left watching the Comey testimony, realizing it ain't gonna happen.
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I know, right? I see a lot of liquid remorse on those walls.

Doesn't quite reprise election night, only the announcement of names like Hill, Billy boy and Bery Insane are being investigated/going to trial might equal that...I see Koskinen and Lerner, Comey and Rice going down first with Huma, Brennan, Lynch, maybe Jarrett and Holder later...Weiner went down with hardly a muffle, fast and longer sentence than usual and he took it all in his ***, but not a peep [wonder why?]... then the big crowd pleasers named above... can't wait for those faces and tears.
 
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Paperview said:
How'd that work out for Nixon?
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That isn't what happened to Nixon. He covered up a crime.
 
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fmw said:
That isn't what happened to Nixon. He covered up a crime.
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The first two Articles of Nixon's impeachment:

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]ARTICLE I, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE


ARTICLE II, ABUSE OF POWER.

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Watergate Articles Of Impeachment

I'm not saying Trump will be impeached for this, but it would behoove you to acquaint yourself with the facts and read the text of the Articles.
 
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Skeptic Bob said:
There is what Trump did and there what can legally be proven he did.

I think it is fair to say it would be difficult to legally prove obstruction of justice.

But to the Trump supporters who say they don't believe Trump was trying to pressure Comey into dropping the case, I do not believe you. You know good and well what Trump was trying to do. Just as we KNOW Hillary kept that private server to get around FOIA requirements. You have to be the most partisan of partisans to not admit you believe that.

It isn't good enough for a court of law but it is good enough to base a personal opinion on.
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I am with you here. Trump has spent his entire life dealing with other business people that have an agenda just like he does. His arm twisting has already worked with government contractors since becoming President. Let's hope his arm twisting is as successful with Putin, China, North Korea, etc. More power to him. It is just business, not obstruction of justice in my lay opinion (and I do appreciate the real legal scholars in this DP OP). We are so used to listening to politicians trying to get reelected that I don't think most Americans have any idea what it is to run a country with a business perspective. Since politicians seem to screw it up repeatedly, I am looking forward to seeing how all of this plays out, if and when Trump is given the opportunity.
 
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shrubnose said:
And if he screws up bad enough he'll be out of the White House.

What happened to Nixon?
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iLOL
This is not what happened to Nixon.
 
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poweRob said:
Keep crying. The last thing any right winger should ever do due to their lack of credibility, is bitch about anyone else not understanding "context". [emoji38]
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And the last thing anyone on the left should do is argue intent after arguing deystroying records is not proof of it.

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Skeptic Bob said:
There is what Trump did and there what can legally be proven he did.

I think it is fair to say it would be difficult to legally prove obstruction of justice.

But to the Trump supporters who say they don't believe Trump was trying to pressure Comey into dropping the case, I do not believe you. You know good and well what Trump was trying to do. Just as we KNOW Hillary kept that private server to get around FOIA requirements. You have to be the most partisan of partisans to not admit you believe that.

It isn't good enough for a court of law but it is good enough to base a personal opinion on.
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If he did say that, im skeptical, but if so. While i would agree that it was him signaling to commey that he would like to see the investigation over. That of course does not imply any threat it only conveys trumps desire.

I have a hard time believing that the people who think he is a moron would believe he is clever enough to skirt the law with a symantical parsing of his words to give himself plausable deniability.

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chuckiechan said:
The Special Counsel will look at it. And that is all that will happen. So far that is the only thread of hope you have to hang on to. No doubt the democrats will get some half wit House member with a safe seat to put in an "Article of Impeachment" and it will be voted on and fail.

Maybe the SP will prosecute Comey for leaking FBI information to the media. In spite of what MSNBC is telling you These notes Comey is talking about we're taken while he was director during normal duties and is his work product which is the property of the US Government and subject to discovery.
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Thats a risky strategy your suggesting. While the congressman who puts impeachment on the table might be safe, if it goes to a vote, the other seats that are at risk will have to go on record. They are safer to make noise and generate bad PR for the right without actually executing any action. In fact i would go as far as suggesting if the dnc does not quiet down at the conclussion of the investigation it might be in the gops best interests to firce the vote themselves and make them all squirm by forcing them to go on record right before the midterms.

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OpportunityCost said:
Look at Capt Obvious! :2wave: A thought a lot of America shares, I'm sure.
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So why do we keep electing lawyers to congress?

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trouble13 said:
And the last thing anyone on the left should do is argue intent after arguing deystroying records is not proof of it.

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Yeah, here's the difference.... and its a pretty big one. If there were destroyed documents and wrong-doing on the left, I'd want them busted and taken down. The trump sycophants... they aren't that big into their own house-cleaning. They rather live in a cesspool of denial to protect their bubble.
 
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trouble13 said:
So why do we keep electing lawyers to congress?

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I am guessing because of the familiarity with laws supposedly gives them a better feel for how legislation should be worded and drafted, but I think that ship has sailed.
 
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poweRob said:
Yeah, here's the difference.... and its a pretty big one. If there were destroyed documents and wrong-doing on the left, I'd want them busted and taken down. The trump sycophants... they aren't that big into their own house-cleaning. They rather live in a cesspool of denial to protect their bubble.
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Whoa, wait, how did you feel about the Hillary email issue? I smell partisan hypocrisy.
 
Re: Yes, President Trump, ‘I Hope’ Can Be Basis for Obstruction of Justice Charge

poweRob said:
Yeah, here's the difference.... and its a pretty big one. If there were destroyed documents and wrong-doing on the left, I'd want them busted and taken down. The trump sycophants... they aren't that big into their own house-cleaning. They rather live in a cesspool of denial to protect their bubble.
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We know hilliary deystroyed emails and she was wrong for doing it. Its not a question of if, its fact. The defense revolved entirely around intent. Explain to me this big difference again?

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OpportunityCost said:
Whoa, wait, how did you feel about the Hillary email issue? I smell partisan hypocrisy.
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I feel if they investigate... and they did, and they find prosecutable criminal behavior, then they should prosecute. Apparently that hackery you smell is coming from within the bubble you live in.
 
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